India-China 2021 Border conflict

Aniruddha Mulay

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Not to mention our logistics and troop transport.
It is a hard fact that Infrastructure is better on the Chinese side and It will be so till the next decade, we are just starting to catch up but they were already superior and now further improvising.

Till this day we do not have airstrip in frontier areas of Himachal and not as many helipads either.

Chinese have 50+ watered down equivalent of c17 and we have our 11 c17. When the war comes c17 will be the most valued machine in logistics.

I haven't even taken their Missile stock into account which is anyway far superior to ours.
Yeah, looks like SFC and IAF/IA missile regiments give you precise data on their missile stockpile.
 

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CAG report in 2016 : lack of rations / clothing for soldiers in ladakh

Army (august 2020) : no , no such issue , everything ok .

also Army (oct 2020) : plz american army , gib us clothing




if a India-China war goes on for 1+ month , we will have no option but to go begging at Putin and Bidens feet.

i dont think such a war will happen , mostly because both sides are afraid world will find out just how unprepared they actually are.
Again private company came for rescue . Winter clothing problem has been solved . The first set of about 41,000 ECWCS was delivered in the second half of 2021.

Desi defence start-up helps Army go off decades-long dependence on imported cold-weather gear

 

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Our superb industrial manufacturing capabilities were well displayed last year during the second wave when our Giga Chad (TM) foreign minister had to beg the Chinese to air cargo route open so we could buy their substandard Oxygen concentrators at eye gouging prices - and this is one year into the covid and while we were having a military standoff with China. Tells you all you need to know. Since Kargil (at least) every military situation over the years exposed big gaps in our capabilities. And these gaps take years to fill, but the last 8 years have mostly been a wasted opportunity, there is very little evidence that we are prepared for a protracted for a high tempo war against a de facto super power.
I knew about Chinese sub standard Oxygen Concentrator but did not know that a straight Air Cargo route did not exist via Tibet. Did india return all that non functional hardware. One more incident exist where the New York governor asked for urgent supply of masks and other Covid related items. He sent a plane to Peking/Shanghai to fetch them urgently. Later found it to be below standard and returned it. ….. God bless Chinese supply and their customers.

Flying the sub standard hardware actually lowered Chinese prestige. Still product and lower price hungry Americans buy Chinese items without too much of a fuss and then dump it a year or two later to buy another. That keeps Chinese economy going.
 

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I knew about Chinese sub standard Oxygen Concentrator but did not know that a straight Air Cargo route did not exist via Tibet. Did india return all that non functional hardware. One more incident exist where the New York governor asked for urgent supply of masks and other Covid related items. He sent a plane to Peking/Shanghai to fetch them urgently. Later found it to be below standard and returned it. ….. God bless Chinese supply and their customers.

Flying the sub standard hardware actually lowered Chinese prestige. Still product and lower price hungry Americans buy Chinese items without too much of a fuss and then dump it a year or two later to buy another. That keeps Chinese economy going.
isn't that too much of an understatement?
 

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Ching is soyboy but he has all kinds of mass produced toys
doesn't matter if our guys are 56" chested gigachads if they don't have chad industry backing them and instead need to be supplied by begging and (((emergency procurements))).

Roosi was shitting the early months of the war not knowing what he was doing but now he is peppering Hoholistan with 70k artillery shells a day :bplease:

Modern peer-wars won by industrial powa, has been since WW2, for insurgency or anti terror you may need different tactics, but for wars with a proper adversary industrial powa or btfo.
Some here say that India being a nuclear power, will ensure that the war ends quickly..
I ask why should it end quickly.. ? Do you really think that after exhausting artillery stockpiles after a month of combat, India will just throw a nuke at China, risking assured nuclear retaliation ?
What if China makes only creeping gains, but keeps pummeling Indian forces on the border, and in depth with tens of thousands of Artillery shells and hundreds of rockets each day (demilitarization of Indian forces and border infrastructure ).. long after India has exhausted its stocks..? What would India do ? Lob a nuke and risk destruction of Delhi, or given that the loss of border areas is only a few hundred square kilometers, get into a peace deal favorable to China..
India needs to be a military Industrial power house to give our brave men at the border a fighting chance..
 
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I remember Kalyani baba was talking about manufacturing precision artillery shell in near future in a interview . And IIT M was also working on something like that . Cant say when it ll be finished .
Plus IIT Madras is working on a ramjet artillery shell, expected date of completion of the project is 2024
 

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Chinese money laundering in India( can move to another subject heading)
 

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As of now... with more seats compared to 2019.

It's not a political thread so won't comment much... but the way 2.5 front is working, if their objective is to defeat ruling govt. they are failing miserably. Also for now it's more or less 1.5 front as pakistan right now is not in position to open Indian front.
Best not to comment on this stuff, but continue to work for good governance and dharma
 

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LoL, ever heard of a company named as KSSL, if not google it, they have been making artillery shells for a long time
I have probably hyped kalyani more than anyone here.
The generails and afsara literally bargerd Into the offcie and said "we need artillery shells".

But shells aren't the only thing in war, artillery itself wil break down you can say 2 to 3 artillery breaking down each passing week.

A good portion of our airplanes will be grounded after they exhaust their spares, delivery of spares will take time and that too will need lots of begging from various countries.

Had it been insas I would have said that too will be breaking down but they all have been replaced by sig so it's good.
 

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