India-China 2021 Border conflict

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It looks like not only it was an expedition but also a few posts have been established as the Infantry regiment was also there.
Both are well within our boundary, setting up outposts above 6000m (and keeping them) is basically slow suicide.

In the era of drones and satellites, we don't need high-vantage point observation posts that too in such treacherous conditions.
 

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Not going to happen.

I suspect BJP will return with comfortable majority.
As of now... with more seats compared to 2019.

It's not a political thread so won't comment much... but the way 2.5 front is working, if their objective is to defeat ruling govt. they are failing miserably. Also for now it's more or less 1.5 front as pakistan right now is not in position to open Indian front.
 

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good article by gen panang on present situation , y chinese did what they did , what it means .

in very simple terms , chinese grabbed land because they fear our road construction will threaten aksai chin.

best possibility now is a buffer zone while licking their ass.

 

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Economic and industrial power does win wars the prime examples being the two biggest powers of recent times the Soviet union and USA with Soviet union eventually collapsing due to a bad economic downturn.

Both the US and Soviet union at their peak were outnumbering their enemies across the board by simply out producing them on the battlefield.

For every tank the Germans destroyed the Soviets created 3 more. For every division the German destroyed the Soviets put in 10 more. The Germans intelligence expected the Soviets to have around 250 divisions which would eventually increase to 350 but no more in the worst case scenario. In reality the Soviets ended up putting 800 divisions on the field and no less literally resulting in the Germans winning themselves to death at the start of the operation and finally losing.

Similarly for every ship lost the japnese sunk the Americans put two more on the sea. The Americans started with a naval force of 700 and ended up with 6000 ships by the end of the war. On the other hand the Japanese could not even replace their own losses due to the lack of both resources and the much needed industrial infrastructure.

By the time the Japanese invaded the Chinese they were fragmented and were simply not the power they once were. The Qing Dynasty which at one point had parts of Russian far east and sakhilan had faded into the history with a industrialized Russia slowly chipping away Manchuria and various governers declaring their independence over the course of time.

Japan on the other hand was united and faced a divided and deindustrialized china which it did use to its advantage until it made the mistake of invading them proper.

The entirety of Asia ended up suffering due to late industrialization.
Why do you assume that the war will conclude in a month.

If anything looking at the Russian Ukrainian conflict or the Vietnam Fiasco it becomes apparent that the global powers tend to Duke things out to the bitter end no matter how bas the situation is.

Looking at Russia and how the long the war has continued and the resilience of their economy i very much doubt the Chinese would face anything worse when their economy is much more industrialized and import export oriented. Europe and US have pretty much failed at crippling Russia which is more of a renfri state so i absolutely don't see why they would fare any better against a proper manufacturing powerhouse.

I don't expect the Chinese to just grab a win against us if we ever clash far from it infact but in general terms i do expect them to better respond to attrition and machinary losses. On the other hand India too has a lot of advantages in the form of infrastructure natural borders and the general Terrain of NE.

From all the battles we have seen though out history quantity manufacturing supremacy and logistics are the key features in any sort of prolonged war. One of the prime reasons why Germany lost both the world wars was because of its over reliance on the doctrine of fast based attacks or what we call today as blitzkrieg. Once dragged into an attrition based conflict they eventually ended up on the losing side.

I would request you to tag your post on pearl harbor as i was unable to find it.
Most generails have made up their mind that india won't be involved in a war of attrition dragging any more than 45 days. Hence you will see that most of our stocks are oriented in a manner that could pull us through a month. Few years back during a CAG report it was mentioned that we had less than 15 days of stock and that to even lesser for some particular ammunition.
Someone said it right the current generation of Generails are medal chasers just hoping to complete their term in peace, what they should have been chasing Is a legacy.
When was the last audit to determine the Industrial capacity of the defence sector in times of war?
What is the guarantee that we will not run out of ammunition for artillery in a war that last more than 1 or 2 months. What makes us so sure that most of our artillery will not break down due to faulty ammunition.
Kargil war more like a skirmish limited to few hills and we ran out of ammunition for artillery. War with China won't be limited to few hills.
China's back bone is it's industry and they can outperform us in this particular aspect.
 

