India-China 2021 Border conflict

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Oh, but we should.
China takes Nepali villages and Nepali politicians don't even squeak.
Meanwhile, we open up our country to them for work, education, and healthcare, and even allow them to join our government services, treating them like they're our own citizens and they want to take OUR land?
The rhetorics of Lipulekh being Nepali territory has been propagated by Chinese MSS agents in Nepal, especially their previous honey trapped PM.

Lipulekh pass is an important link and a possible attack vector toward the Chinese-occupied Mansarovar Lake area, so definitely China doesn't want any Indian access to that part.

Meanwhile, we open up our country to them for work, education, and healthcare, and even allow them to join our government services, treating them like they're our own citizens and they want to take OUR land?
This is indeed sad, and MEA should respond with utmost ferocity over these baseless claims, along with possible economic arm-twists to make them fall on line.
 

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Illegal copying does have a bad reputation.
But for a late-developing country, the only way to catch up with the world's advanced aviation industry countries is to learn from other people's designs
Sometimes you can't reinvent the wheel. Somethings in military terminology are such that you have to stick to a particular design. For example let's take 5th generation fighters like SU-57 and F-22, have you noticed how similar the wing shaping is of both? It's because for Stealth you need to have such wings. But just because they look similar it doesn't mean it is a 100% copy of something.
 

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Indian members, kindly don't claim uninformed facts such as the Chinese cannot fly helicopters over the Himalayas, they can't fly more than a few jets in Tibet, etc., etc.

Such uninformed claims not only undermine the Indian viewpoint and make us sound like fanboys living in delusion but also give firepower to Chinese members to have an upper edge in the narrative here.
Then what else they should tell?? Can't discuss Deficiencies because It will be considered as Sin. What else options they have except behaving like Paki?
 

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Then what else they should tell?? Can't discuss Deficiencies because It will be considered as Sin. What else options they have except behaving like Paki?
Discuss deficiencies, not propaganda. Discuss strategies, instead of crying over the situation.

Discuss future possibilities, instead of past actions, unless it is to learn and improve, not cry and wail.
 

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Discuss deficiencies, not propaganda. Discuss strategies, instead of crying over the situation.

Discuss future possibilities, instead of past actions, unless it is to learn and improve, not cry and wail.
Whatever you mentioned is forbidden on DFI. Few days back I have requested the same but you were laughing then.

I never approved words like Junks, Tin can, Plastic, copying.

When you discuss capability building for future then be prepared for discussing painful topics.
 

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Whatever you mentioned is forbidden on DFI. Few days back I have requested the same but you were laughing then.

I never approved words like Junks, Tin can, Plastic, copying.

When you discuss capability building for future then be prepared for discussing painful topics.
Buddy, there are other population on DFI, including me who regularly discusses shortcomings and improvements.
The problem with you (also @India Super Power), however, is you are always negative, insulting, and loathing anything Indian, and induce a general atmosphere of negativity, helplessness, and defeat.

The truth cannot be farther from your viewpoint of the Indian armed forces and our capabilities. We are not helpless, we are the third strongest military power in the world, no kidding, with a strongly growing economy, developing military-industrial complex, supported by a largely patriotic population.

Yes, we are deficient in some regards, hell, every country and military is deficient in some sector. You don't cry over your deficiencies, you try to leverage your strength.
 

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In fact, this is the problem. You think that India is very powerful. Although China seems to have a lot of new equipment, the gap between China and India is not very large. In addition to the existence of the Himalayas, India has an advantage.
But what is the reality? India’s military expenditure is only about 20%-25% of China’s, most of which must be paid for pensions and soldiers’ salaries. Coupled with the backwardness of India’s military industry, the Indian army must have a big gap compared to China.
If the Chinese pointed this out, they would be called fifty cents, a robot
If Indians point this out, they will be called unpatriotic, traitors
banned after
But that's the reality, you can't change it
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Look, that's it, anyone who points out the truth will be reviled
At least they are not send to a concentration camp or get's picked up by police
 

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In fact, this is the problem. You think that India is very powerful. Although China seems to have a lot of new equipment, the gap between China and India is not very large. In addition to the existence of the Himalayas, India has an advantage.
But what is the reality? India’s military expenditure is only about 20%-25% of China’s, most of which must be paid for pensions and soldiers’ salaries. Coupled with the backwardness of India’s military industry, the Indian army must have a big gap compared to China.
If the Chinese pointed this out, they would be called fifty cents, a robot
If Indians point this out, they will be called unpatriotic, traitors
banned after
But that's the reality, you can't change it
you still didn't answer this:


Yeah, I am talking truth here but looks like you want to close your eyes.
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You are probably using this data.
WZ10 empty weight 5.1t
Obviously wrong, the empty weight of the AH64E, which is much larger than the WZ10, is 5.1t
5.1 tons of empty weight, 5.5 tons to 6 tons of use weight, minus the weight of the pilot, leaving a load of 700kg

And what about the engine power? Site the data of LCH, Appache, Z10 with empty weight and engine power.
 

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In fact, this is the problem. You think that India is very powerful. Although China seems to have a lot of new equipment, the gap between China and India is not very large. In addition to the existence of the Himalayas, India has an advantage.
But what is the reality? India’s military expenditure is only about 20%-25% of China’s, most of which must be paid for pensions and soldiers’ salaries. Coupled with the backwardness of India’s military industry, the Indian army must have a big gap compared to China.
If the Chinese pointed this out, they would be called fifty cents, a robot
If Indians point this out, they will be called unpatriotic, traitors
banned after
But that's the reality, you can't change it
The real problem is, that you overestimate China's power while underestimating everyone. Not your fault, Chinese citizens are constantly fed with lies and propaganda about the world, resulting in the citizens living in a misinformation bubble.

