India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[AsuraKiller203]

Lots of inactive accounts suddenly spewing non-sense oneliners everytime India does something good at the borders

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Lots of inactive accounts suddenly spewing non-sense oneliners everytime India does something good at the borders

What good ? Did India do something???

 

[scatterStorm]

You trust jha over GOI? Seriouslyyyyy

GOI can also detain information reaching from public. Its not the first time its happening in India. Think rationally for a moment. The repercussion of knowing that our troops were detained is not only laughable but demoralizing.

It shows that we are there bitch. Enough said.

 

[FGFAPilot1]

GOI can also detain information reaching from public. Its not the first time its happening in India. Think rationally for a moment. The repercussion of knowing that our troops were detained is not only laughable but demoralizing.

It shows that we are there bitch. Enough said.

I personally don't give a shit if we somehow 'maintain the status quo' on the ground, capture one important 'Finger' or even win a small skirmish, if you're losing area and cannot gain any for decades then you are a bitch of China.

 

[scatterStorm]

I hate to spoil everyone's mood here.

I was looking at the Doklam plateau, post-2017 standoff, and to my utter surprise, the whole plateau has been captured by Chinese!

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I mean, has the whole posturing and standoff by the Indian military on behalf of Bhutan a whole waste? What was the Indian military doing?

Give me the coordinates please.

 

[scatterStorm]

I personally don't give a shit if we somehow 'maintain the status quo' on the ground, capture one important 'Finger' or even win a small skirmish, if you're losing area and cannot gain any for decades then you are a bitch of China.

Absolutely, diplomacy and political angle can extend the time period, enough for the PLA troops to occupy it and later will become a sovereign claim on land, "look we are already here so, now go fuck off".

 

[Suryavanshi]

GOI can also detain information reaching from public. Its not the first time its happening in India. Think rationally for a moment. The repercussion of knowing that our troops were detained is not only laughable but demoralizing

Either reports haven't been confirmed yet so hold your horses.

It shows that we are there bitch. Enough said

What's this dhoti Shivering of yours.
Stop it.
Round 1 has finished but the game is till on.
No one is bitch or chad yet.
You descended in this kind of foolery even during the balakot strike.

Wait for some time and think with a calm mind without drawing conclusions on a whim.

 

[captscooby81]

You need to be always worried more about people who talk soft and carry a knife behind their back

He was GoC Eastern command just after Doklam crisis ,So he might very well know what the chinese tactics in these parts

Current Army Chief does not look like a tough guy like GD Bakshi or VK Singh...

Recently he said that Chinese soldier and planes helicopter crossing indian line is not a big deal and keeps happening regularly..

What was his message..

Being a protector of border this kind of statement does not suit him

 

[Bhadra]

I personally don't give a shit if we somehow 'maintain the status quo' on the ground, capture one important 'Finger' or even win a small skirmish, if you're losing area and cannot gain any for decades then you are a bitch of China.

Please spell out what should be done not to be a bitch of China. Can you ??

 

[Rudy123]

Try to understand situation on ground first. There are no new occupation from PLA but incursions.

If you look from neutral perspective then provocation is from Indian side. Provocation does not always mean occupation/incursion, changing decade old status quo/patrol pattern also considered as provocation.

Problem with India is, if China build infrastructure on their end then India build reciprocal infra in the same area. But with China, if India initiate infra work then they respond with incursions. Present Ladakh case is not about different perception of demarcation. But about Indian infra work at a strategic place where china have nothing to counter.

This situation can be resolved with dialogue or by grip on pressure points.

Why Galawan bridge is strategic:

At present scenario we have infra on one side of Shyok river which is narrow to 4 km from LAC at Galawan valley. But in north of Galawan this width widens. Our infra does not seem to cross Shyok, we man those area by foot patrolling. But once we cross Shyok we have better control and movement on large area between LAC and Shyok.

 

[Bhadra]

The trend continues I guess. Slowly and slowly more and more Indian territories become 'disputed' and we just wait for the 'opportune' time to do anything against it.

