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🙄 i think that would be obvious and i doubt it would come to that . i dont think oli is that insane .
We cannot fund the sugar baby oli motherfucker.

So they can teach Mandarin to their children and tomorrow can include themselves as a new province in China...All the best.
 

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Just a particularly strong parsee sense of humour. He was asked what would have happened if he has chosen the Pakistani army and he replied that they would have won the war in that case. There was nothing more there.
Thank you. Context is most important .
 

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Hum itne chutiya he ki hume Nepal bhi dhamki de rha he.

Some people here said that Indian businessmen are robbing Nepali people..So heres the solution.

Nepal being a landlocked country can go fuck themselves and we should lock the border.

Ask sugar daddy china to supply oil and food items.

No jobs for Nepali citizen in India.China can provide that.

Our emoloyment rate sucks and we are helping bloody bangladeshi and nepali and for what?

Nepalis hate Indians...coz they are jealous of our success.Same is the reason for Bangladeshi hating us and also sri lankans.

We are fucking 1.4 billion and instead of spending money on taking care of our adivasis we are putting that in Nepal.

And now to this argument that Nepal will become china...Let it fucking become like Sri lanka has and just announce...We will bomb the fuck out of any country around us which gives shelter to anti india powers..like we did in Balakot.

Oh by the way the suckers will come and say Gurkhas are gods in battlefield...bullshit!

Gurkhas commited Jallianwala bagh...Gurkhas surrendered in Sierra Leone..they are not god so stop sucking upto them.

And by the way the highest awarded regtt in India is SIKHLI!!!!
i can understand your sentiment. but here is my 2 cents. when we are playing long test match against a worthy opponent, we don't have to hit every single ball that's being delivered. we only play those ball in which we have the potential to score a point. Nepal is one of those ball which is best ignored for the time being. in ground reality its not going to make any difference even if they claim either universe on their maps.

i understand that we show nepal it's place. but not today. wait for a month or so and then we can starting retaliating like raising tariff, closing open borders etc.
 

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That is ok..i am saying if the military uses these assets to target us why should we not bomb them?

our people are poor and jobless and you guys want us to get in a brothel type of money spending spree where these bankrupt nations are dancing nude for the countries that spend cash on them?

We dont have money bro.
Yes we can. But as last option. Sri Lanka knows we punished it for the 1965 (or 1971?) decision to let Pakistani military aircraft to land on its soil and provide logistical support.

But in the case of Nepal, you need to understand a government that has divested itself of bonafide interest of it's people, at least a section of them.
Thus should be dealt accordingly.
 

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i can understand your sentiment. but here is my 2 cents. when we are playing long test match against a worthy opponent, we don't have to hit every single ball that's being delivered. we only play those ball in which we have the potential to score a point. Nepal is one of those ball which is best ignored for the time being. in ground reality its not going to make any difference even if they claim either universe on their maps.

i understand that we show nepal it's place. but not today. wait for a month or so and then we can starting retaliating like raising tariff, closing open borders etc.
Arey i am chill i dont know why i come across as being emotional...i use curse words a lot as i am Naarrrth Indian.

Test match you say...so how long to play it?

In 20 years we will have mandarin speaking adults all across nepal.

Once they speak mandarin do you think that you will win the test match?
 

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Yes we can. But as last option. Sri Lanka knows we punished it for the 1965 (or 1971?) decision to let Pakistani military aircraft to land on its soil and provide logistical support.

But in the case of Nepal, you need to understand a government that has divested itself of bonafide interest of it's people, at least a section of them.
Thus should be dealt accordingly.
I think the sentiment that is holding us is "hindu nation nepal".

Or we would have done something.
 

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Nepal is readying itself to become new province of China and here are people going shanti shanti at them. Modi aur Gadkari has already dropped their clothes to dance for the Chinese, next Nepal and Pakistan will come and spitroast them for free.

Congress was anti-Indian in the first place, so no hopes from them but this is a Hindu nationalist govt?? Hain??

