India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[dude00720]

Guys,
Please understand one thing. America lost Vietnam. But, it survived due to a better economy. Russia lost afghanistan even though it had better control than, America over Vietnam. Because, they had a bad economy.

It might look like China has a good economy, but, think per capita. They are already squuezing due to Covid. No one wants to buy from them. America is already hitting their spy rings in the Universities.

This is War.

What India needs is a to create a Vietnam in that LAC area. How? Big question. I know,, that, ladakhis will give hell to China.

This might drag for 10 years. So what? In the end, China will have it afghanistan moment. And remember, we have Tejas in a nearby Airbase. And Sukhois also.

 

[Sridhar_TN]

Why can India counter occupy positions in their side of lac? Capture some of their areas .

and if it comes to conflict, go full in. Better than losing face

 

[dude00720]

Why can India counter occupy positions in their side of lac? Capture some of their areas .

and if it comes to conflict, go full in. Better than losing face

We can and we will. This came out in the stratsglobal interview of Gen Hooda.

 

[tarunraju]

Guys,
Please understand one thing. America lost Vietnam. But, it survived due to a better economy. Russia lost afghanistan even though it had better control than, America over Vietnam. Because, they had a bad economy.

It might look like China has a good economy, but, think per capita. They are already squuezing due to Covid. No one wants to buy from them. America is already hitting their spy rings in the Universities.

This is War.

What India needs is a to create a Vietnam in that LAC area. How? Big question. I know,, that, ladakhis will give hell to China.

This might drag for 10 years. So what? In the end, China will have it afghanistan moment. And remember, we have Tejas in a nearby Airbase. And Sukhois also.

Vietnam beat America by going sub-conventional and tiring the invaders out. Pakis thought they could do a vietnam by going sub-conventional in Kashmir, while conveniently ignoring the fact that unlike US-VN, we aren't invaders in Kashmir, and we are contiguous with it (limitless supply-lines).

What we need as a nation is a vast sub-conventional corps. An off-the-books, non-state entity equipped for humint, guerilla warfare, recon, sabotage, and more. Let's call it "Vande Bharat Vahini."

• Pakis take advantage of the fact that they look like Indians, blend into an Indian crowd, and can easily push sub-conventional, non-state actors into India. Barring RAW assets, we haven't been able to use this equation to our advantage (the fact that Indians too look like pakis) quantitatively.
• Likewise, India has a vast population of ethnic Tibetans (residing in the North East, Uttarakhand, Ladakh, and NCR). Just imagine if we're able to incorporate them into our sub-conventional group, infiltrate Tibet, and fight chicoms in their holes.
• We also have Bengalis and Tamils who can infiltrate Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, respectively; and put both the countries on the defensive, to check growing chicom influence.

So our "Vande Bharat Vahini" will infiltrate Pakistan taking advantage of ethnic camouflage; and into Tibet, destabilizing Pakistan and China in one shot. In 10 years, we will have earned tremendous strategic depth against both Pakistan and China. We will lose the high moral ground to crib about paki non-state actors, but we will have earned a lot more (destabilizing paki strategy, their army, their morale, and a lot more). VBV can also assist in Baloch liberation.

 

[ladder]

@tarunraju

In short [Mukti Bahini, LTTE, SFF (original) ] 2.0 ??

 

[Sridhar_TN]

Vietnam beat America by going sub-conventional and tiring the invaders out. Pakis thought they could do a vietnam by going sub-conventional in Kashmir, while conveniently ignoring the fact that unlike US-VN, we aren't invaders in Kashmir, and we are contiguous with it (limitless supply-lines).

What we need as a nation is a vast sub-conventional corps. An off-the-books, non-state entity. Let's call it "Vande Bharat Vahini."

