India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[Shashank Nayak]

Confusion regarding certain facts which needs to be addressed to stop this slugfest between pro government & anti government experts
1. D-atis showing sat image of Chinese base near Finger 4. Is this temporary or permanent base? If permanent it means China has captured the gray area between finger 4 & 8. Until our forces drive out the Chinese forcefully, that area will remain to Chinese.
2. A retired officer said yesterday Chinese never allowed us to patrol till finger 8. But we are hearing till now that we used to patrol till 8. What is the truth?
3. If we really patrolled till 8, are we doing the same now? Or the Chinese has stopped us from Patrol in grey area between 4 & 8? Cause there is Chinese intrusion till 4 and sat image showing Chinese base.This is the main point. If we stopped patroling between grey area, it means Chinese got what they want and they gained territory.

The ridge at Finger 4, does not allow for any vehicular movement from Finger 4 to Finger 5.. Indian Foot patrols beyond finger 4 happen only when china lets it... Maybe time has come for India to dig a 2 lane tunnel through the ridge..

 

[Jailor]

Confusion regarding certain facts which needs to be addressed to stop this slugfest between pro government & anti government experts
1. D-atis showing sat image of Chinese base near Finger 4. Is this temporary or permanent base? If permanent it means China has captured the gray area between finger 4 & 8. Until our forces drive out the Chinese forcefully, that area will remain to Chinese.
2. A retired officer said yesterday Chinese never allowed us to patrol till finger 8. But we are hearing till now that we used to patrol till 8. What is the truth?
3. If we really patrolled till 8, are we doing the same now? Or the Chinese has stopped us from Patrol in grey area between 4 & 8? Cause there is Chinese intrusion till 4 and sat image showing Chinese base.This is the main point. If we stopped patroling between grey area, it means Chinese got what they want and they gained territory.

But its also being said that we reciprocated in other area and occupied even more territory than chinese, that too should be addressed.
So in nutshell their alleged gain in territory gets nullified by their alleged loss of territory in other areas, so tit for tat and Chinese didn't really get what they wanted.

 

[Jailor]

Indian Foot patrols beyond finger 4 happen only when china lets it

No actually its the other way around chinese patrol beyond finger 4 happened when Indians allowed it.

Art of subtle propaganda......nice job.

 

[ezsasa]

No actually its the other way around chinese patrol beyond finger 4 happened when Indians allowed it.

Art of subtle propaganda......nice job.

area of contention is between finger 4 & finger 8, that's the grey area.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

No actually its the other way around chinese patrol beyond finger 4 happened when Indians allowed it.

Art of subtle propaganda......nice job.

Thats not either or.. both are true.. Sun Chewt

 

[SRao]

There is no road after finger 4 to cross over to the Indian side of the border. It's just a ledge where only a single column of soldiers can walk on foot. Once you cross over though, after a while there is an ITBP camp and Indian road (non-metallic). So there is no chance that the APCs drove from finger 8 to finger 4 and then crossed over to the Indian side. You can refer to below video which is a must watch (and it has a picture of finger 4 and the ledge).


I used to have some kind of respect for Shukla (Arjun supporter?), but after this episode, I feel he is nothing but a logical extension of the Congi brigade, hell bent to misinform the general public and malign the government. In any case, what could have happened is that
- The Chinese crossed over on foot to the Indian side beyond finger 4 and were pushed back.
- The scuffle video doing rounds, could be somewhere between finger 4 and finger 8. India claims till finger 8 and China claims till finger 4 and there are frequent scuffles in this overlapping grey area. Regarding the APC not being on a black top road, could be a part of the road is just rocky and not black top etc. Seeing the topography, it is very much possible that a black top road is not possible all the way.
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- China has built the road till finger 4 during Kargil days when our troops were diverted leaving this area thin. However, it could be that they are trying to disrupt IA patrolling in the grey area.
- There was another incursion in Galwan which again has been pushed back as per satellite imagery.

Maybe both the IA videos were controlled expose to deflate the blatant lies of the likes of Shukla and give some sense of what is happening out there. They did come in very quick succession and went viral, later to be rejected; however, they do show the same areas where the myth of 5k-10k Chinese soldiers is doing the round.

Actually, there are many unanswered questions that boggle the mind.