Bol hi dete, aage se Ghar ke maa behen ko bech dete Pakio ki tarah, itna chutuyanirbharrrr karneka tamasha kyun? Roz roz Tarah Tarah k naye towel bandh k pyaare deshvasiyooooo mitroooo karte waqt bolhi dete ki hume bhi bech rahe hai BJP ki election funds k liye, Modi ki Tarah hum bhi Gand marwane k stall laga Lete.


Chup bsdk, shanti apne pas rakh. Nepali goli Kar rahe Hain, paki kidnap Kar rahe Hain, China k sath ludo khel Raha hai aur yahan shanti, aur bhaichaara ho raha hai.

Theek hi hai, RSS bhi ajkal secularism aur Swadeshi Kar rahe Hain, Hindu organisation toh hai Nahi. Unke pracharak thoda international ban Gaye, toh Nepal aur China se mitrooon ki Gand Marwa rahe hai.

Kab Kaffir ki rape aur gala katneka shubh muhrat hai boldena, aa jaunga shanti, shanti bolke Gadkari ki Tarah. Uske siwa aur Kuch toh Hoga Nahi.
 

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Nepal is readying itself to become new province of China and here are people going shanti shanti at them. Modi aur Gadkari has already dropped their clothes to dance for the Chinese, next Nepal and Pakistan will come and spitroast them for free.

Congress was anti-Indian in the first place, so no hopes from them but this is a Hindu nationalist govt?? Hain??

Bol hi dete, aage se Ghar ke maa behen ko bech dete Pakio ki tarah, itna chutuyanirbharrrr karneka tamasha kyun? Roz roz Tarah Tarah k naye towel bandh k pyaare deshvasiyooooo mitroooo karte waqt bolhi dete ki hume bhi bech rahe hai BJP ki election funds k liye, Modi ki Tarah hum bhi Gand marwane k stall laga Lete.


Chup bsdk, shanti apne pas rakh. Nepali goli Kar rahe Hain, paki kidnap Kar rahe Hain, China k sath ludo khel Raha hai aur yahan shanti, aur bhaichaara ho raha hai.

Theek hi hai, RSS bhi ajkal secularism aur Swadeshi Kar rahe Hain, Hindu organisation toh hai Nahi. Unke pracharak thoda international ban Gaye, toh Nepal aur China se mitrooon ki Gand Marwa rahe hai.

Kab Kaffir ki rape aur gala katneka shubh muhrat hai boldena, aa jaunga shanti, shanti bolke Gadkari ki Tarah. Uske siwa aur Kuch toh Hoga Nahi.
Thanks to Nepal..


IC814
Funding Maoists in India
Fake currency rackets
Hundreds of Paki terrorists
Killing innocent Indians

Kitna aur?
 

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Nepal is readying itself to become new province of China and here are people going shanti shanti at them. Modi aur Gadkari has already dropped their clothes to dance for the Chinese, next Nepal and Pakistan will come and spitroast them for free.

Congress was anti-Indian in the first place, so no hopes from them but this is a Hindu nationalist govt?? Hain??

Bol hi dete, aage se Ghar ke maa behen ko bech dete Pakio ki tarah, itna chutuyanirbharrrr karneka tamasha kyun? Roz roz Tarah Tarah k naye towel bandh k pyaare deshvasiyooooo mitroooo karte waqt bolhi dete ki hume bhi bech rahe hai BJP ki election funds k liye, Modi ki Tarah hum bhi Gand marwane k stall laga Lete.


Chup bsdk, shanti apne pas rakh. Nepali goli Kar rahe Hain, paki kidnap Kar rahe Hain, China k sath ludo khel Raha hai aur yahan shanti, aur bhaichaara ho raha hai.

Theek hi hai, RSS bhi ajkal secularism aur Swadeshi Kar rahe Hain, Hindu organisation toh hai Nahi. Unke pracharak thoda international ban Gaye, toh Nepal aur China se mitrooon ki Gand Marwa rahe hai.