It certainly pays more to be a 'good' boy.

This is not a correct perspective of looking at things factually and rationally?
What is India and where are Indian boundaries need to be understood from the Indian point of view as also from the Point of View of the other party.

Everything that is undefined and not bound by treaties or conventions or mutual understanding is a dispute. The dispute itself means contrary claims.

The boundary between India and China is neither agreed upon nor defined in mutually accepted manners. So much so that both sides have not given their perception of boundaries to each other. There are no declared claims and that is why claims can keep popping up from time to time at the convenience of each other.

Chinese claims have been varying and flexible. Sometimes they say they do not recognize McMahon Line, then they say they recognize watershed, then they say they say they recognize the line of their troops holding ground after 1962, then they say entire Arunachal is their territory...

What and which line do you expect the Indian Army to defend. It is a line laid out by GOI to them but to them only. That is neither published not known nor declared. Indian Army defends that line..

How on earth any sucker in India ever say what India gained and what India lost. To say that there has to be a reference point... and what is that ??? That is the line of your holding .... only that is not negotiable. I do not think India has lost any thing there ..

It certainly is "might is right" on the "India - Tibet" border till both sides have an agreement. Agreement in dispute is reached when both sides so wish or one party emerges strong to force an agreement on the other...

The final question - have you made India strong enough to force an agreement on China ? If not . Stop crying and raising false flags..

 

[scatterStorm]

Either reports haven't been confirmed yet so hold your horses.

What's this dhoti Shivering of yours.
Stop it.
Round 1 has finished but the game is till on.
No one is bitch or chad yet.
You descended in this kind of foolery even during the balakot strike.

Wait for some time and think with a calm mind without drawing conclusions on a whim.

Dhoti shviering

Its ground reality only to be affirmed by our GOI.

• You cannot ignore and Shud things, just because you are comfortable.
• I am waiting for the GOI or MoD report on it. Or we might not get any because ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Being nationalistic is A OK, but putting blind faith isn't.
What make us different than CCP trolls?

I'll take different angles to a situation, than retorting to BS like "Dhoti Shivering" any day.

Post balakot incident, we failed on EW and BVR front.

• IAF is now seeking BVR armament.
• IAF is now seeking EW equipment's.

 

[Niks_12]

The CCP should know that 2 can play this game of incursion and brinkmanship. A great response would be if India does a similar land grab in a strategic area and stays put, forcing the Chinese to initiate negotiation first. The Chinese don’t have forward defenses on many areas across the LAC and depend greatly on their posh infra for mobilization. Let’s see how we handle the situation, I for all the pussyfooting in this thread, have full faith in the armed forces.

 

[scatterStorm]

I am just gonna put here:

At 2:26 hear it (LAC is not well defined so misinterpretations can occur, however they set temp tents)
That's inside LAC.

 

[cereal killer]

Well we should not lose any hope against Chinese and we should not believe US will directly get involved lets face it. If we would have won in 1962 China would have never dared to raise a eye against us. That nation has never won a significant victory against any country bar India thanks to Nehru & our ultra poor planning. That being said we will get loads of western intel regarding their troop movement & weaponary. Also mountain warfare is totally different thing & IA is now expert on this. More than Chinese army & Air force which I think we can handle our biggest threat would be Chinese short range missiles which are substantial. World already considers India to be much lesser power than China so we have nothing to lose. I wish instead of Ladakh the Centre of war should be Aksai Chin.

 

[Ajax01]

I dont see why people are jumping to conclusions , the press (particularly NDTV) used terms like detain. Where it has been clarified that usual Indian Patrols where stoppped by Chinese. Surely that isnt detaining them.

 

[fire starter]

winnie the pooh making his own country fool.

 

[Bhadra]

What is this line?.. Indian perception of LAC?

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This map shows ;

Tibet Xinjiang Road in Red
The line of Chinese control before the 1962 war... in black bold line

Line of control at ceasefire after 1962 .... dotted black line..

Box and red arrows I have marked to show Galwan Valley..

