India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[rockrocky]

 

[Tuco]

I too believe that this was prisoner swap, it will be foolish to think that they have released the personal cause of their big heart. They definitely would have bargained for land or something else in return for our people. But I will say this even after the current incident if our govt doesn't change its policies towards China then there will be no one else to blame for not congress not anyone.

 

[BangaliBabu]

One thing that irks me and also surprises me is the "landslide" theory of the Chinese. The Chinese very well laid an ambush. But saying that most of them fell down into a deep gorge and not in the 10s but in a much larger number due the land "breaking up" beneath their feet is pure fantasy. They must have laid the ambush knowings the positives and pitfalls of the landscape where the fight took.

More obvious is the fact that they wanted to kidnap the entire patrolling party and negotiate their release in exchange of Galwan Valley. Otherwise, they'll kill them then. Things went really awry when the patrolling party took up a brutal fight. With the melees the Chinese had, it was obvious they would have won without losing their men, not even one would have been hurt or dead.

I think this opinion will gain a stronger traction with time: that the Indian side used massive artillery barrage with immediate consequences on both the patrolling party and on the Chinese ones, sensing the patrolling party is in dire danger. The land there was pulverized in arty strike/s and four of our brave men couldn't escape in time and fell along with the Chinese scums. Also, a whole bunch of Chinese camps in the Galwan Valley cannot surely be set on fire by a group of 55 men without all of them being either kidnapped or dead.

If I were the Chinese, and in my way of negotiations, I'll try to kidnap your men cunningly and harm them later in exchange taking over the Valley.

The landslide theory and the camp-got-burnt-by-patrolling-party theory is plain and simple bullshit.

 

[here2where]

True. I try to keep my mouth shut because I don't have much idea about military affairs. But looking at a number of posts feel like those ppl are even not good enough to become security guards of an apartment .

Since last two days finding good and informative posts has become very difficult.

Looks like this forum has become a magnet to attract a lot of chutiyaas. (Sorry guys but I am getting frustated).

quality of discussion here is juvenile at best. 'when is war coming, iam bored/jobless/nothing better to do' is the vibe i get here. nothing mature. tying to separate genuinely good info from all the bombastic rants is a painful affair.

 

[revenge002]

I aslo saying that if they have our soldiers then definitely we aslo have some of there soldiers to you all watched that vedio all Chinese are present but our capture one of Chinese in front of there eyes.

 

[cereal killer]

All this PoWs news makes one thing clear Indian media is not very good in the best of times & worse during a conflict.

 

[AmitG]

Modi has a cult like following. All he has to do is come live and give an awesome speech and the public will back him to the end.
I've personally seen the look in my (non military) family's eyes when he said "maarte maarte mare hain" in the last speech.

If all that is needed is public support, it will be there.
Just got to ask for it.

Nothing to do with Modi. The Indian public will back any govt to the hilt when it comes to defending the country's borders. This has been proved time and again over the decades.
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This is not about Modi or one single party. This is about the nations security. I personally have a huge problem with the BJP using the Indian armed forces and lives of soldiers for their propaganda and election purposes and their attempt to polictise the armed forces. The armed forces should always remain neutral. That is the strength of not only the Indian armed forces but the country as a whole.

But that is neither here nor there in the current situation. Mr. Modi is currently the Prime Minister of the country and win or loose every Indian will support the govt to the hilt for any action the govt decides to take. Just don't let the Chinese browbeat us.

 

[Blue Water Navy]

Why would chinese give anything if they are having upper hand.There is a big card we are holding otherwise they wouldn't have kept quiet after more that 43 of theirs died.

I believe that the morale of PLA is broken specially of their front line troops who are stationed at Galwaan. Now they are mulling about their casualties if an armed conflict do broke out.

 

[Niks_12]

Theories abound that this was in the Pangong Tso fingers area and India has captured fingers 4-8, pinning the PLA invading force at Sirijap. Hence, the urgency for POW exchange from the Chinis, who don't give anything out for free from a position of strength. No confirmed source, so take it for what it's worth.