Kab Kaffir ki rape aur gala katneka shubh muhrat hai boldena, aa jaunga shanti, shanti bolke Gadkari ki Tarah. Uske siwa aur Kuch toh Hoga Nahi.
Now u r overstretching things
 

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Time to take on the neighbourhood bully

Shiv Kunal Verma

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File photo of ITBP personnel and Chinese soldiers somewhere near the LAC in the Ladakh sector. ANI
Georg Hegel says we learn from history that we have never learnt from history. In the context of Indo-Sino relations, this couldn’t be more true. Fifty-eight years after getting our tail tweaked, not so much by the Chinese, but by our own inept handling of the situation, we as a people and a nation are making a mockery of our own standing. In 2020, when the world is staring at multiple crises, perhaps among the worst ever, we didn’t light the fire on the northern borders, but now that it has been started, let’s play the game to win… for as Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw said to the Indian Military Academy passing out gentlemen cadets in 2002, “There is no place for a loser. If you lose, even your gharwali will not look at you.” That couldn’t be more true!
In 1962, whether it was 2 Rajput at Nam Ka Chu, 1 Sikh at Bumla, 4 Garhwal Rifles at Nuranang and Sela, 5 Guards at Thembang, 6 Kumaon and 4 Sikh at Walong, 5 Jat at Galwan or 13 Kumaon at Rezangla, the men fought and died with tremendous dignity and bravery. The trouble on all these occasions was the complete panic and chaos behind them—instead of reinforcing their success and taking the fight to the Chinese. Indian casualties galloped when the men were ordered to withdraw, not so much when they stood their ground and fought.
The Indian Army can more than easily take care of the borders, but the pin pricks and infiltration tactics will continue to make us bleed so long as we continue to deal with the border problem with blinkers on. Part of the Chinese game plan is to fan the fear psychology and I must say we have quite a few paper tigers amongst us doing just that. Chief among them is a person (I refuse to call him an officer) who in 2012 masterminded the blue print for India to withdraw from Siachen under instructions from the then powers that be. In 2020, he would have the government of the day rush headlong into an offensive just to counter his taunts. Anyway, the threat to India has always been from within and so long as we understand that, all the drum beaters who are behaving like a troop of twittering macaques at the sight of a leopard will be neutralised. On the larger canvas of time, I think the time has come for this country to stand up and change the narrative. And how!
We have been left with no option but to take the fight to the Chinese. It is not just with bayonets, rifles and missiles do we need to fight, we must fight them with everything we’ve got. But first we have to get our house in order—those not in power must not see this as Narendra Modi’s Waterloo a la Nehru, but stand together and shut the gates of Fortress India just this once. The government too must reach out to all parties and work out a common strategy. This cannot be an election issue, but a fight to take on the neighbourhood bully. We do that and half our battle is won!
As I said earlier, we didn’t start the fire—either in 2020 or in 1962. China, ever since it became the PRC under Mao, has ridden roughshod over India, which, in this bilateral relationship, ever since 1962, has adopted a submissive posture. Combined with the fact that most of mankind was exhausted by WWII and unlikely to take on Chinese expansion, Chairman Mao pulled off the largest real estate heist by annexing first Sinkiang and then Tibet. As a result, post-Independent India, which had nothing to do with China, suddenly had it as its northern neighbour, extending across 3,500 km of the most hostile terrain on the planet extending from Indira Point in Siachen in the west to Kibithu in the east.
Militarily, we as a nation failed to hold the Chinese in 1962 for a variety of reasons, most of which are brought out in my book published by Aleph (1962: The War That Wasn’t). At the time, 99% of India was too busy fighting for survival after 200 years of colonialism had ravaged the country, to be aware of the country’s frontiers, let alone worry about it. As a result, even after the military skirmish in 1962, few knew why we had fought the Chinese. Despite being the victim, we threw in the towel and a panicky leadership was just grateful that the Chinese went back to the McMahon Line.
The story is different now; 58 years later the history is known and the facts are indisputable. What China did in 1949, the 1950s and early 1960s was just plain and simple armed robbery—take what you want and kill those who stand in your way. They wanted Sinkiang and Tibet—they took it. They then needed the Aksai Chin to link these two—they took it.
Regardless of what and how the government of the day decides to do to defuse the immediate issue in Ladakh, we, as a nation, need to revisit these key issues. Today, in the comity of nations, China is striving to be seen as a “responsible” country and has repeatedly said it respects the “mechanisms” that are in place for a dialogue to sort out problems. So, let’s, for once, armed with the knowledge we have now, take them on. For a change let us start the fire! If we do not do that, India’s runt status in the face of Chinese aggression will keep haunting us and we will keep debating where Claim Line 1, Claim Line 2 and Claim Line 3 are. You may already have a Claim Line 4 and this will continue unless we outstare Xi Jinping and the rest of PRC.
