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a must read by just retired foreign secretary and ex indian ambassador to china


China Doesn’t Want a New World Order. It Wants This One.

nytimes.com/2020/06/04/opinion/china-america-united-nations.html


Vijay Gokhale
June 4, 2020



China is in the midst of a fierce battle to salvage its reputation.
Under fire for their part in the pandemic and reproached for their move to assert control over Hong Kong, the country’s officials are in firefighting mode. Their approach has two parts. First, sell the China story — emphasizing its success in the fight against the coronavirus and glossing over its initial errors. Second, attack those who seek to tarnish the country’s image.
President Xi Jinping has left this battle to his subordinates. As the United States falters and the world spins into crisis, he has a bigger campaign to occupy him: taking over the international institutions, like the World Health Organization and the United Nations, that manage the world.
The plan bears a suitably benign and innocuous title — “Community With a Shared Future for Mankind.” First proposed by Mr. Xi in 2013 and introduced at the United Nations two years later, the concept revolves around the importance of consultation and dialogue, of inclusivity and consensus, of win-win cooperation and shared benefits. It is, in short, entirely vague. It contains no specific action points and no tangible outlines of a new world order.
That’s the point.
Contrary to speculation, China has always said it is not seeking to overthrow the global order. We should listen. Why would China go to the trouble of capsizing the global order when it can simply take it over, whole and intact?

After all, China is the biggest beneficiary of globalization. It has systematically used Western-led multilateral institutions, such as the World Trade Organization, to advance its interests and influence. Though still fighting for greater control of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, it has determinedly captured the leadership of four key United Nations agencies that set international rules and standards. (It almost claimed a fifth, the World Intellectual Property Organization, this year.)
No surprise then that China is now the second-largest financial contributor to the United Nations: It has steadily been building up its influence in international institutions for years.
Far from opening up a new battleground, China’s plan is to fight on familiar territory. Its message to the world is simple: China is ready to pick up the slack, as the United States retreats from its global responsibilities. For a world exhausted and impoverished by the pandemic, it’s a seductive proposition. Anybody who takes the reins will be good enough; few will ponder its significance for the global order. Development and stability, not China’s ambitions to lead, are the priorities for most countries.
There’s good reason for the gamble. The pandemic may have exposed shortcomings of China’s system, but it also uncovered many deficiencies of the West. The United States and Europe, each burdened by political difficulties and social challenges, are struggling to contain a virus for which they were unprepared. The global institutions they created and nurtured after World War II are directionless. The rest of the world has been left to fend for itself as best it can.
China stumbled at the start of the pandemic, true. But the West appears to be losing the moral high ground. By the time the United States chooses its next president, after what is sure to be a divisive campaign played out against a backdrop of domestic disorder, China hopes to have regained the confidence of the world. It will then firmly have the advantage.

It’s hard to remain sanguine at such a prospect. The world needs balance — at the moment, no country other than the United States has the means to ensure it. At a practical level, its leadership is indispensable.
[COLOR=rgba(179, 151, 15, 0.7)][COLOR=rgba(179, 151, 15, 0.7)]But it’s more than that. The world needs American leadership to remind it that respect for freedom and human dignity provides the best path to a shared future of humankind. The Beijing model — where an authoritarian party-state single-mindedly exalts economic betterment over free political choice — may look attractive to some. But it cannot be widely emulated. Dependent on China’s unique culture and history, the method can work only there. Democracy, by contrast, is based on universal principles that can be followed everywhere, by everyone.


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“Sit tight in the fishing boat,” a famous Chinese saying goes, “despite the rising wind and waves.” China, we can be assured, intends to ride out the storm.
And if the West can’t recover its faith in the universal power of democracy — from India to Indonesia, Ghana to Uruguay — China could then take the world, as it is.
Vijay Gokhale, a former foreign secretary of India, served as the country’s ambassador to China from January 2016 to October 2017.[/COLOR]
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So That Is What China Wants : Conveying Demands
Strange are the ways of Diplomacy. The other day only I was amused to read how one single monk of Russian type origin who had come to Tibet to study Buddhism and gained closeness to Dalai Lama would stir hornet's nest of Great Game diplomacy and influence British moves to counter Russian influences in Portal palace.