• Pakis take advantage of the fact that they look like Indians, blend into an Indian crowd, and can easily push sub-conventional, non-state actors into India. Barring RAW assets, we haven't been able to use this equation to our advantage (the fact that Indians too look like pakis) quantitatively.
• Likewise, India has a vast population of ethnic Tibetans (residing in the North East, Uttarakhand, Ladakh, and NCR). Just imagine if we're able to incorporate them into our sub-conventional group, infiltrate Tibet, and fight chicoms in their holes.
• We also have Bengalis and Tamils who can infiltrate Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, respectively; and put both the countries on the defensive, to check growing chicom influence.

So our "Vande Bharat Vahini" will infiltrate Pakistan taking advantage of ethnic camouflage; and into Tibet, destabilizing Pakistan and China in one shot. In 10 years, we will have earned tremendous strategic depth against both Pakistan and China. We will lose the high moral ground to crib about paki non-state actors, but we will have earned a lot more (destabilizing paki strategy, their army, their morale, and a lot more). VBV can also assist in Baloch liberation.

Not bad. I like it. Especially the Tibetan part.

 

[Raj Malhotra]

George Bush Senior Was going to destroy China CCP. But he was toppled using Clinton, who later sold away US Economy for a bit of Chinese pussy

If Trump loses 2016, China will dominate the world and destroy US Economy & Security

 

[Bhadra]

Seems more like a case of personal dislike towards Indian diplomats to me.

Seeming without apparent logic is no logic. Why should anyone has a "personal" dislike when personalities are not involved.

I can't agree to think so low of Indian State, and diplomats of GOI. That's like maligning entire practice for some bad performers, and its not unique to this particular craft.

Pointing out facts has no lows or highs. Diplomacy is a way of conducting relations between two states and by no way is the monopoly of accredited foreign office mandarins. China amassing troops on Indian border is conduct of Diplomacy militarily. USA imposing sanctions on China is a way of conducting diplomacy economically. However, as per Indian system, everything is conducted by the bureaucrat who is called "Diplomat" since the file belongs to him.

India is suffering due to inadequacy and artificial nature of Indian Diplomacy particularly with respect to China for the last 75 years . You might be aware of the aftermath of great Indian Diplomatic coup of "Panchsheel" how China did sheel-bhanga on all accounts. Now we are witnessing Sheel- Bhanga of the five agreements signed post 1986 (BPTA) all over Ladakh specially in Galwan valley.

Can you give me an example of Chinese withdrawing from their advance line as a result of diplomacy.

Govt is doing fine job resolving China front using diplomacy. Full marks to GOI, armed conflict is no answer here.

Soon there would be a negotiation between India and China. Forcing India to Negotiation table itself is the Chinese diplomatic victory achieved by PLA not by their diplomats. Let me see how many Indian generals will be on the table. I can assure you with a guarantee that PLA Generals would invariably be there.

You are glorifying an Indian institution that tuned themselves as the administrator of NEFA and have been directing military affairs on LAC even today. LAC Management by ITBP but not under command Army is their cup of soup. They are the dominant partner in the game.. results are in front.

I really do not know why everyone in India - IAS, IPS, Foreign Service, Journalists have a strong desire to play generals and then screw it up ...

Prove me wrong...

 

[Raj Malhotra]

Anyway, Rajnath Singh already declared that there is nothing to discuss on the issue. Topic closed.

 

[cereal killer]

Vietnam beat America by going sub-conventional and tiring the invaders out. Pakis thought they could do a vietnam by going sub-conventional in Kashmir, while conveniently ignoring the fact that unlike US-VN, we aren't invaders in Kashmir, and we are contiguous with it (limitless supply-lines).

What we need as a nation is a vast sub-conventional corps. An off-the-books, non-state entity equipped for humint, guerilla warfare, recon, sabotage, and more. Let's call it "Vande Bharat Vahini."

• Pakis take advantage of the fact that they look like Indians, blend into an Indian crowd, and can easily push sub-conventional, non-state actors into India. Barring RAW assets, we haven't been able to use this equation to our advantage (the fact that Indians too look like pakis) quantitatively.
• Likewise, India has a vast population of ethnic Tibetans (residing in the North East, Uttarakhand, Ladakh, and NCR). Just imagine if we're able to incorporate them into our sub-conventional group, infiltrate Tibet, and fight chicoms in their holes.
• We also have Bengalis and Tamils who can infiltrate Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, respectively; and put both the countries on the defensive, to check growing chicom influence.

