India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[Shaitan]

Not sure if posted, but Chinooks are also posted with Apaches. Good to see these newly inducted platforms right in the thick of things.

 

[Yeloblu]

looks like even gods are working for Mudiji

 

[Yeloblu]

 

[Shaitan]

So much opportunity in this event.

Fate and good leadership willing, we will see beautiful weapons of war, beautiful pieces of artillery of all variety, beautiful armored vehicles, beautiful fighter jets, PGMs, radars from the factories of Bharat Forge, TATAs, L&Ts, OFBs, HAL, etc.

I just cant

 

[LurkerBaba]

So much opportunity in this event.

Fate and good leadership willing, we will see beautiful weapons of war, beautiful pieces of artillery of all variety, beautiful armored vehicles, beautiful fighter jets, PGMs, radars from the factories of Bharat Forge, TATAs, L&Ts, OFBs, HAL, etc.

One of them is not like the others

 

[Shaitan]

One of them is not like the others

Unfortunately, government policies still supports them.

 

[maomao]

Must Watch!!! This is very interesting Analysis, this is so detailed and well explained you will realize how Panang and Shukla type people are lying!

 

[Sanglamorre]

Unfortunately, government policies still supports them.

Don't underestimate OFB. The things they produce can be chucked down to the Chinese, and maybe they'll kill themselves trying to operate it.

 

[LurkerBaba]

Unfortunately, government policies still supports them.

(offtopic)
Government is (slowly) ending its monopoly. Also, corporatization is the first to privatisation. No private player will buy an entity without proper balance sheets etc.

 

[Apollyon]

Must Watch!!! This is very interesting Analysis, this is so detailed and well explained you will realize how Panang and Shukla type people are lying!

Plis to summarize. TL;DW

 

[Shaitan]

(offtopic)
Government is (slowly) ending its monopoly. Also, corporatization is the first to privatisation. No private player will buy an entity without proper balance sheets etc.

Maybe so, but government still gives them contracts without even competing. Like in the case of AK203 which did no extensive trialing in LEH, etc. The Russians wanted to originally partner with the Adanis for the program as well.

This is a bone to to the Russian industry and to keep OFB hands moving. Effectively the Russians will be in Indian small arms business for 20+ years. OFB will be overlooking the quality and construction of most of Indian soldiers arms. If somehow the new factory pulls this off, great, but they have a track record.

If India pulls this BS with FICV, FRCV, etc. This will be a sin. Especially after current events.

There is also a issue of putting most of the future jet programs under HAL. This is also a recipe for disaster.

I love the SP and Make India why has nothing come of it? Why cant the gov and users freeze concepts that arent even revolutionary, but contemporary things need to move faster. India has the industry to produce a credible military industry and the players want to move, ask Baba, but they keep running into road blocks.

 

[utubekhiladi]

can anyone confirm this image I am getting conflicting report??

thats what i am trying to tell you.. pp14 is gone

 

[Sridhar_TN]

One must recall how sequence of events of siachen capture started, it started with pakis publishing maps tilting the straight line from Pt 9842 in their favour.

So if you see any one not belonging to GoI tilting LAC detrimental to indian interests as they are doing at galwan, you can be sure that the so called "neutral' third parties do not have indian interests at heart. and the opinions of these "neutral" third parties are of limited value beyond a point.

The most underrated post. THIS.

 

[Snowcat]

People should stop pretending like they have sources, highly connected ...and this birdie shit.

Nitin Gokhale in his StratNews podcast told this. There is no secret source.

Haha, that's fine, I will stay mum till it becomes a bit more transparent. My source was friend who asked his friend which inturn asked another guy who is serving. Although i still have doubts about the authenticity of the info, but hey, we all are passing around the doobie here.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Closer to strategic DBO, China opens new front at Depsang

Around 30 km south-east from the important airstrip of Daulat Beg Oldie (DBO), the Chinese army has moved and deployed in large numbers up to a place called Y-junction or Bottleneck on the Depsang plains.

www.google.com

Closer to strategic DBO, China opens new front at Depsang

 

[utubekhiladi]

its getting more and more confirmed..

