India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[Gandaberunda]

They can do many things:
1) Flame unrest with in India
2) Start beating wardrums
3) Start actively undermining of our economic interests
4) Use pak to open another front.

This will be retaliated in same way in SCS! If china comes to war they will be trashed in SCS by US

 

[rock127]

This is 2014-15 incident. Avalanche hit ITBP soldiers were rescued by PLA. This was reported by Global times itself now used by Chinese social media accounts for propaganda!

Links etc? Do you see the legs tied?

 

[Hellfire]

Now c17 can take Arjun directly to DBO airstrip.

Doubt it.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Even if CCP is right about India -USA forming an anti chinese alliance they cannot do anything.
They formed and alliance with Pakistan against India first.

It's beneficial for both of the countries to have strategic deterrent and have control over escalation ladder if we just throw that thing in gutter many things will substantially change for example. Talks and border mechanism will fail Chinese will change there fronts from South china sea towards india.
If you bring Americans border patrol soldiers which will have no value in real life if we are not considering them super human most of the intelligence and satellite cooperation is happening already in place.

Chinese will retaliate to this by building military infrastructure in POK.

 

[Hellfire]

They put a RR unit to LAC?

RR toh kacha chaba jayenge chini ko...dakar bhi nhi marenge!!

That is not a RR unit.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

They can do many things:
1) Flame unrest with in India
2) Start beating wardrums
3) Start actively undermining of our economic interests
4) Use pak to open another front.

They have already done almost all of the above.

 

[IndianHawk]

Doubt it.

C17 can fly with 77 ton load and it regularly lands at doulat beg oldie. From where a road parallel to lac.

It will be costly though.

 

[Gandaberunda]

Links etc? Do you see the legs tied?

You can go back in this thread already posted also on Twitter many posted and debunked on weibo it's clearly accepted by chene themselves PLA rescued ITBP troopers . Yes Avalanche hit soldiers were tagged by legs and carried. That Global times post is deleted now but still accessible by google

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Chinese will retaliate to this by building military infrastructure in POK.

They probably already started this ??

Chinese Army troops spotted along Line of Control in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir

The PLA troops were first spotted in the later part of the last year and ever since their presence was witnessed opposite Tangdhar sector as well.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[ezsasa]

This will be retaliated in same way in SCS! If china comes to war they will be trashed in SCS by US

we don't know that yet. the debate is still on in the U.S. outcome depends on Trump's reelection.
and let's not forget US has a habit of not caring for host country's nuances and typically bull doze thru with they giant bureaucracy. leaving the host country to keep taking direct hits, and americans keep issuing diktats from their safe mega island far far away.

 

[Hellfire]

There is no doubt on military. Indian troops will overwhelm Chinese and beat them black n blue if free hand is given.

That is way too optimistic. While there is no doubt that we shall be able to check Chinese ingress into the regions, a counter offensive to breach and make deep thrusts into enemy territory is slightly doubtful.

Recently in Sikkim Chinese CO was punched on nose for blabbering and end result the Junior commander was pulled out of deployment fearing further escalation.this happened in recognised IB and imagine what happens at LAC. This pussy footing has cost us dearly over the years... we have to change our defensive approach and thought process!

Sigh!

The YO was moved out for the reason that the brash action was indeed escalatory. But on the other hand, the officer has been commended. Please do not create a narrative that is inherently false.

In presence of a senior officer of own army, who was in command of the body of troops of which the YO was a member, the action of the YO without explicit orders being issued, while laudatory, still set a wrong precedence as an officer expected to lead his men into battle.

And before someone says that it is youthful exuberance - no, it is not. It is purely a spirited response where the thinking was limited to momentary action without an analysis of longer term fallout of action.

While the need for action, at times, may be overwhelming, action should only be taken when you are sure of achieving your objectives with minimal damage to you or your own.

 

[Hellfire]

C17 can fly with 77 ton load and it regularly lands at doulat beg oldie. From where a road parallel to lac.

If only environmental conditions, wind pattern and the prevalent flying conditions were so rigid so as to be able to give you the 77 Tonnes both at MSL and there .......!

There is a difference between slated and actual.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

we don't know that yet. the debate is still on in the U.S. outcome depends on Trump's reelection.
and let's not forget US has a habit of not caring for host country's nuances and typically bull doze thru with they giant bureaucracy. leaving the host country to keep taking direct hits, and americans keep issuing diktats from their safe mega island far far away.