TAKE CHINA TO ICJ
Let us revisit these key issues now—McMahon Line (1913/14), the ceding of the Shaksgham Valley by Pakistan to China, Aksai Chin, even Tibet. We put the facts before our people and also the rest of the world and ask China to walk the talk, take the matter to the International Court of Justice. The border with Tibet was based on the survey done by Captains Morshead and Baily in 1913, who demarcated the watershed (it is not a thick pencil line on a map open to interpretation, as again some of our learned friends would want us to believe!) and it was firmed up the next year at Simla.
Why would China agree to take the matter to the ICJ? Well, for a start, Government of India must start a major global campaign placing the facts before the rest of the world. The narrative is so blatantly in our favour, I wonder why we’ve never aggressively done it before. But more than the international community, the narrative needs to be understood by our own people, who then must unite and shut China out. Take your market away in real terms, it will hurt our northern neighbour much more than artillery guns opening up all along the border.
Xi Jinping is not an idiot, nor is the Communist Party that runs China today. A whimpering India grovelling at the feet of the US is a threat to their China and it is their natural instinct to rub the Indian nose further in the dust. Not just the Chinese, every bully will always whack the other guy every time he passes him by. Turn the tables, and let’s see where it goes. Geographically and logically, a Russia-China-India partnership benefits our northern friends a lot more than the current state of affairs.
I would actually go a step further and advocate we take on Pakistan as well—your two-front offensive! We took the matter of J&K to the UN in 1949 and it stalled mainly because of geo-political reasons that we failed to understand then. Post-1963, after Pakistan ceded the Shaksgam Valley and cosily got into bed with Mao, it became the cat’s paw for China to play with India. The biggest chunk of Indian territory occupied in J&K is today effectively under Chinese control, and that includes the Northern Areas and the Gilgit Agency, which is legally Indian territory, again usurped by armed tribal hordes and the Pakistan army.
The basic evidence is all there in my two books, The Long Road to Siachen: The Question Why (Rupa) and the 1962 book. If with my limited resources and dedicated research I as an individual can trace these facts, I see no reason why all the evidence cannot be put together to make our case in front of the rest of the world. We the people need to see the situation with this historical perspective and then take on the Chinese with real facts, rather than flit around deliberately created “pinpricks” that throw everything off balance. We must also remember that all the Chinese records pertaining to Tibet are with the Taiwan government, and not the PRC. Those maps and agreements tell a very different story from what Mao and his successors would have us believe. This will probably apply to other occupied regions as well.
At the end of the day, geopolitics is a game of perceptions and we are dealing with China that today has the kind of resources which are hard to imagine. Economically and otherwise, they may be light years ahead of us, and they do not shy away from investing in “perception management”. After the communists came to power in Nepal, for example, the first thing the Chinese did was to buy out most of their media companies. Today, even our friendly neighbourhood brother, who has everything in common with us and nothing in common with China, is dancing in the streets and waving khukris in the air.
We are dealing with a dangerous adversary who will exploit every chink in our armour to keep us off balance. God alone knows we are our worst enemies, having systematically weakened our own security apparatus. But our Army and security forces have, thanks partly to the Chinese, become battle hardened from years of fighting insurgencies. We need to up the ante, especially vis-à-vis our paramilitary forces that need to be sharpened. It is worth remembering the PLA got its nose bloodied by the Vietnamese Border Guards when it last tried to venture forth into someone else’s land. We need to put all the gulli danda nonsense of the past behind us and get our act together.
There are plenty of domain experts out there. Prime Minister Modi and his government now need to pick the right team. We as Indians, have today run out of options. We either stand up and hold our ground, or we might as well open up our companies to 100% Chinese investment.
China is often depicted as the dragon. Our country’s motto is “Satyameva Jayate”…so let’s fight this war by these non-violent means and be prepared to fight if we have to. Tweak the dragon’s tail and let’s see what happens. Conventional wisdom tells us if you stand up to a bully, he quietly goes home. Otherwise he will always continue to have his knee on our neck.
Shiv Kunal Verma is the author of “1962: The War That Wasn’t” and “The Long Road to Siachen: The Question Why”. His forthcoming book, “1965: A Western Sunrise”, will be released by Aleph later this year.
I was seriously about to read this article then I saw some ultra legendary stuff Take China to ICJ lmao. Some of our people just don't get tired of UN & ICJ rant:crying::rofl:
 