Diplomacy in modern times has placed multiple tools at the hand of the state to convey massages and for signaling. Media amongst those is a simple and powerful tool. One Indian Newspaper that has assiduously and faithfully done that work over so many years for China is "The Hindu". Now that the stand off is inching towards talks and negotiations, Hindu has published an article which virtually reads like the "Demands of China".

In order to understand the complexities of the standoff which DFI members, media men, the so called defense experts and even many generals are trying to decode between the Northern fingers of Penang Tso, areas of the article written by Mr Atul Tarneja is worth it. At places, it reads like a CCP draft.

It is a little longish, a reference could have sufficed, but considering Hindu's policy not allowing one to fully read, I am reproducing the entire article kind courtesy The Hindu..

Then the member can come out with their own conclusion.
 

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Panag has gone too far.. now action shd be taken by govt .. it must . Some people needs 2 be reminded that it is matter of national security nt a twitter game for political scoring.
Nah, a government censure will only work against it.

A lot of veterans are calling out Panag's BS on social media. You have retired colonels, majors, brigs, etc., many of whom served in Ladakh, tweeting "With all due respect Sir..." and then proceeding to completely demolish his argument without any ad hominem. That's the best way to deal with Panag. Let the vets do it, and you simply re-tweet the other vets.
 

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Analysis |

China’s Belt and Road Initiative fuels Ladakh standoff


Atul Aneja
When India abrogated Sections of Article 370 and separated Ladakh as a Union Territory from Jammu and Kashmir, China appears to have activated its plan-B, culminating in its latest intrusion

China’s latest intrusion in Ladakh, apparently to fortify Aksai Chin may have its roots in the Wuhan informal summit of 2017, after which, Beijing has juggled with a range of options to engage and restrain India to protect its core interests.

After the Wuhan informal summit between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping in April 2018, China activated the diplomatic track in order to arrive at an understanding with India on managing the shared interests of Beijing and New Delhi in their neighbourhood. This initiative was in tune with Beijing’s broader aspiration of expanding international support for its Eurasia-centered Belt and Road Initiative (BRI).
But just in case diplomacy did not work for many reasons, including India’s growing ties with the United States under the Indo-Pacific doctrine, a plan-B also began to take shape, with heavy reliance on Pakistan.

Pakistan’s inclusion in Beijing’s strategic calculus to counter India’s perceived tilt towards the Washington’s Indo-Pacific strategy was spotlighted when the Chinese “invited” to Beijing all the pillars of the Pakistani state — Prime Minister Imran Khan, chief of the army staff Qamar Javed Bajwa, and head of the Inter Services Intelligence Lt. Gen. Faiz Hameed on October 8, 2019. The meetings in the Chinese capital took place in the backdrop of India’s abrogation on August 5 of sections of the Kashmir centred Article 370 — a move which had already been unambiguously slammed by both Pakistan and China. Ahead of these meetings, India had also participated in the upscaled dialogue of the Indo-Pacific quad at the level of Foreign Minsters on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly session in New York.

Gilgit-Baltistan
China’s core interests have dictated that India should be firmly dissuaded from considering recovery of Gilgit-Baltistan to fulfil its long-stated goal of unifying Kashmir, in pursuit of a unanimous parliamentary resolution passed in 1994. China has also been vocal about retaining Aksai Chin — the essential link between Tibet and Xinjiang. “Aksai Chin is the essential link between Xinjiang and Tibet, and China’s national highway 219 passes through this passage. Aksai Chin is therefore central to China’s territorial unity and the one-China principle,” a Chinese academic, who did not wish to be named, earlier told The Hindu.

By the time Mr. Modi and Mr. Xi met at Wuhan, Beijing had already begun to sink billions of dollars in the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) which covered Gilgit-Baltistan. From Beijing’s perspective, any Indian attempt to take over Gilgit-Baltistan, would wreck CPEC — the flagship of the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). Mr. Xi had staked his personal prestige in the project, which would provide China with access to the Indian Ocean through the Gwadar port. It would also help reduce Beijing’s dependence on the Malacca straits, dominated by the U.S., which had declared its intent to shift its forces from West Asia and the Gulf to the Asia-Pacific, in tune with Washington’s Asia-pivot doctrine.

Closer home, the Chinese have also been uncomfortable with infrastructure development along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) with India, especially due to the pressure it imposes on Aksai Chin.