Closer to strategic DBO, China opens new front at Depsang

Around 30 km south-east from the important airstrip of Daulat Beg Oldie (DBO), the Chinese army has moved and deployed in large numbers up to a place called Y-junction or Bottleneck on the Depsang plains.

the Chinese army has crossed the border in another strategic area to the north, the Depsang plains. This intrusion is seen as another attempt by the Chinese to shift the LAC further west on the disputed boundary.

When contacted, the Army’s media wing declined to comment on the matter, with an officer telling The Indian Express that “the report can neither be confirmed nor denied”.

Bottleneck is known as Y-junction because the track coming from Burtse forks into two tracks, one going northwards along the Raki Nala to Patrolling Point-10 (PP-10) and the other south-eastward towards PP-13. These two tracks are followed by Indian patrols on foot up to PP-10, PP-11, PP-11A, PP-12 and PP-13.

Those dealing with the situation contend that if China is able to link up from PP-10 to PP-13 via Bottleneck, it could easily shift the LAC further west of the present Indian Limit of Patrolling (LoP). This would deny India access to a significant part of the LAC close to the DBO airfield and bring the Chinese closer to the strategic DSDBO road.

All the patrolling points in this area – PP-10, PP-11, PP-11A, PP-12 and PP-13 – fall on the LoP, which is marked a few kilometres to the west of the LAC on Indian maps. This 20-km frontage is the only portion on the border where the LoP falls short of LAC. It has been done due to historical reasons, and the LoP has been approved by the China Study Group.

read full report at..

Closer to strategic DBO, China opens new front at Depsang

Around 30 km south-east from the important airstrip of Daulat Beg Oldie (DBO), the Chinese army has moved and deployed in large numbers up to a place called Y-junction or Bottleneck on the Depsang plains.

indianexpress.com

 

[Sanglamorre]

Haha, that's fine, I will stay mum till it becomes a bit more transparent. My source was friend who asked his friend which inturn asked another guy who is serving. Although i still have doubts about the authenticity of the info, but hey, we all are passing around the doobie here.

So, we control these structures already built by Chinese? What about the trail of vehicles towards China?

 

[utubekhiladi]

So far what happened in last 2-3 days, based on open source media and news

• china promised peace and invited india on their side of loc for talks.
• china agreed to withdraw as per apr 2 status quo but...
• on the pretext of talks and withdrawal, they actually came in further and fortified pp-14 with 100s of new bunkers and structures with 4-5 brigade strength at galwan backed by heavies.
• they built additional bunkers from f4 to f8 in pangong tso lake backed by 3-5 brigade strength backed with heavies.
• they deployed heavy armors, artillery, heavy bombers and fighters across but close to LAC.
• Military sources have revealed that China has been blocking Indian army patrols from going up to patrolling points 10 to 13 in the Daulat Beg Oldi sector near the LAC.
• Today, Closer to strategic DBO, China opens new front at Depsang with atleast 10-15 brigade strength mobilization fully armed and backed by heavies.
• we have been back-stabbed again.

IT LOOKS LIKE, WE HAVE BEEN BACK STABBED AGAIN AND AGAIN.. COUPLE OF SAYS AGO, SOMEBODY ON THIS FORUM SAID "LAWDA DE-ESCALATION" AND HE WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT"

FROM NOW, IT LOOKS LIKE WAR IS NOT ONLY INEVITABLE, BUT NECESSARY.. CHINA WILL FIGHT TO SHOW OFF THE SIZE OF ITS EGO AND POWER BUT OUR FIGHT WILL BE FOR SURVIVAL.

if anyone have corrections to this post or latest information then i will be happy to edit this post accordingly.

JAI HIND.
may god stay with our armed forces.

 

[Waanar]

its getting more and more confirmed..