 

[Blue Water Navy]

All this PoWs news makes one thing clear Indian media is not very good in the best of times & worse during a conflict.

Indian media remains too much busy picking pics of worthless B-townies.

 

[here2where]

There are no MIA troops AFAIK. It was a prisoner swap since Chinese don't give away anything for free or goodwill as some bleeding hearts contend.

MIA/PoW/etc are all point to same no? MIA from our PoV and PoW from theirs.
When we had missing soldiers who were PoW across the LAC, why did our brass say no MIAs? !!

 

[AsuraKiller203]

Game has just started and this is the first time chicoms are shitting bricks! Not just because they are scared of IA, it's a different game they have gitten trapped into, even pakistan won't get into their mess. Never seen chinese shiver so much, I don't think so it's just their high causality rates, they had high casualty rates even in 1962, it's something else, it's more to do with so many nations wants to give it back to them and IA is in no mood to back off, PLA is scared hence such messaging. However, if you keep your guard down, then expect a beating! But, chicoms and PLA is scared it's catch-22 for them. It's not over and we are in it for a long haul. Things will unravel with time to come.

- Good to be back after a long time!

Sir, I have been lurking since 2009 and enjoyed reading many of your posts in that era. Good to see you!

 

[revenge002]

One thing is clear our dumb fuck journos have every little bit details about our army in Ladakh but these motherfuckers don't have single detail about chinkis.

 

[Suhaan]

Indian media is all about Saas Bahu aur TV ,they see everything as Saas Bahu drama which is quit evident in their reporting on such situations
They lack information warfare

 

[Blue Water Navy]

 

[Bhadra]

Indian media remains too much busy picking pics of worthless B-townies.

Karina and Taimur is their favorite...

 

[AmitG]

Theories abound that this was in the Pangong Tso fingers area and India has captured fingers 4-8, pinning the PLA invading force at Sirijap. Hence, the urgency for POW exchange from the Chinis, who don't give anything out for free from a position of strength. No confirmed source, so take it for what it's worth.

Could be. Maybe that's why the Chinese movements in Chushul. As you said, unconfirmed sources, but indications are that the Chinese threatened to harm the POWs and the IA told them that in that case get ready to say bye bye to your surrounded comrades.Figures of 250 odd are thrown around. Again a disclaimer, all unconfirmed reports. Take it as you will.

 

[Akula]

All this PoWs news makes one thing clear Indian media is not very good in the best of times & worse during a conflict.

Indian media is TRP hungry and doesn't know anything.

 

[tarunraju]

Got word from a very reliable source that AAI, GMR and GVK are cancelling large contracts with Chinese firms for supply of airport aerobridges and baggage handling infrastructure (in favor of Dutch, German, and American firms such as Van der Lande, United Technologies, Thyssen Krupp, etc). This is big because GVK/CIDCO is executing Navi Mumbai international airport (100 million pax/yr), and GMR is executing IGIA T1 expansion (30 million pax/yr just for T1), RGIA expansion (50 million pax/yr when completed), Goa-Mopa International (25 million pax/yr), etc. Also AAI (through contractors like L&T and HCC) is executing terminal expansions all over India (such as Lucknow, Jaipur, Vizag, etc).

This is a multi billion dollar loss for chicom firms.

 

[Blue Water Navy]

One thing is clear our dumb fuck journos have every little bit details about our army in Ladakh but these motherfuckers don't have single detail about chinkis.

I believe that everytime these things happen whether it is Kargil, balakot, pathankot or galwaan. Everyone blames the intelligence community and its not entirely incorrect.

But nobody does something to increase their power. And I am not talking about getting fancy new satellites or new equipment. I am talking about giving them privileges and/or power as much as they need. I mean look at the CIA, Mossad or MI6.

We often claim that we are a superpower or will be. But the main thing is first we have to act like one. Show some courage and throw back the Chinkis from where they came from. Capture a few of them and then parade them in national channels. Its time PLA tastes some of their own medicine.