1. China built a road upto the east side of Finger 4- looks like it is not a road but a dirt track. This wasn't clear.
2. China was able to build the above road/track because in 1999 India took out all its troops from the West side of Finger 4 and sent them to Kargil! Really?? Indan soldiers completely vacated the areas to the west of Finger 4? So much so it gave a free reign to the Chinese to build a road/track all the way from Finger 8 to Finger 4(east)? If so, I am aghast at the IA leadership- must be nincompoops managing the affairs. What did they expect the Chinese to do in their "absence"? Just stay put at Finger 8(east)?? Was there no Indian Post or Base to the West of Finger 4 as shown on your maps?
3. If in 1999-??? China peacefully built a road/track upto Finger 4(east), they could have also built bunkers, camps, ammunition dumps and what not all the way to Finger 4(east), and permanently occupied those areas. Why didnt they do it? Afterall, there were no India soldiers patrolling Finger4-8!! Are you saying Chinese were equally stupid to let go of such a golden opportunity to once and for all occupy permanently areas till Finger 4(west)??
4. It appears that Indian patrols have to navigate the treacherous single-file ridge crossing over from Finger 4(west) to Finger 4(east), and then only they can patrol on foot from Finger 4-Finger 8. But, the Chinese have no such problems! They can zip along in air-conditioned and armored vehicles, as many as they want, from Finger 8 to Finger 4. And also they can have patrols every hour if they so desire! Indian patrols will get tired on foot, and so perhaps go on a patrol once in a while. Doesn't it give the Chinese, even today, every opportunity to occupy the areas between Finger 4(east) and Finger 8? Why are they not doing it?

The whole story still has some holes. But fascinating nevertheless, what you presented with Col. Dinny.

 

[Blue Water Navy]

What in the name of f*cking f*ck?

 

[Jailor]

area of contention is between finger 4 & finger 8, that's the grey area.

I know, its the chinese "ALLOWING" Indians to patrol part, i was trolling.
Besides chinese too claim till finger 1.

 

[WARREN SS]

What in the name of f*cking f*ck?

Baba ji going Over board

 

[SRao]

Further to what Nitin Gokhale's video showed, it seems that all China has to do is to block the single-file ridge on the east of Finger 4, with barbed wire, rocks/boulders, whatever, and Indian foot patrols will find it very difficult to get into the area between Finger4-8. And ofcurse, the chinese can have barbeque parties in this region whenever they want! Curious why this is not happening. Are they afraid India will wage a war with them on this?

 

[cyclops]

What in the name of f*cking f*ck?

I don't know, seems rather improbable.

I feel like China isn't desperate enough to make such an offer.

 

[Tuco]

Further to what Nitin Gokhale's video showed, it seems that all China has to do is to block the single-file ridge on the east of Finger 4, with barbed wire, rocks/boulders, whatever, and Indian foot patrols will find it very difficult to get into the area between Finger4-8. And ofcurse, the chinese can have barbeque parties in this region whenever they want! Curious why this is not happening. Are they afraid India will wage a war with them on this?

Use bigger boats to carry more troops instead of hiking?

 

[garg_bharat]

Well China has already mobilized in Ladakh. This is a reality. Whether it is a standoff or war, time will tell. India must start preparing for the worst.

 

[WARREN SS]

Well China has already mobilized in Ladakh. This is a reality. Whether it is a standoff or war, time will tell. India must start preparing for the worst.

Mobilized hardly a brigade
We Mobilized a Division
Not only that our Northern Army command CO himself Stationed in Ladakh Monitoring things

 

[Blue Water Navy]

I don't know, seems rather improbable.

I feel like China isn't desperate enough to make such an offer.

China is desperate. Any escalation regarding LAC will only corner CCP in the world stage. And it cannot even wait like India for something to happen because its their embrassment.

 

[Blue Water Navy]

Well China has already mobilized in Ladakh. This is a reality. Whether it is a standoff or war, time will tell. India must start preparing for the worst.

India is always prepared. India knows well what happens when a war breaks out unlike CCP's 50 cent army.

Rather than actually fighting they like to play 'War' more often.

 

[fire starter]

emergency landing facility.

 

[cyclops]

What is actually happening, busting the fiction of presstitutes like the Shuklas of the world were peddling for their foreign arms-manufacturing masters.

Chinese intrusion in Galwan lasted for two weeks before it was cleared by Indian troops
Abhijit Iyer-Mitra

 

[Sridhar_TN]

I don't know, seems rather improbable.

I feel like China isn't desperate enough to make such an offer.

You would be surprised.
This whole fiasco pushes one to believe, the Chinese are actually here to thwart India plan of taking over POK and Aksaichin.

If the IA can handle it , they should go ahead and take over Tibet as well.

 

[Arihant]

You would be surprised.
This whole fiasco pushes one to believe, the Chinese are actually here to thwart India plan of taking over POK and Aksaichin.

If the IA can handle it , they should go ahead and take over Tibet as well.

True. It is the real plan.