This is usually the case with smaller countries where democracy being implemented.
Interesting to see how larger democratic countries are approached?

 

[Gandaberunda]

we don't know that yet. the debate is still on in the U.S.
and let's not forget US has a habit of not caring for host country's nuances and typically bull doze thru with they giant bureaucracy. leaving the host country to keep taking direct hits, and americans keep issuing diktats from their safe mega island far far away.

That's the reason we won't align with them neither we were interested to join NATO.
We know Yankees very well and kept them at Bay! We only signed logistics agreement because USN was security provider for international shipping lanes in Indian Ocean and our Navy aspires to be one replacing USN from gulf of Omen to Malacca strip. Other than that all US weapons bought are not front line weapons in our inventory! We're not minions of US to accept their thought process either in Afghan or in SCS. Even we rebutted his china mediation and blah blah on talks held with Modi regarding stand off!

 

[ezsasa]

This is usually the case with smaller countries where democracy being implemented.
Interesting to see how larger democratic countries are approached?

my current theory is that, even if there is a Indo-US military alliance against CCP, our chaps will not allow US military boots on our soil. we will be the rear guard protecting rest of asia while pacific being the main theatre.

other non-military like infra & tech co-ordination will continue.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

my current theory is that, even if there is a Indo-US military alliance against CCP, our chaps will not allow US military boots on our soil. we will be the rear guard protecting rest of asia while pacific being the main theatre.

other non-military like infra & tech co-ordination will continue.

I highly doubt US would want troops in India. USA would probably do naval operations.
Land battles would be left to India.

 

[Gandaberunda]

That is way too optimistic. While there is no doubt that we shall be able to check Chinese ingress into the regions, a counter offensive to breach and make deep thrusts into enemy territory is slightly doubtful.



Sigh!

The YO was moved out for the reason that the brash action was indeed escalatory. But on the other hand, the officer has been commended. Please do not create a narrative that is inherently false.

In presence of a senior officer of own army, who was in command of the body of troops of which the YO was a member, the action of the YO without explicit orders being issued, while laudatory, still set a wrong precedence as an officer expected to lead his men into battle.

And before someone says that it is youthful exuberance - no, it is not. It is purely a spirited response where the thinking was limited to momentary action without an analysis of longer term fallout of action.

While the need for action, at times, may be overwhelming, action should only be taken when you are sure of achieving your objectives with minimal damage to you or your own.

Well then chene has to think about that before blabbering rhetoric on IB. Okay then continue this shit tradition of fear mongering! Chene will invade Sikkim as senior commanding officer was following protocol and YO has to follow his seniors! This exact mentality Chene ingress and we go on defence in no time. Heck that incident was on IB not on LAC or claimed area! There should not be allowed for any rhetoric in IB and what senior CO should had done at first place it was done by a YO.

 

[another_armchair]

Our satellites are enough to track chene movements also if war brokers out many countries offer front line weapons... IF US was so concerned regarding CPEC it would have raised objections long back itself. CPEC is doomed to fail and eventually it will

US & EU own pretty much the entire maritime industry.

China, India and other developing nations provide cheap labor and sundry services.

Growing traffic on the BRI China-EU rail link definitely poses a challenge to this industry in the coming decade.

Once fully operational, it will eat into a large chunk of maritime trade with China emerging as one of the major inheritors of the network.

Despite over half of China, especially rural China living in abject poverty, China continues pushing ahead with little resistance from EU or Middle East.

Enough commentary has been expended on the utility of CPEC. The real gold lies in the rail lines.

The objective of CPEC seems to enslave Pakistan and eventually extract Gilgit-Baltistan from Pakistan while India continues to debate whether we should shoot a dossier or fire blanks at the Chinese.

 

[SRao]

I can see your new member status. I can also feel a deep sense of sarcasm in your comment which is uncalled for...

I am not making "friends" here for sure, But that is not important- even if a few can get out of the straightjacket thinking, who knows, it will be worthwhile.

Your observations on India and China- yes I do think, despite all the minefields that people like Nehru/Morarji/Vajpayee have permanently laid out for future Indians to handle, India is much better than the rest. However, cannot rest on our laurels for ever. World is changing too fast, and is in constant flux. That is another debate, for another day.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

That is not a RR unit.

How?
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