Closer to strategic DBO, China opens new front at Depsang

Around 30 km south-east from the important airstrip of Daulat Beg Oldie (DBO), the Chinese army has moved and deployed in large numbers up to a place called Y-junction or Bottleneck on the Depsang plains.

the Chinese army has crossed the border in another strategic area to the north, the Depsang plains. This intrusion is seen as another attempt by the Chinese to shift the LAC further west on the disputed boundary.

When contacted, the Army’s media wing declined to comment on the matter, with an officer telling The Indian Express that “the report can neither be confirmed nor denied”.

Bottleneck is known as Y-junction because the track coming from Burtse forks into two tracks, one going northwards along the Raki Nala to Patrolling Point-10 (PP-10) and the other south-eastward towards PP-13. These two tracks are followed by Indian patrols on foot up to PP-10, PP-11, PP-11A, PP-12 and PP-13.

Those dealing with the situation contend that if China is able to link up from PP-10 to PP-13 via Bottleneck, it could easily shift the LAC further west of the present Indian Limit of Patrolling (LoP). This would deny India access to a significant part of the LAC close to the DBO airfield and bring the Chinese closer to the strategic DSDBO road.

All the patrolling points in this area – PP-10, PP-11, PP-11A, PP-12 and PP-13 – fall on the LoP, which is marked a few kilometres to the west of the LAC on Indian maps. This 20-km frontage is the only portion on the border where the LoP falls short of LAC. It has been done due to historical reasons, and the LoP has been approved by the China Study Group.

read full report at..

Closer to strategic DBO, China opens new front at Depsang

Around 30 km south-east from the important airstrip of Daulat Beg Oldie (DBO), the Chinese army has moved and deployed in large numbers up to a place called Y-junction or Bottleneck on the Depsang plains.

indianexpress.com

They won't stop unless we start.
This is very, very reactionary and very short sighted approach we have. I wonder if we preempt when they're flooding in and expecting punching matches. We have the ability to inflict MASSIVE casualties if the military throws everything at them in the first few weeks. It can be a deal breaker for the Chinks.
Simultaneous widespread large scale, true blue infantry ambushes while mining avenues of reinforcement approach and airstrike on even a tactical level while setting up AD and bunkers along with a higher than regular number of MANPADs in Platoons will more than do the trick to blunt China's response.

Time them together perfectly and the body count will be atrocious. The troops being sent are probably not for operating independently like a bunch of paratroopers.

 

[doreamon]

So far what happened in last 2-3 days, based on open source media and news

• china promised peace and invited india on their side of loc for talks.
• china agreed to withdraw as per apr 2 status quo but...
• on the pretext of talks and withdrawal, they actually came in further and fortified pp-14 with 100s of new bunkers and structures with 4-5 brigade strength at galwan backed by heavies.
• they built additional bunkers from f4 to f8 in pangong tso lake backed by 3-5 brigade strength backed with heavies.
• they deployed heavy armors, artillery, heavy bombers and fighters across but close to LAC.
• Military sources have revealed that China has been blocking Indian army patrols from going up to patrolling points 10 to 13 in the Daulat Beg Oldi sector near the LAC.
• Today, Closer to strategic DBO, China opens new front at Depsang with atleast 10-15 brigade strength fully armed and backed by heavies.
• we have been back-stabbed again.

IT LOOKS LIKE, WE HAVE BEEN BACK STABBED AGAIN AND AGAIN.. COUPLE OF SAYS AGO, SOMEBODY ON THIS FORUM SAID "LAWDA DE-ESCALATION" AND HE WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT"

FROM NOW, IT LOOKS LIKE WAR IS NOT ONLY INEVITABLE, BUT NECESSARY.. CHINA WILL FIGHT TO SHOW OFF THE SIZE OF ITS EGO AND POWER BUT OUR FIGHT WILL BE FOR SURVIVAL.

JAI HIND.
may god stay with our armed forces.

10/15 brigade ... 1 brigade 3k soldiers . thats a war level mobilization