India-China 2021 Border conflict

jai jaganath

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Waah bc.

So is this is how Maulana saheb spends our money. He thinks money can make him vishwaguru when in reality is nothing more than a gali ka kutta.

How shameless can you be as a PM to give such leeway to a bankrupt country. They literally take our money and then fuck with us.

This is the aukaat of Modi Yoga promoting chutiya will stop at nothing to gain his peace prize while we become vishwarskheal.

4 fucking billion all gone down the drain. Our foreign policy seems to be even worse than global times.
Leave the national media
U will find that most of the country's establishment know that modi is simply respect oriented just like a poor man when is given too much of respect and hospitality than he thinks of then he does all the work given to him thinking that they are my friends
That's the exact case with mudiji he thinks he gets more respect than what he deserves
Many term it as foolishness
And more than Western nation this thing is well known by our neighbors
According to them fuck India and respect mudiji talk with him nicely nothing will happen but make sure fuck them and try every time to break it with help of super powers
 

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We need a surgical strike on our commerce ministry. Burgeoning trade deficit with China is our single most important achilles heel.
No way it's an outcome without insiders involved.
We are literally paying Chinese for our own demise.
China last year had a surplus of $450B. Realise the seriousness of this. China colonised Porks with just ~$20B, SL with just ~$10B, for other countries like Laos et al just a paltry few billions is enough. The annual surplus can bankroll their whole Chinese defence expenditure.
And we are looking at a trade deficit of ~$100B this year!
Why are there so few think tankis who can link economics with national security? :/
 

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We need a surgical strike on our commerce ministry. Burgeoning trade deficit with China is our single most important achilles heel.
No way it's an outcome without insiders involved.
We are literally paying Chinese for our own demise.
China last year had a surplus of $450B. Realise the seriousness of this. China colonised Porks with just ~$20B, SL with just ~$10B, for other countries like Laos et al just a paltry few billions is enough. The annual surplus can bankroll their whole Chinese defence expenditure.
And we are looking at a trade deficit of ~$100B this year!
Why are there so few think tankis who can link economics with national security? :/
Hang the future planners,upsc dhimmis and political folks who are a party to this.Scrap upsc cse shit.
 

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Let's see

Flag waving in the SCS will not be of much use apart from causing irritation to the Chinese, IN cannot hope to deploy combat power on the other side of the malacca straight in a real war. Our strategy should be to deny the PLAN from getting a footing anywhere in the IOR. They already have one in Djibouti, nightmare scenario would be the Chinese a similar spread of bases as the US does in IOR.
 

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Chinese might be playing their game well, but we are not doing bad either within the self-imposed constraints and realities. We have also been docking our ships in countries around Chinese mainland, sending our ships into the south china sea and many other things which we will never come to know. All of that has not stopped Chinese from executing their strategy. Why should we hold back ours. Sri-Lanka is in debt of India as well as China. They did the best they could do under the circumstances balancing India and China. Let us use that to our advantage based on our strength.

With 2 SSBN + 1 SSN + 14 SSKs operational, and 6 SSN + 5 SSBN + 6 SSKs planned in next decade we are no pushovers in the underwater domain. There are underwater sea-bed grids available to us to detect Chinese submarines. 12 P8is + 2 IL-38 + 2 MQ9-Reaper we have the fire-power to counter their forays in the Indian Ocean. Chinese know our might and that is why these probing operations. We are also doing the same around their mainland.

Let us not be scared of Chinese and cower in a corner of the Indian Ocean. It is time to act with courage, ingenuity and intelligence. This world belongs to the brave and intelligent and have enough faith in our armed forces and their leadership. Let us not believe in 10 foot tall Chinese folklore any more. We will meet them with equally strong resolve and commitment. This is not the time to cope or self-loath but plan for the battle/war awaiting us in the future.
AFAIK we have 0 operational SSNs, and no 6 SSNs are not planned "in the next decade” we’ll be very lucky to have 2 (lower estimate would be 0). Also that MPA number is not at all impressive, you can check the Japanese fleet for example.
 