But what is the reality? India’s military expenditure is only about 20%-25% of China’s, most of which must be paid for pensions and soldiers’ salaries. Coupled with the backwardness of India’s military industry, the Indian army must have a big gap compared to China.
Pakistan's military budget is merely 11% of that of India. Do you see us jaywalking into Pakistan on a sunny day? Given that the Indo-Pakistan border is actually plains and more suitable for a kinetic invasion than Himalayas?

See, this is the problem. You have been fed lies that Indians are, backward, poor and a weak nation struggling with poverty. That we can't even feed our population, how can we resist the invasion of strong han-Chinese fed with high-nutrition bat soup?

If the Chinese pointed this out, they would be called fifty cents, a robot
If Indians point this out, they will be called unpatriotic, traitors
banned after
But that's the reality, you can't change it
I will tell you what is the reality. The reality is we can successfully thwart and impose a heavy cost on your aggressive plans on our Indo-Tibetian border. We know it, world powers know it, and your army knows it as well. If we were such a pushover, your army would have taken Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh by now.
 

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Buddy, there are other population on DFI, including me who regularly discusses shortcomings and improvements.
The problem with you (also @India Super Power), however, is you are always negative, insulting, and loathing anything Indian, and induce a general atmosphere of negativity, helplessness, and defeat.

The truth cannot be farther from your viewpoint of the Indian armed forces and our capabilities. We are not helpless, we are the third strongest military power in the world, no kidding, with a strongly growing economy, developing military-industrial complex, supported by a largely patriotic population.

Yes, we are deficient in some regards, hell, every country and military is deficient in some sector. You don't cry over your deficiencies, you try to leverage your strength.
Yeah bro
We are pessimistic negative and sometimes ignorant too
We basically even go very further criticizing things and sometimes we are proved wrong too but many times atleast @vishnugupt us right
But that doesn't make us traitors and invite everyone to scold our mothers
Even then we maintain our stance
Not you but there are few who have superiority complex bcoz we have more experience and better training
We want our nation to be best but when we deliberately fail ourselves we should call ourselves fools nothing else
Who suffers the consequences the jawans the low level officers the citizens not those ias high level military commanders nor politicians
We lack heavily against Chinese and that's the fact even you are most well aware than us as u have a lot of knowledge regarding it
 

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Yeah bro
We are pessimistic negative and sometimes ignorant too
We basically even go very further criticizing things and sometimes we are proved wrong too but many times atleast @vishnugupt us right
But that doesn't make us traitors and invite everyone to scold our mothers
Even then we maintain our stance
Not you but there are few who have superiority complex bcoz we have more experience and better training
We want our nation to be best but when we deliberately fail ourselves we should call ourselves fools nothing else
Who suffers the consequences the jawans the low level officers the citizens not those ias high level military commanders nor politicians
We lack heavily against Chinese and that's the fact even you are most well aware than us as u have a lot of knowledge regarding it
I am showing you the path towards a happier life. You don't have to constantly worry about how we are deficient or lacking in multiple things. Your concerns are misplaced, I am telling you.

If you think we will be defeated against the Chinese because we lack the capability, stress not, we won't. We are sufficiently capable to defend ourselves, as of now. Small localized wins/losses might take place, but that won't change the ground reality.

Now you can believe me, or ask me specific scenarios on how we will win/defend, I will be happy to tell you. But if you constantly choose to wail, ask that repeated question (how many km we lost), and go into a self-induced negativity loop, I can't help you.
 

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In fact, this is the problem. You think that India is very powerful. Although China seems to have a lot of new equipment, the gap between China and India is not very large. In addition to the existence of the Himalayas, India has an advantage.
But what is the reality? India’s military expenditure is only about 20%-25% of China’s, most of which must be paid for pensions and soldiers’ salaries. Coupled with the backwardness of India’s military industry, the Indian army must have a big gap compared to China.
If the Chinese pointed this out, they would be called fifty cents, a robot
If Indians point this out, they will be called unpatriotic, traitors
banned after
But that's the reality, you can't change it
Loveda Lixun

You overestimate your capabilities too much

You cannot even post one single combat footage if asked for.

You think posting propaganda military exercises footage with crisp editing will win the war for you.

You CCP bots are only good to be trampled under the boots

Thats the reality, you can't change it

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Looks like I've caused the wrath of a lot of people
It's normal, after all most Indians are extreme populists
You have many reasons to prove what I said wrong,
But what you can't solve is the huge gap between China and India in terms of national strength and military-industrial level.
And on top of this, there is a huge gap between military theory and military organization.
Loveda Lixun,

You gloat too much about your artificial country may be it's in your CCP training manual. You create yourselves a false bravado atmoshphere where brainwashed Chinese will like your posts and support you.

This is your China, it exists only on Eastern seaboard, while your Western part is impoverished and people there are tortured regularly by poverty and CCP
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Why don't you look at the population density in western China
Most of the dark places are plateaus and deserts
Even China's poorest province, Gansu, has twice as much GDP per capita as India
Bro what a baseless comparison
If you want to compare provinces gdp per capita to a country's
Your economic knowledge is very low
If we have to say Goa and sikkim has gdp per capita 7k and 6.5k dollars
So what but that's true China per capita is literally 5-6 times of ours
 

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