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Now u r overstretching things
Nepal, Pakistan, aur China mazze loot rahe Hain aur hum overstretch Kar rahe Hain?

Ye mere Gand mein aam Ka pedh laga k Uske chhao mein mera gand Marlo, ghuma firake shantidoot banneka natak kyun? Ye lawda PM balcony se thala bajayega jab Nepali hume goli marenge aur Paki humare Ghar k maa-beheno ko uthake le Jayega.


Such is our fate. One side there is fucking Congress, other side Congress with another name.
 

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Arey i am chill i dont know why i come across as being emotional...i use curse words a lot as i am Naarrrth Indian.

Test match you say...so how long to play it?

In 20 years we will have mandarin speaking adults all across nepal.

Once they speak mandarin do you think that you will win the test match?
that's more problem for Nepal then India. i am forecasting a quick, short and decisive bloody world war within next 5-8 years. you all can come back to his post and click the like button in next few years if my prophecy becomes true.
oh and by the way, we can also win the match from follow-on :hehe: (pun intended)
 

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that's more problem for Nepal then India. i am forecasting a quick, short and decisive bloody world war within next 5-8 years. you all can come back to his post and click the like button in next few years if my prophecy becomes true.
oh and by the way, we can also win the match from follow-on :hehe: (pun intended)
War between who?

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Please stop this Nepal and Gurkha discussion...

Nepal is our neighbour but a sovereign country all right. They have all the rights to use their sovereignty including in selling their airports to the Chines. Indians would say they should not do it. I agree but they can not be stopped by showing them eyes.

Gorkhas in the Army is the national decision but till they are our soldiers they have the same rights as our JAT or SIKH soldiers. It is very very stupid to insult our soldiers. They so far have the best battle performances in Independent India's military history, are absolutely loyal and professionals. Much better than many of our so-called patriots insulting them.. They along with the citizens of Bhutan and erstwhile Burma and Now Pakistan inhabitants have constitutional right to seek jobs including in the Armed Forces, IAS and IPS and own properties at par with Indian citizens. The same rights are extended to Indian citizens in Nepal.

Not only that we have a very large Ex servicemen community amongst Nepali population which is India;s strategic asset in their society. We run a Hospital and Medical College there.

Nepal is the biggest Market for bajaj pilsar, Hero honda, Maruti Suzuki , Indian trucks and all consumer goods. Their 99 percent officers are from IMA and their Army Chief is honorary Chief of Indian Army...

Please be judicious and careful... Baba Ram dev and Balkrishna are good enough to hold and sway Nepal.. No one will ask you anything except that you do not abuse them like this... That is against good neighbourly behaviour..
 

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If we go by your logic we should have bombed Maldives also . but look how that turned out . We have no choice but to play the long game , just wait and watch .
Maldives is not trying to occupy Indian territory.
Nepal is laying eyes on indian land it's like a direct threat neither Maldives or siri lanka have done that so level of escalation is much more higher with nepal. They are now placing much more armed men on indo-nepal border.
 
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