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Flag waving in the SCS will not be of much use apart from causing irritation to the Chinese, IN cannot hope to deploy combat power on the other side of the malacca straight in a real war. Our strategy should be to deny the PLAN from getting a footing anywhere in the IOR. They already have one in Djibouti, nightmare scenario would be the Chinese a similar spread of bases as the US does in IOR.
That's what I can clearly see in future no one can stop it
It's almost certain that they will encircle us with multiple dock and permanently station their vessels loaded with missiles and always observe us
At that time IN major challenge will be to operate without coming into Chinese eyes as they will be everywhere
One must understand their intentions they want to control IOR in future and they are well determined bcoz this will help to propagate their global hegemony
This is certain which will help them to control trade and keep an edge over us
So we should bd prepared for it
Coming to this visit it has to be done today or tomorrow we can't stop it for long as thus will lead their path to domination which will be started by studying the sea bed and the diversity over there + our elint and sigint(I suppose)
 

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That's what I can clearly see in future no one can stop it
It's almost certain that they will encircle us with multiple dock and permanently station their vessels loaded with missiles and always observe us
At that time IN major challenge will be to operate without coming into Chinese eyes as they will be everywhere
One must understand their intentions they want to control IOR in future and they are well determined bcoz this will help to propagate their global hegemony
This is certain which will help them to control trade and keep an edge over us
So we should bd prepared for it
Coming to this visit it has to be done today or tomorrow we can't stop it for long as thus will lead their path to domination which will be started by studying the sea bed and the diversity over there + our elint and sigint(I suppose)
It's a vital route for energy transport.



Focus on that for sure
 

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To all folks cribbing over Corona navy ship visit to ravan town , let me be clear .
Your visions are clouded.
1) case 1: ravan town heavily protests against this visit, but the corona navy insists , rather forces its way
Can ravan town naval forces stop corona navy ship from docking to a port which most probably is owned by corona land ?
Case 2) what we did , we did nothing just like everytime ,if we were more concerned about corona navy ship visit we could have intercepted that ship ourselves, we didn't ask why ?
Because, talks going on at the border
Ravan land assured us that corona ship will just sit like a duck .
Thats the reason, that's the reason and that's two reasons.
@Waanar. @Suryavanshi. @Lonewolf. @mokoman @Kumaoni
 

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That's what I can clearly see in future no one can stop it
It's almost certain that they will encircle us with multiple dock and permanently station their vessels loaded with missiles and always observe us
At that time IN major challenge will be to operate without coming into Chinese eyes as they will be everywhere
One must understand their intentions they want to control IOR in future and they are well determined bcoz this will help to propagate their global hegemony
This is certain which will help them to control trade and keep an edge over us
So we should bd prepared for it
Coming to this visit it has to be done today or tomorrow we can't stop it for long as thus will lead their path to domination which will be started by studying the sea bed and the diversity over there + our elint and sigint(I suppose)
Simple solution is turn andaman into a fortress with land cruise missiles batteries etc , airbase with planes ready with anti ship missiles.
Point is to cut of the corona fleet present in our vicinity with their fleet near corona land.
Once the corona fleet in indian ocean is cut off. You shoot at all those bases
 

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Simple solution is turn andaman into a fortress with land cruise missiles batteries etc , airbase with planes ready with anti ship missiles.
Point is to cut of the corona fleet present in our vicinity with their fleet near corona land.
Once the corona fleet in indian ocean is cut off. You shoot at all those bases
Lol... Even better spend more money into the navy in the coming years. No Bahana, no holds barred approach. Create a large enough navy that we can divide the navy into three commands. Central Fleet (looking after the Indian subcontinent and the near Indian ocean, main fleet), Far Eastern Fleet (for Chonks, docked at Australia or Japan, can be used to annoy the Chinese or cock block them in war with sync with Japanese, Aussie, US Navy) and another African Fleet (looking after the Strait of Hormuz, rest of Indian Ocean, targeting Djibouti, and oil nations, docked at UAE or something). That's the ultimate wet dream. At least 7 ACs, many ssns and ssks, destroyers. China kya even US won't do shit then. All those noises from Arab countries will also calm down

Sapneh Dekho toh bara Dekho.
 