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Most generails have made up their mind that india won't be involved in a war of attrition dragging any more than 45 days.
Same applies to China also, in modern times no country in the world has the guts for a prolonged 'war of attrition' barring Russia.

Historically it's been Russia and it will always be Russia.
 

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Most generails have made up their mind that india won't be involved in a war of attrition dragging any more than 45 days. Hence you will see that most of our stocks are oriented in a manner that could pull us through a month. Few years back during a CAG report it was mentioned that we had less than 15 days of stock and that to even lesser for some particular ammunition.
Someone said it right the current generation of Generails are medal chasers just hoping to complete their term in peace, what they should have been chasing Is a legacy.
When was the last audit to determine the Industrial capacity of the defence sector in times of war?
What is the guarantee that we will not run out of ammunition for artillery in a war that last more than 1 or 2 months. What makes us so sure that most of our artillery will not break down due to faulty ammunition.
Kargil war more like a skirmish limited to few hills and we ran out of ammunition for artillery. War with China won't be limited to few hills.
China's back bone is it's industry and they can outperform us in this particular aspect.

CAG report in 2016 : lack of rations / clothing for soldiers in ladakh

Army (august 2020) : no , no such issue , everything ok .

also Army (oct 2020) : plz american army , gib us clothing




if a India-China war goes on for 1+ month , we will have no option but to go begging at Putin and Bidens feet.

i dont think such a war will happen , mostly because both sides are afraid world will find out just how unprepared they actually are.
 

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CAG report in 2016 : lack of rations / clothing for soldiers in ladakh

Army (august 2020) : no , no such issue , everything ok .

also Army (oct 2020) : plz american army , gib us clothing




if a India-China war goes on for 1+ month , we will have no option but to go begging at Putin and Bidens feet.

i dont think such a war will happen , mostly because both sides are afraid world will find out just how unprepared they actually are.
I can almost see Narendra Zelensky visiting European and Anglosphere capitals.
 

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CAG report in 2016 : lack of rations / clothing for soldiers in ladakh

Army (august 2020) : no , no such issue , everything ok .

also Army (oct 2020) : plz american army , gib us clothing




if a India-China war goes on for 1+ month , we will have no option but to go begging at Putin and Bidens feet.

i dont think such a war will happen , mostly because both sides are afraid world will find out just how unprepared they actually are.
Pretty much this, all generails will be exposed naked if the war stretches anymore than a month.
Chinese Professional army or not they will more than match us with their Industrial powerhouse.

And all the talk about weak chinese soyboys listen here, no one is born brave. Situation makes a man brave, Indo China park will be the great filter for Chinese soldier, they will get better each day. By the end of war Chinese soldier who survive will be one of the most jaded in the world.
 

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Pretty much this, all generails will be exposed naked if the war stretches anymore than a month.
Chinese Professional army or not they will more than match us with their Industrial powerhouse.

And all the talk about weak chinese soyboys listen here, no one is born brave. Situation makes a man brave, Indo China park will be the great filter for Chinese soldier, they will get better each day. By the end of war Chinese soldier who survive will be one of the most jaded in the world.
Ching is soyboy but he has all kinds of mass produced toys
doesn't matter if our guys are 56" chested gigachads if they don't have chad industry backing them and instead need to be supplied by begging and (((emergency procurements))).

Roosi was shitting the early months of the war not knowing what he was doing but now he is peppering Hoholistan with 70k artillery shells a day :bplease:

Modern peer-wars won by industrial powa, has been since WW2, for insurgency or anti terror you may need different tactics, but for wars with a proper adversary industrial powa or btfo.
 

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