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Whatever one may think about shukla is irrelevant. He has generally been right about the intrusions so far. Leaving aside his sensational 10000 chinese in Indian territory claim, though technically he is right as entire Aksai Chin is Indian territory. But thats splitting hairs. But the situation does seem very serious. As far as strategic and tactical concerns go the Depsang area is of more concern than the fingers area in Pangong Tso. The Chinese cant really roll down a couple of divisions in the finger area. In Depsang they can cut off access to the Karakoram pass and Siachen would be threatened. I think thats been their plan all along to link up with the Paki's in the north and protect their CPEC. Dont lets just dismiss the report out of hand. Something is definately happening up north.
Shooting in the dark or not. Some points and facts that this Ajai Sukla guys stated earlier, I am more or less sure that he got the information directly from CCP itself.
 

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De Escalation is a lie only circulating in media I don’t see it happening on ground why is the media saying that de escalation is happening? When China is increasing its operational preparedness so is India
 

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Whatever one may think about shukla is irrelevant. He has generally been right about the intrusions so far. Leaving aside his sensational 10000 chinese in Indian territory claim, though technically he is right as entire Aksai Chin is Indian territory. But thats splitting hairs. But the situation does seem very serious. As far as strategic and tactical concerns go the Depsang area is of more concern than the fingers area in Pangong Tso. The Chinese cant really roll down a couple of divisions in the finger area. In Depsang they can cut off access to the Karakoram pass and Siachen would be threatened. I think thats been their plan all along to link up with the Paki's in the north and protect their CPEC. Dont lets just dismiss the report out of hand. Something is definately happening up north.
depsang intrusion will mean full might of IA thrusted upon them like galwan
 

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so? Who cares? Don’t pakis man all their posts on the LoC? Im telling you guys, LAC is now LoC. Constant year the round troops will be deployed and responsibility of LAC will now lie with IA with ITBP providing secondary support
They are across the LAC that thrust after the red line is worrisome, we have to care.
 

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Whatever one may think about shukla is irrelevant. He has generally been right about the intrusions so far. Leaving aside his sensational 10000 chinese in Indian territory claim, though technically he is right as entire Aksai Chin is Indian territory. But thats splitting hairs. But the situation does seem very serious. As far as strategic and tactical concerns go the Depsang area is of more concern than the fingers area in Pangong Tso. The Chinese cant really roll down a couple of divisions in the finger area. In Depsang they can cut off access to the Karakoram pass and Siachen would be threatened. I think thats been their plan all along to link up with the Paki's in the north and protect their CPEC. Dont lets just dismiss the report out of hand. Something is definately happening up north.

So they are back?
depsang intrusion will mean full might of IA thrusted upon them like galwan
okay, may be i am missing something here,

can somebody please explain me with maps/pics/videos the depsang plains intrusion scenario and its connection to karakoram and cpec? :notsure::confused1:
 

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In order to increase the indigenous equipments in airforce we could order 240 LCA mark 1 A and have it by 2026, I know some would be thinking and saying what this person knows, but listen to my reasoning put Two assembly line for production for LCA Mark 1 A, bengalauru and Nasik assembly with combined production's of 48 per annual the combined order of 240 LCA's Mark 1 A could cost around 1,00,000 Crores and give us a total strength of 280 LCA's by 2026 instead of currently planned 123 by 2026 and I woul not say more than anything more than this as this is not the LAC thread
How will it help at present if we manufacture 280 Tejas mk1a by 2026?
Once the present crisis dissolves business will be as usual for Armed forces because it is not the first time our armed forces are learning a tough lesson. We Indian must stop fighting the war on papers.
 

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I was thinking even if HAL starts producing 24-30 Tejas Per year would General Electric of US be able to provide GE-F404 engines at that rate? Because India is not the only country which has ordered these engines they get huge orders
 

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Impact of Galwan on Indian Army Training
Every small or big operation impact the thinking of military officers and soldiers while they carry out assessments of actions taken, lapses, successes and lessons learnt.

Having stated that utility of mass and importance of numbers and resrves at every level is one of the biggest lesson that will be taken home, there is another aspect of military training and skills that would exercise all commanders mind - the physical Contact Warfare and Unarmed Combat,

Indian Army as also most of the armies of the world lay very less emphasis on unarmed combat. For armies. application of superior firepower is of prime importance and almost every means is geared to bring more tonnage of led and steel coupled with explosives on to the target (called bringing the shit on the target ).

Infantry is the Only arm that basic role is to close in with the enemy and destroy him by close combat (called CQB) . Here also efforts are made to use maximum firepower to destroy enemy.

Bayonet Charges are left only to infantry who still pride in other methods like Khukhari Charges, or kripan charges. But over all contact combat in the Army is shunned and not given adequate importance.

Kabbadi, wrestling and boxing are some game that go a long way in promoting contact battles. But participation in these is limited to regional character of troops. A Gurkha or Assamese has no idea of wrestling and a Jat or Rajput can be knocked down in first round itself by a Gurkha or a Madrasi / Keralite in boxing.

However, Galwan will now force the Army Officer to think about physical contact training and many morning PT and evening games periods would be given for Hanuman Ji Ka Akhara. Infantry units will increasing have Unarmed Combat Pits dug up in the units.

Adjutant IMA and OTA must take a nude unarmed comat combat parade at least for one hours in the night and at least twice a month as part of curriculum. Officers must pass boxing test every term and made to bleed.
Instead of boxing, a more convenient method would be teaching them to internalize and make second nature the instinct to go straight for eyes, head, balls, kidneys and otherwise vital zones of the body that'll end a fight in the first 30 seconds.

Trust me, that kind of stuff doesn't come easy. Brutality needs to be inculcated and these things make your average "good guy" cringe. No one wants to gouge out eyes. It's PTSD stuff but it'll work.

Akharas are good for grappling but striking should be chaotic and gory.
Stuff like jumping with both feet on a downed man's head is no one's instinct if not backed by training, and if it is.. well... They need counseling.
 

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May have already happened. If reports of China replacing it generals in tibet are true the Chinese may have suffered reverses in Depsang besides Galwan.
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can u explain me about depsang intrusion scenario with its connection to karakoram/cpec/siachin? (if possible using some maps/pics/video please)
 

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Tejas with American engines is always susceptible to American sanctions we should order them with spares in advance so that we remain immune to American sanctions for atleast 10 years and develop our own engine to replace it in future like French did with Rafales they used American engines in prototypes but later replaced them with Their own
 
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