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IndianHawk

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Why 'f***ing' Samsung? 😏 Seems you ain't a fan, what? I just bought a Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 for Rs 60,000 and it's as good as an Apple iPad Pro that costs the earth and which I lost at the Dubai Airport last Dec! :doh: :crazy:Jeeez!
I want Indian brands simply . Even if they source components from all over at least layer over Android should be Indian and data center should be in India.

I admire samsung too. But they need to lower their price a bit to compete with those chinkies.
 

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First of All We are facing this situation Due to our own laziness and corrupt system

Secondly We don't Need anyone To Protect our borders

If MMRCA deal concluded We might had 100+ Western Fighter in our arsenal
Plus Artillery And MBRL

We have Western power To Supply us Cutting Edge weaponry Its our Callus attitude that we are Not Taking it
Yes we don't need anyone to protect us. But when you are going to thrash a bully it's a good idea to ask couple of your friends to watch. Not that they are going to do anything when you thrash the bully but they are just present there so when the bully is getting thrashed and delivering couple of blows back to you he has one eye on surrounding as well looking at your friends.you size up the bully yourself. The friends don't do anything except making their presence felt to bully. We can invite NATO or us troops for joint military exercise in arunachal Pradesh border region.or just hold a conference there on how to deal with covid. While they are present there you enter pok and start operation. But then friendship is both ways . So when your friend wants to thrash someone and asks you to accompany him , u go with him.
 

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I am not sure what you've got against non-military stakeholders of Govt machinery. I'd not prejudice based on some incidents, and reserve it exclusively for bureaucracy. But then again, no reason for us to agree.

You want Armed Forces to be part of Indian Diplomatic efforts ? Sure, I have nothing against it. Did not pronounce that forces cannot participate in dialogue. They do, even today. But they cannot take over the entire function from Govt administration. Who all get to participate in that diplomatic process is decision of elected Govt and its ministries. If you think armed forces are getting left out, its a fair complaint. I do not share that view however. And beside all that, it does not faze the notion that diplomacy is essential in resolving this conflict with China. I bid for GOI when it comes to geopolitics, not just armed forces.

And I firmly believe that Govt so far has done good job in managing China using diplomacy (with/without armed forces being part of that process). If one wants symbolism, and uniformed generals in front of camera for the optics, then that's a different discussion; and one with little significance IMO.
I am only saying that in past the people who mattered have not considered military aspects adequately due to lack of military advice or otherwise while diplomatically engaging our neighbors or others in matters that affect India militarily.

For example, Indian diplomacy never adequately considered the military impact of the return of Haji Pir or return of POWs or even in a recent example the Sharmal Seikh parleys on Siachin. Ambassador Dikxit in Srilanka used to overrule military advice that ultimately landed us in a fiasco. Diplomacy being restrive in Kargil is also debatable.

It is not my case to appoint Military Generals as Diplomats but only to consider military aspects of diplomacy adequately. Only the China affairs people handling the issue in MEA are deeply embroiled with the military but not others. Otherwise, without proper military aspects, one lands with a thing like McMahon line or a Redcliff line which neither follows features nor marked properly on maps or has no military advantage. On the other hand we have a LOC with Pakistan properly marked and delineated by two military officers of India and Pakistan and we have no issue on its alignment except where it was left imaginary in the treaty. Though I admit it was not agreed to mark it on military factors.

Similarly large portion of LAC decision must emanate from the Army who have to be there and defend it rather than from MHA or MEA. From 1986 onwards after India China signed BPTA we have not been able to define even the exact nature of dispute leave aside fixing LAC. If the Chinese were happily resolving their country's borders with Bhutan, Sikkim, Nepal and Myanmar based on British treaties why not with India. Why should McMahon bite them?

I dare say that Indian diplomacy was always restrictive and prohibitive on the Army in not allowing them even a single initiative on LAC with China thereby emboldening PLA to deal with LAC in a freehand manner. Had Indian Army also intruded ten km ahead of Demchok- or Dichu- Kibithu then the Chinese would certainly have got a military message.

