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porky_kicker

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WTF.. Shiv aroor just gave OSINT handle detresfa space on India today, for discussing the current China issue.

detresfa was beepdelete before it was suspended by twitter.

I had created the thread OSINT & India conundrum thread, because of the funk this chap along with intel crab created against Indian govt in the aftermath of balakot strikes.

Remember the mail that Twitter sends for violation of its policies, saying you have violated some “X country” govt policy.

These idiots had projected it as Indian govt suppressing their free speech, where as in reality Indian govt has nothing to do with it.

this is one of the reason that during any indo-pak flare up, western OSINT handles exclusively use paki sources and never Indian.

In the end it turned out, some of these chaps were using multiple twitter handles and retweeting from the other handle.
That's the biggest irony

Anti india platforms like India Today play good cop bad cop with Indians to push anti national agenda subtly .

I never like that guy shiv , nor that sandeep unnithan from rndtv , ironically they use their connections to stay relevant. Forget about coupta .

They bring in dubious sources while pushing nationalist indian back on the burner.

The best way too identify a rat is when it exploits nationalism for own gain.

Nationalists do it out of love without expectations or limelight.

I don't mind difference in opinions but not from those who have dubious records and hell not from porky and Chinese sources
 
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No they can't . If they impact Indus then Pakistan will die from drought not India. There goes cpec. Lol
I think they can cause floods downstream in India , there would be devastation. This would be a bigger concern than the LAC .
 

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No they can't . If they impact Indus then Pakistan will die from drought not India. There goes cpec. Lol
Linking an old Post of a Chinese member presenting their side of view ( riparian rights)

 
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Then What is LAC

By Now One would have got an idea that LAC is actually no line. It is not a line that exists on maps nor does it exists on ground detracted or eliminated by any physical features like a watershed or river or bu pillers.

Here it is but natural for anyone to ask that when the physicality of geography is concerned how does our troops protect it if it does not exist? How do troops dominate and conveyed their control by patrolling? How does MEA communicate and negotiate when it is not a physical reality?

The answer is that there indeed are lines that exist.

First there is a line which has been given to the troops, agencies, and people on the ground to follow, Army, ITBP or other agencies like police forces follow that line to conduct their routine of policing, guarding and defending. However that line is not LAC, It is just a working line. That line is decided at the very highest level based on numerous considerations. It that as an executive order, say for example Indian Armed Force will Patrol up to finger 5 in 33N56 and 76E45 in PengangTso Area.

Second, there is a line or there are many lines that exist based on which the MEA conduct their diplomatic business with China, Those lines are based on past communications, practices, traditions or exchanges. For the purposes of negotiation, there can be many such lines. This line though not conveyed as a line is actually conceptually the actaul LAC. MEA for example conveys

"The PLA came five km inside India up to 31N45 and 76E45 and thereby violated the LAC".
Here MEA has conveyed a point which they consider as LAC. and China by coming to a point has coveted their perception of LAC.

Third. then there are certain points on border which each other consider as border between the two countries - It could be kanchanjunga peak or Bumla or Lipulekh pass etc, They also constitute valid LAC points.
 

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Water wars are coming Guys
And this is serious. We're missing the wood for the trees. The issue is that the Chinese have blocked the water flowing into the Galwan River.

The second and third week of May did see a minor ingress of Chinese troops, but by the fourth week this ingress had been turned back and the sanctity of the LAC restored. The 20-30 PLA who had pitched up two tents on the river bend within our area were sent packing. There are no PLA on our side of the Galwan river valley at present.

The only issue here is the stoppage of water by the Chinese which is against international law and the rights of lower riparian states.
 

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Linking an old Post of a Chinese member presenting their side of view

The nine-dash line says everything you need to know about the Chinese.
They will do whatever the fuck they want.

Only good news they cant dam the Brahmaputra
 

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Water wars are coming Guys
This has a very serious implication as well as a considerable threat. If the Chinese are storing the water in the temporary barrage and suddenly release the water, it will wash away IA positions on the river banks as well as downstream.

Knowing Chinese, they definitely will play such cheap tricks and we must be wary of such tactics by Chinese.
 

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This has a very serious implication as well as a considerable threat. If the Chinese are storing the water in the temporary barrage and suddenly release the water, it will wash away IA positions on the river banks as well as downstream.

Knowing Chinese, they definitely will play such cheap tricks and we must be wary of such tactics by Chinese.
knowing chinese, we would also be well aware of such a ploy which we deployed on paki at one time. We have executed such on pakis with precision one time, :india:
 

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The nine-dash line says everything you need to know about the Chinese.
They will do whatever the fuck they want.

Only good news they cant dam the Brahmaputra
And what they have actually done? Vietnam and USA both are operating within Chinese claimed oceans with impunity.
 

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This has a very serious implication as well as a considerable threat. If the Chinese are storing the water in the temporary barrage and suddenly release the water, it will wash away IA positions on the river banks as well as downstream.

Knowing Chinese, they definitely will play such cheap tricks and we must be wary of such tactics by Chinese.
Galwan doesn't have that much water . It's more of a stream the river. Besides there is no way for Chinese to deny responsibility for such a thing. That will be declaration of war
 

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Water wars are coming Guys
it's important to keep any eye on a few things before coming to such conclusions:
- who is making this statements?
- which publication is publishing these statements?
- what are the past precedents of the above mentioned publication?
- who else are involved in this exercise?
- was there a debate?
- what was the counter points against the original statement?
- who participated in the said debates?
- what type of outlook these debators , have for future of india?
- what is the outcome of the debate?

etc etc..

basically saying, don't jump to conclusion just because someone said so.
 
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