Revival of airfields
By 2008, India had reactivated airfields of Daulet Beg Oldie (DBO) and Fukche, reducing reliance on Leh as the main air support hub for Ladakh. A year later, the Nyoma airfield had also been revived. “DBO is on the old Leh-Tarim basin trade route through the Karakoram pass and only nine kilometers northwest of Aksai Chin. It is also important because India’s physical link with China’s Xinjiang province, and not Tibet, is routed through DBO,” says a former diplomat, who did not wish to be named.

The revival of the aviation infrastructure has augmented India’s capacity to quickly insert troops and military supplies along the LAC. “DBO, Fukche and Nyoma have supplemented Leh, providing a major boost to intra-theatre movement of Indian forces and equipment along the LAC,” Air Vice Marshal (Retd.) Amit Aneja, told The Hindu.

Indian road construction activity, with the 255-km Darbuk-Shayok-Daulat Beg Oldie (DSDBO) as the spine has steeled Indian connectivity along the LAC, adding further pressure on Aksai Chin.

2+1 formulation
But turning to diplomacy at the Wuhan informal summit, India and China took the first baby steps towards working jointly in the region by agreeing to train Afghan diplomats. “This was a highly symbolic move. Soon after the Afghan initiative, China began to develop a coordinated outlook with India as partner in the region, starting with Nepal by pursuing what was called a 2+1 approach. This was to further explore the possibility and range of joint management of the region by India and China,” a Chinese diplomat told The Hindu.

The new 2+1 formulation, where the two countries —India and China — would first coordinate a common approach with a third country was aired during Nepal Prime Minister K.P. Sharma Oli’s visit to Beijing in June 2018. “Mr. Oli had an extraordinary meeting with President Xi. The Chinese President said he was ready to consider Nepal’s requests for infrastructure development in his country, but before concretising any plans, he would like to take Prime Minister Modi into confidence,” a Nepali diplomatic source aware of the conversation told this newspaper.

“The Chinese made it clear that they were not interested in pursuing a zero-sum approach with Nepal. In fact, the hosts spoke about the Wuhan informal summit between President Xi Jinping and Prime Minister Narendra Modi, including the discussion between the two leaders on achieving greater regional cooperation, which covered connectivity,” he added. Separately speaking to The Hindu then, Nepal’s Environment Minister, Shakti Bahadur Basnet, said he welcomed “the two- plus-one format as we are confident that such a dialogue will be conducted in a spirit of equality and mutual respect.”

The 2+1 formulation subsequently mutated into China-India plus mechanism, which former Chinese ambassador to India, Luo Zhaohui said had guided the two countries’ response to “the Rohingya issue in Myanmar and the Iranian nuclear issue,” as reported by The Tribune.

Analysts point out that with an eye on a broader international endorsement of the BRI, China also developed a self-interest in easing tensions between India and Pakistan. “After the BRI has been launched, China was completely opposed to pursue a zero-sum approach. Relationship with Pakistan has been vital because its geography provides China access to the Indian Ocean via the CPEC. But India, with its much bigger economy, on the contrary, is also important to China as it can become a major engine of the BRI in the future,” says another Chinese academic on conditions of anonymity. But he pointed out that unless tensions between India and Pakistan over Kashmir are eased, China understood that India will not board the BRI ship on account of its fundamental objections to CPEC. So far, India has rejected the BRI, citing CPEC, which passes through India-claimed Gilgit-Baltistan, as an infringement of its sovereignty.

Within months of the Wuhan summit, and with BRI as the backdrop, the Chinese, while hosting the summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO), with India and Pakistan as full members, began to openly air their interest in encouraging a rapport between New Delhi and Islamabad. During the Qingdao summit of the SCO, Chinese Foreign Minister and State councilor Wang Yi told state broadcaster China Global Television Network (CGTN) that , “I think after their joining the SCO, maybe we can provide a better platform and opportunities for the building of relations between them (India and Pakistan).” The Hindu has learnt that the Chinese side had offered its good offices to resolve the Kashmir issue between India and Pakistan, which New Delhi politely declined, during the June 2019 Bishkek summit of the SCO.

But after August 5, 2019, when India abrogated Sections of Article 370 and separated Ladakh as a Union Territory from Jammu and Kashmir, China appears to have activated its plan-B, culminating in its latest intrusion, focused on Ladakh, across the LAC.