Today we have landed up with a situation where the PLA will always have an upper hand because they have the liberty to wrest the initiative and the Indian Army can only react. Let us for once give a free hand to IA and see what they can do...
 

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Yes we don't need anyone to protect us. But when you are going to thrash a bully it's a good idea to ask couple of your friends to watch. Not that they are going to do anything when you thrash the bully but they are just present there so when the bully is getting thrashed and delivering couple of blows back to you he has one eye on surrounding as well looking at your friends.you size up the bully yourself. The friends don't do anything except making their presence felt to bully. We can invite NATO or us troops for joint military exercise in arunachal Pradesh border region.or just hold a conference there on how to deal with covid. While they are present there you enter pok and start operation. But then friendship is both ways . So when your friend wants to thrash someone and asks you to accompany him , u go with him.
We already do that in Indian ocean With Quad
Rest No one Will fight Our War but Ourselves What we need is there continuous Logistic And Diplomatic support
 

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most of these equipment are useful only south of leh in the plains, Isn’t it?

Two things I liked are stand off bunker busters & mounted arty.
True, but track based Area denial systems such as Pantsir copy and ATGM launchers (see in video) can reach to those parts. Some observations I found is that they have already set planned objectives to take over, as if this was practiced all along.

Point is, sir they fight like robots... with objectives to take as swiftly as possible with fast strike capability, without CAS. Although they may lack experience, but there planning can't be taken lightly.

Update: There PHL16 is the iteration of PL-03?
 

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True, but track based Area denial systems such as Pantsir copy and ATGM launchers (see in video) can reach to those parts. Some observations I found is that they have already set planned objectives to take over, as if this was practiced all along.

Point is, sir they fight like robots... with objectives to take as swiftly as possible with fast strike capability, without CAS. Although they may lack experience, but there planning can't be taken lightly.

Update: There PL16 is the iteration of PL-03?
PH-03 These are Smerch Rockets
Basically
Basically It was our Laziness that We don't Manufactured Enough Pinaka's MBRL
Its Introduced In 1999

We should at-least had 200 units
 

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What our latest guided Pinaka range? Considering its the closest competitor of PLH-16 with (correction 300mm) 370mm guided rockets.. Its unofficial range is 200Km and was specifically built to engage remote strategic targets:

"Air fields, command centers, ADBs (air defense batteries) and concentrated troop formations".

Update:
Scoot out time: 2 min roughly after launch.
 
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now you are putting words in his mouth mr propagandist. This is what he said.
👌 Kadi ninda gave perfect reply to 1962 war question.
Chinese themselves don't want to escalate things on LAC and there is a solid reason behind that because capabilities of india.
But some people just start shivering 😒and spread BS then.
 

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What our latest guided Pinaka range? Considering its the closest competitor of PLH-16 with 300mm guided rockets.. Its unofficial range is 200Km and was specifically built to engage remote strategic targets Air fields, command centers and support facilities.
Don't go By CCP propoganda At best there Rockets can range btw 130 -150 km

Ours around 90 km for both Pinaka and Smerch
 

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Sir Unconfirmed with no sat pics to confirm this best to ignore these sick people have made fools of us on multiple occasions.
Sir, I start Shivering with such alarmist reports... and start day dreaming walking 1km in 2 hours at that altitude with my lungs out and vapors coming out of my mouth and nostrails... One can not even remember once mother under such conditions...

attacking and capturing GorgaTop will be a Herculean task. Indians will have to bomb them out...
 

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Sir, I start Shivering with such alarmist reports... and start day dreaming walking 1km in 2 hours at that altitude with my lungs out and vapors coming out of my mouth and nostrails... One can not even remember once mother under such conditions...

attacking and capturing GorgaTop will be a Herculean task. Indians will have to bomb them out...
Is it confirmed that Gorga top is under Chinese occupation? If so then what was ITBP doing?
 
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