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Lol... Even better spend more money into the navy in the coming years. No Bahana, no holds barred approach. Create a large enough navy that we can divide the navy into three commands. Central Fleet (looking after the Indian subcontinent and the near Indian ocean, main fleet), Far Eastern Fleet (for Chonks, docked at Australia or Japan, can be used to annoy the Chinese or cock block them in war with sync with Japanese, Aussie, US Navy) and another African Fleet (looking after the Strait of Hormuz, rest of Indian Ocean, targeting Djibouti, and oil nations, docked at UAE or something). That's the ultimate wet dream. At least 7 ACs, many ssns and ssks, destroyers. China kya even US won't do shit then. All those noises from Arab countries will also calm down

Sapneh Dekho toh bara Dekho.
Arey mai to ye socta hu ki ekdin usa apna Pacific fleet apne naam kardega
 

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To all folks cribbing over Corona navy ship visit to ravan town , let me be clear .
Your visions are clouded.
1) case 1: ravan town heavily protests against this visit, but the corona navy insists , rather forces its way
Can ravan town naval forces stop corona navy ship from docking to a port which most probably is owned by corona land ?
Case 2) what we did , we did nothing just like everytime ,if we were more concerned about corona navy ship visit we could have intercepted that ship ourselves, we didn't ask why ?
Because, talks going on at the border
Ravan land assured us that corona ship will just sit like a duck .
Thats the reason, that's the reason and that's two reasons.
@Waanar. @Suryavanshi. @Lonewolf. @mokoman @Kumaoni
Also I don't know what forum members expect- do you want IN to shoot at the ship or GOI to intercept the ship?? With what justification? Such an action is highly illegal and we often ignore how it will invite retaliation on our ships later!
 

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Also I don't know what forum members expect- do you want IN to shoot at the ship or GOI to intercept the ship?? With what justification? Such an action is highly illegal and we often ignore how it will invite retaliation on our ships later!
I thought about it but you see , it boiled down to the heft .each had in ravan town

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AFAIK we have 0 operational SSNs, and no 6 SSNs are not planned "in the next decade” we’ll be very lucky to have 2 (lower estimate would be 0). Also that MPA number is not at all impressive, you can check the Japanese fleet for example.
What makes you think SSN can't be built quickly, SBC literally took just 6 years to build the S4 class SSBN
 

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Arey mai to ye socta hu ki ekdin usa apna Pacific fleet apne naam kardega
They did that during bush era they tried to sell us their cold war era fleet for free but with a condition for buying at least 50 f18s.Indians declined because the air craft career was huge and will need more maintainance.
 

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They did that during bush era they tried to sell us their fleet for free but with a condition for buying at least 50 f18s.
Are you drunk or are you joking like me ?
If the latter than too the joke was mild only
 

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Are you drunk or are you joking like me ?
If the latter than too the joke was mild only
The USA did offer India an Aircraft carrier. But back in those timed India was not as important as it is today. So any country would have thought twice before giving an aircraft carrier with a nuclear reactor in it.

So the last option USA had was USS Kitty Hawk. And it was offered to India. But it was huge. At 85000 tons it was bigger that both the aircraft carriers India operated before. So it had 3 important issues.

  1. It was old and few years away from retirement. So it needed refurbishment. But no port India was big enough to homeport of such a giant.
  2. Experience in managing aircraft carrier of that size would harmed India's interests.
  3. If India would have purchased it, India would also have considered buying F/A 18 super hornet which was a part of MMRCA deal. So it would have undermined MMRCA deal's importance.
So considering above issues. India gave up on USS Kitty Hawk. Because at the same time this ambitious nation had it's own plans of making its IAC -1 Now known as INS Vikrant.

So now fast forward to today USA will no problem in offering anything but India doesn't need any Aircraft Carrier. We have already built our first. Second is in building phase and rest 2 are planned. So there is no need to buy one more from USA.

Fun Fact - IAC-1(INS Vikrant) was planned to be 25000 tons ended up in becoming 45000. And at it's best it can displace 60000-65000 tons.
 

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