India's claim on Aksai Chin
“There appears to have been a strategic shift in Chinese thinking after India abrogated Sections of Article 370 last year and created the Union Territories of Jammu and Kashmir, and Ladakh. India has always claimed Aksai Chin, but the issue appears to have been re-interpreted in China after the special status of Jammu and Kashmir was revoked,” says P. Stobdan, former ambassador to Kyrgyzstan, who specialises in trans-Himalayan studies.

Speaking in Lok Sabha on August 6 last year, Home Minister Amit Shah unambiguously nailed India’s claims over PoK and Aksai Chin — an observation that would not have gone unnoticed in Beijing. “Kashmir is an integral part of India, there is no doubt over it. When I talk about Jammu and Kashmir, Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and Aksai Chin are included in it,” he said.

Unsurprisingly, on August 12, China raised the issue of Aksai Chin and Pakistan with visiting External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar. In his response, the External Affairs Minister had reassured his Chinese counterpart that the revocation of Article 370 “did not impact the Line of Control (LoC)”. Besides, “There was no implication for the external boundaries of India or the Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China. India was not raising any additional territorial claims. The Chinese concerns in this regard were misplaced,” Mr. Jashankar told Indian media in Beijing during a press conference.

Observers say that by putting military pressure in Ladakh, the Chinese are assertively conveying multiple messages, including exhorting New Delhi to restrain itself on Aksai Chin and Gilgi- Baltistan, as well as curb the exuberance of its engagement with the Trump administration under the Indo-Pacific doctrine.
 

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1. The analyst has provided all possible wish list of China that could be conveyed with adequate background and emphasis just to remind Indians if they did not understand the demands advanced from time to time and context to context.

2. If the Chinese present military moves are indeed mainly aimed at addressing concerns of Aksai Chin, then the standoff will be SSN heavy and directed at infrastructure such as BSDBO Road, Standoff at other places could ease out. Nepal's attempt to create controversy around Lipulekh are likely to persist.

3. If the present military move if aimed at GB and securing CPEC, standoff all along is likely to persist, and force levels likely to increase further to make India commit significant forces and resources on LAC with the aim to reducing the Indian Army force levels for offensive into GB . Chinese military activities my increase in other sectors especially the central sector to draw in more Indian reserves and utilize Chinese forces there as a nearby ready reserve for Ladakh..
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4. If GB / CPEC is the main concern then we will witness an increased Pakistani deployment and activities in GB. Both Pakistan and China will present a Convergence of Forces' dilemma to the Indian military. In this scenario, the staff off will be a long-drawn affair. India will have no option but to wait for winter options on Pakistan. Indian Generalship will be tested for achieving and maintaining strategic balance

5. It would be difficult for India to tide ver Lipulekh controversy. However, the axis must be firmly secured and kept open as an option.

6. The possibility of a limited conflict will depend on diplomatic progress made between the quad countries and Indo - US relations. The internal situation of China and economic developments. India must remain watchful on all these counts.
7. BJP govt must remain watchful and firm on the revocation of article 370 and the status of the three UTs from internal and external sources. Enhanced attempts will continue to be made for the terrorist activities by Pakistan.
 

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How high are the possibilities of them sneaking in through Bhutan (by force) or Nepal (considering the govt's new found bonhomie)? Or is it that the Himalayas would indeed act as a great barrier?
Bhutan is always a game and all possibilities on Western and Eastern junctions of Bhutan boundary. Both the junctions are located at very sensitive areas and that is why Bhutan Army is mainly concentrated next to Doklam and adjacent to Tawang. Cetral Bhutan has insurmountable peaks.

Nepal is a no go and I do not think Nepal would ever allow India or China to use their territory to launch military operations.
 

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We will never know the exact situation..

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Absolutely needless controversy. Dominating ground necessarily does not mean height only. The question, after all, is dominating what and why. What are you trying to deny and for that what are you defending? Even if it comes to a line one can not occupy a line everywhere.

In high altitude platue of Ladakh it is obviously the avenues of movement East-West or North-South. The valleys and passes are the keys and not mountain heights which facilitate nothing. Heights that dominate valleys and passes only matter.