 

[Bhadra]

Try to understand situation on ground first. There are no new occupation from PLA but incursions.

If you look from neutral perspective then provocation is from Indian side. Provocation does not always mean occupation/incursion, changing decade old status quo/patrol pattern also considered as provocation.

Problem with India is, if China build infrastructure on their end then India build reciprocal infra in the same area. But with China, if India initiate infra work then they respond with incursions. Present Ladakh case is not about different perception of demarcation. But about Indian infra work at a strategic place where china have nothing to counter.

This situation can be resolved with dialogue or by grip on pressure points.

Why Galawan bridge is strategic:

At present scenario we have infra on one side of Shyok river which is narrow to 4 km from LAC at Galawan valley. But in north of Galawan this width widens. Our infra does not seem to cross Shyok, we man those area by foot patrolling. But once we cross Shyok we have better control and movement on large area between LAC and Shyok.

Well Mr Rudy, How can one forget that the flashpoint of 1962 operations in Ladakh was Galwan itself where about ten Indian posts remained encircled by the Chinese for about six months, Encirclement was as close as 20 yards.

The problem is that if Indian Army gets about 4km into Galwan valley, Chinese posts in Depsang and adjacent areas get cut off and encircled. That is what had happened in 1962.

India has all the right to move into its side of LAC. When LAC itself is not defined you can not blame Indian side of any provocation. It is different if you have a map of LAC as approved by the Chinese. Do share it....

 

[WARREN SS]

Non Alignment movement was a Nehruvian pipe dream which WILL have to come to an end if there's any hope for India.
I disagree with the dhoti-shivering that Warren is engaging in here but it's true.
Alliances are temporary and shrewd anyways.

Here's Russia and China who were mortal enemies a few years back and US and Vietnam who were killing and napalming each other and US and Japan pearl harboring and nuking each other and then there's us.
What good has been this "Non Alignment" to us? The only reason we were able to free Bangladesh without US intervention was thanks to Russian deterrence. (Thanks to *gasp* alliance)
We kept facing off against a Pakistan backed by the entire world (71 saw Pakistan backed by all Arab nations, China, NATO etc).

If history's taught us anything, it's that the sins of the father gets washed off in half a century and no one cares what happened 50 years ago.

Hell, Vietnam today has the MOST positive view of America out of ALL the countries on Earth (even America itself).

Stop the dhoti shivering, keep developing and preparing for the worst but SHAMELESSLY align with whoever serves our interests best.
Non alignment is a trash theory that serves no purpose borne out of a man who believed India didn't need an Army at all.

'Nehru wanted Army scrapped'

Biography of a major general says Kashmir war saved Army from being abolished.

m.hindustantimes.com

Dump it.

Realism is not dhori shivering

Corruption is plagued are System
Even Indian army is not far from corrupt system

Procurement. Delayed by Compromised
Political class of India

Deals like MMRCA And Indian artillery procurement
Is purposely delayed
This gives enemy to create statistical imbalance

Even Military which 5 times lower budget than ours
Successfully matched us in strategic platforms

They over matched us
EW and Firepower and Early air birne warming
Any deploying 10 AWACS


They got all out support from Chinese for there endeavor

While India is just juggling with Russians and USA who are also playing same with Pakistan

Many here will praise here about diplomacy
But in reality porkies are Effectively out matched us in That too
The situation is so bad that
Even Russians who are our long term allies not spoken openly for our support
In UNSC when Chinese started Raising Kashmir issue.
They remain neutral
France which is long term nato allies backed us

I am just did analysis of Situation
India
Pakistan and Chinese jointly sandwiched us on our borders

And we don't have one strategic ally to actually criticized Chinese hegemony

Can Russia think same by Invading borders of Nato countries

If We are some how pushed in Two front war which can happen after so much pressure on China due to Covid-19
Look at what they doing Hongkong or Taiwan
Or in pok

Whatever we claim about Indian first
Class democracy
Reality is Pakistan has Chinese
Backing an Statergic alliance