So our "Vande Bharat Vahini" will infiltrate Pakistan taking advantage of ethnic camouflage; and into Tibet, destabilizing Pakistan and China in one shot. In 10 years, we will have earned tremendous strategic depth against both Pakistan and China. We will lose the high moral ground to crib about paki non-state actors, but we will have earned a lot more (destabilizing paki strategy, their army, their morale, and a lot more). VBV can also assist in Baloch liberation.

Nice tactics though I think we are involved in Balochistan indirectly. Fidayeen tactics are never part of Hindu ethics even though I never believed in any ethics in state of war. Besides the west will never allow a destablized Pakistan let's face it. Only in case of a full fledged war we will be able to break Pakistan into pieces. Tibet is a different matter though. Nothing will please the West & US more if China is internally weakened. That is their life long dream & India has the tools to do it. Let's see though India has supported one China stand so at the moment any major policy change doesn't look likely.

 

[Hellfire]

Personal take:

1. As PRC faces unprecedented losses in terms of Economic downturn and loss of jobs, China senses an opportunity to try and force a resolution over boundary issue with respect to India as long as it remains ahead in the arena of economy. This situation, of better economy, is likely to change as China stares at massive losses and India remains poised to reap benefits if it is able to get its act together.

2. The PLA has jacked up the number of troops significantly with 02 objectives:

a. Create a pressure along the border banking on Indian politics to add pressure on to the government, which incidentally has positioned itself on a strong national security plank. Towards this, recruitment of selective opinion leaders/formulators has been enhanced.

b. Try and exploit even the slightest of miscalculation on either side to seize a military initiative to make gains in both the western and eastern LAC, with aim to settle the western boundary using gains in East as bargaining chip.

 

[bhramos]

#Indian Mirage 2000 spotted flying over Pangong Tso !

 

[Gautam Sarkar]

Sela tunnel The tunnel will cut across and reduce the distance between Dirang and Tawang by 10 km. It's a strategic road to counter China as it give all-weather road to access Tawang which usually gets disconnected during winter. Pass is located at 13,700 ft ©Baloram kutum


Banihal Qazigund Road Tunnel
Pqc work starts. It is an 8.5 km road tunnel at elevation of 1,790 m. 4 lane twin tunnels(the only in J&K). The existing Jawahar tunnel is a traffic bottleneck due to its elevation. The distance reduced wil be 16 kms
Pc:Rajiv Singh rathore

 

[vampyrbladez]

Birds in the sky!

 

[vampyrbladez]

Apparently construction work has resumes along the LAC! IA and IAF have taken control over the situation!

 

[Dovah]

Thread cleaned. Please stay on topic henceforth.

 

[vampyrbladez]

ITBP/IA build up near LAC.

 

[Indrajit]

Alarming to see people still buying the 5000 troop theory when Sat Images show nothing at all.

If satellite images actually shown nothing, what’s all the noise then about. Something is happening there, the exact nature of which we simply don’t know with any clarity.

 

[doreamon]

are there apps which can identify chinese products, companies, softwares/Apps ?

 

[another_armchair]

are there apps which can identify chinese products, companies, softwares/Apps ?

Bought a VIP Skybags backback and a duffel bag - Both made in Bangladesh. A lot of Skybags backpacks were also manufactured and branded in China before being shipped to India.

Wipro LED - Made in China.

Bolt speakers - Made in China.

Lee Jeans - Made in Bangladesh.

The list is long of Indian companies manufacturing in China.

Would that count as a non tariff import or a regular import with duty duly paid on an Indian branded product made in a foreign country?

Plenty of bag manufacturers in India import raw material (from zipper to tags) from China and get them stitched in India. Bangalore is a big bag manufacturing hub given the demand from vast student and IT crowd.