Prior to 1962 also India had established only three posts on the Northern bank of Pengang Tso - Shrijap, Shrijap-I and Shrijap-II (East of today's Finger 8). Those were overrun by Chinese tanks. So one can imagine their relative heights. What can an infantry company achieve sitting on top of the icy and snowy height North of Penang Tso. It can only bring observed arty fire into Pengang Tso valley. Then one might as well have an Artillery OP there rather than a company. sitting for nothing. If the Chinese have gone on Top, let them go to freeze there.
The same applies to Galwan valley. It is the valley which is required to be denied and not its high peaks like Ajay Shukla was trying to profess.
 

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I think India did not think thru carefully when meeting with Aus PM and signing the agreements, just a day before it was going to meet the Chinese generals and ask them to withdraw, I can now see the chinese being in an agreeable mood to do so. The Aussie meeting should have been held a day after the chinese mtg.

If you think that these type of agreements are done within time period of mere few hours then you have no idea that how a Govt works.

And what do you mean India didn't think thru? India exactly thought it through.. "If you can do things and then we also do things". Its simple as that.
 

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Some other day we have to face china if not sooner
Pok isn't just possible if we neglect china
Some good strategy needs to be made with aggressiveness
 

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Express interview: ‘If LAC not marked soon, build-up like on LoC likely,’ says ex-Army chief Gen. VP Malik

Kargil war veteran Maha Veer Chakra Col Sonam Wangchuk on current India China stand-off
 
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1. The analyst has provided all possible wish list of China that could be conveyed with adequate background and emphasis just to remind Indians if they did not understand the demands advanced from time to time and context to context.

2. If the Chinese present military moves are indeed mainly aimed at addressing concerns of Aksai Chin, then the standoff will be SSN heavy and directed at infrastructure such as BSDBO Road, Standoff at other places could ease out. Nepal's attempt to create controversy around Lipulekh are likely to persist.

3. If the present military move if aimed at GB and securing CPEC, standoff all along is likely to persist, and force levels likely to increase further to make India commit significant forces and resources on LAC with the aim to reducing the Indian Army force levels for offensive into GB . Chinese military activities my increase in other sectors especially the central sector to draw in more Indian reserves and utilize Chinese forces there as a nearby ready reserve for Ladakh..
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4. If GB / CPEC is the main concern then we will witness an increased Pakistani deployment and activities in GB. Both Pakistan and China will present a Convergence of Forces' dilemma to the Indian military. In this scenario, the staff off will be a long-drawn affair. India will have no option but to wait for winter options on Pakistan. Indian Generalship will be tested for achieving and maintaining strategic balance

5. It would be difficult for India to tide ver Lipulekh controversy. However, the axis must be firmly secured and kept open as an option.

6. The possibility of a limited conflict will depend on diplomatic progress made between the quad countries and Indo - US relations. The internal situation of China and economic developments. India must remain watchful on all these counts.
7. BJP govt must remain watchful and firm on the revocation of article 370 and the status of the three UTs from internal and external sources. Enhanced attempts will continue to be made for the terrorist activities by Pakistan.
My question which is the most favourable portion through which we can push an armed thrust into GB?
 

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@Bhadra

1. What is the possibility that PLA strategy is to create multiple buffer zones across LAC and other regions and later use time as an imperative to land solid foundations, and use non-aggression of Indian leadership to advantage and stay there until LAC is claimed according to there terms?

2. Does creating another temporary camp at Site-4 (finger 4) has repercussions that we are unable to understand yet?

3. Why aggression to claim land inside according to our terms is necessary or not?

To me the act of building camp site at finger 4 and subsequent infrastructure close to Finger 7 is rooted in a deeper strategy of quick succession without firing a bullet.
 

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It is all semantics. "Training" is in quotes (wink, wink), and there is no law that says what can be done where. Again, I think we need to get out of this "we should do like this or should not do like that" mentality. If we held "training" (or call it "acclimatization drills" if you will, meaning say 20-50 US troops join Indian troops on a leisurely walk between F4-F8), I dont think any other body will criticize us, or we should feel ashamed of ourselves for letting our "sovereignty" being called into question. Just plain pragmatism.

Why should only India be worried about Chinese perception? Why always think we are inferior? On some posts we claim we are superior, but at other times we say we better shut up and keep the chinese in good humor. As for CCP proven right- who cares!

Actually, I fail to understand why is India so scared of China? Before you give your reasons, think then why is Pak not scared of India?
Too much of oppression and wrong teaching of tolerance has made us fearful.
 
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