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Anything by M Bhadrakumar is likely to be negative or sour, and in favour of any country except India. Basically, it's his position that it is India's job to appease and satisfy every country on earth, and if that is not happening, anything negative that follows is entirely, unreservedly India's fault.
After the URI attack by pakistani terrorists Bhadrakumar wrote an article where he essentially said. India has no choice but to sit on the table with pakistan and have talks. presumably brokered by USA.
We all know how he was surgically made silent on 29th September 2016.

This man used to be an ambassador and also had been in Afghanistan.He had also met Masood who was pro-India from the Northern alliance. Imagine the level of the Rot.

When Shekhar Gupta says, "Stop being scared of 1962". he thinks Whole of India is scared of china. That is not true. Only Lutyens Delhi is scared of china.

Rest of India is like that Soldier "Golgappe khaayega" ?

China has misunderstood India completely. They purchased assets like media and Delhi crowd. But, Modi changed everything. After, Jaitly not being around, The delhi power is nearly gone.

Indians gets united if you attack their pride. Very visible right now. Congress has dug a grave for itself. It is like Communist party now. Pro-china. Pro-Tukde Tukde. The only asset china has is Subbu swamy inside the BJP and he is at the peripheries of Peripheries. He cant even attack jaitly now. That man has left us. Swamy is useless..

I think swamy made that comment on 1962, since, Russians fingered him not so politely as a Chinese spokesperson. After all, Swamy is best friends with NRam, editor of Hindu.

Need I say more..
 

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Ruskis will help with emergency purchase and consumables under existing treaties, but no "alignment" toward India.


The price we pay for being a strategic-hijda (not picking one side). NAMardgi.
Eventually people always side with the winner. So we have to show a win and after that the list of potential allies will be endless. Nobody wants to go with a loser.
 

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You are of course wrong. You falsely imagine Putin and Xi are plotting against India together. This is very negative thinking.

This is the kind of negative thinking that is putting India down.

Me thinks just get what you can from other countries. Put own industry in high gear. BUT goddamn prepare for war. Don't sit on your backsides over-analyzing.
Oh you got me wrong I am talking about our sad state. What has changed after Kargil ? We did emergency purchasing then we are doing the same now. Where is the learning? I mean its such a sad state of affairs. I will not believe all this war time "reform" announcements until I see them in the hands of our brave hearts.
 

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Bam one troll account puts clicbait tweet and meltdown starts wtf is wrong with people 😂
Anyways last night saw a tweet got interesting info Rohit Suri is accompaning Rajnath to Moscow..Some crispy deals are going behind d scene
Anyways GM
 

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Oh you got me wrong I am talking about our sad state. What has changed after Kargil ? We did emergency purchasing then we are doing the same now. Where is the learning? I mean its such a sad state of affairs. I will not believe all this war time "reform" announcements until I see them in the hands of our brave hearts.
The state of affairs is because there is too much inertia in the system. Too much deadwood.
The organs of State have never been prepared for serious warfare.

So there will be chaos initially. So be prepared for reverses. But IF India stands together, India will push back hard. Again read USSR and world war 2.
 

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Not a viable option. Russia no longer has industrial capacity to churn things out quickly. It is not USSR.

Only option is to look towards USA. As I said before, India should try to get 100-150 F-16s with weapons.

Russian don't have to churn out , Those mig 29s are already built and available in 25 million $ add 15 million dollars for Radars , avionics etc and in about 40 million dollars we can get UPG standard mig29 , we already have infrastructure and trained pilots for 29 , so according to me it is not a bad idea if we want to increase our squadron strength quickly .
 

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The fact that we have to rush to other countries to get emergency fighters, missiles etc leaves a bad taste.

It shows how complacent everyone has been in terms to defense desalinization.

Last few years have been OK/good, nothing spectacular though.
We need policy as well as attitude change to defense manufacturing in India,
High time we give free reign to private companies and let defense PSU's compete for contracts..
 

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The probability that India and China will fight a war in the next 10 to 15 years is high. We should prepare for it by having the Central Police Forces and Paramilitary Forces training with the Armed forces every year. Using our Police forces and paramilitary as anchor forces would give the Army leeway to spare men and material to be used on the front.
The proposal that the government has to start a 3-year "internship" is also a good idea. Just make those who serve for 4 years and then retire be part of the reserve for 10 to 15 years, with a yearly refresher course.
 

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While his tone is always irksome, this man is knowledgeable (especially about China) although he seems to have a soft spot for them.
I wonder though, won't it be terrible weather for offensive ops in September?
September is a perfect time for offensive for both sides. After 15 Sept Northern part of India receives very less rain. After October there is snow in mountains.
 

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Russian don't have to churn out , Those mig 29s are already built and available in 25 million $ add 15 million dollars for Radars , avionics etc and in about 40 million dollars we can get UPG standard mig29 , we already have infrastructure and trained pilots for 29 , so according to me it is not a bad idea if we want to increase our squadron strength quickly .
I think we already placed orders for available Mig-29. There are no more.

In case of conflict, India may need hundreds of additional fighters. Plus their weapons.
 

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The fact that we have to rush to other countries to get emergency fighters, missiles etc leaves a bad taste.

It shows how complacent everyone has been in terms to defense desalinization.

Last few years have been OK/good, nothing spectacular though.
We need policy as well as attitude change to defense manufacturing in India,
High time we give free reign to private companies and let defense PSU's compete for contracts..
Building a Military Industrial Complex as huge as that of America , Russia or Even China is not about only technology, it has several different elements such as a strong and influential foreign policy. These MIC's cannot and will not sustain unless you have huge export orders, a thriving economy to aid their R&D etc.
 

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Ruskis will help with emergency purchase and consumables under existing treaties, but no "alignment" toward India.


The price we pay for being a strategic-hijda (not picking one side). NAMardgi.
It is a direct signal to India ... to what extend Russia can be with India in time of crisis ... Today's Russia is different from USSR...

Now India is free to do whatever is best for India's interest ... We will see India more direct with aligning with US and Europe ... In fact Russia made it easier for India ...

India for sure will also reduce dependency on Russian arms and more indigenous development effort ...
 

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I think we already placed orders for available Mig-29. There are no more.

In case of conflict, India may need hundreds of additional fighters. Plus their weapons.
Some experts have said that the IAF needs 60 sqns to fight a two front war. That is double of what we have today. No way can we attain/afford that unless and until we go the whole hog on indigenous weapon systems. We need to bet big on the LCA MK2, ORCA, AMCA while buying 2-4 sqns of cutting edge aircraft from abroad. IMHO the MMRCA 2.0 is not of much use. The way our procurement works, the aircraft will only start arriving close to 2030 and will already be outdated. Buy more LCA MK 1a's and ask the US for about 2-3 sqns of F-35s off the shelf. Lets see if the US is willing to walk the talk.
 

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Not a viable option. Russia no longer has industrial capacity to churn things out quickly. It is not USSR.

Only option is to look towards USA. As I said before, India should try to get 100-150 F-16s with weapons.
And how will we give enough of our pilots adequate training in this timeframe?
 

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🎵Do ya thang🎶
Guess everything’s pointing to a clash very soon. Makes sense why the AF wants to go for emergency purchases.
As much as a wish for it to happen, I would take his predictions with a pinch of salt. Forget international affairs, his prediction for recent New Delhi election was that BJP would sweep with a 41+ seat win. We all know how that ended : /
 
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