India-China 2021 Border conflict

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Hmm, we have started pushing reinforcements in Ladakh finally. Pretty late for this year, I think the standoff is more or less over now. Everybody has accepted the new ground reality and no one is eager to push forward.

China wins this round, but only by a slight margin. The next standoff will be in our favor.
 

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Who said Galwan was a battle.. ? It was a Gang fight..
i was saying that i don't want to hear that IA got "surprises" factor from their enemy counterpart even if its termed under gang fight....the enemy should get befitting reply even when they want to surprises us....
 

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China-developed floating airship "Jimu No. 1" successfully lifted off from the "Earth Summit Mission 2022" scientific research camp (probably in Tibet)at an altitude of 4,300 meters and reached 9,032 meters on Sunday, setting a new world record for atmospheric scientific observation by airships.
Nb: The design look pretty similar to Elta aerostat we acquired from Israel.
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Hmm, we have started pushing reinforcements in Ladakh finally. Pretty late for this year, I think the standoff is more or less over now. Everybody has accepted the new ground reality and no one is eager to push forward.

China wins this round, but only by a slight margin. The next standoff will be in our favor.
I don't agree that they won . We haven't been coerced to abandon our indo pacific strategy yet , infact , the standoff has emboldened us to take a more pro active stance against PLA . For me , victory can only be achieved at the strategic level of operations , not at the tactical level of operations
 

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I don't agree that they won . We haven't been coerced to abandon our indo pacific strategy yet , infact , the standoff has emboldened us to take a more pro active stance against PLA . For me , victory can only be achieved at the strategic level of operations , not at the tactical level of operations
That is the golden line from this standoff. India and our population's thinking direction is reactive, not proactive.

This standoff finally kicked all the delusions of Indo-China love angles and strictly focused our forces from Pakistan-centric to China-centric offensive capabilities. Nothing short of a direct war with China could have changed this, and it cost us the sacrifice of our 20 Bravehearts.

When I say, they have won marginally, is because they have solidified their supply chain & road network, are constantly learning the nitty-gritty of mountain warfare, and finally, either secured the disputed territories or strengthen them. (Depsang, Gogra, Pangong Tso).
 

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China could have grabbed so much more on their first surprise offensive in April-May 2020. We were so ill-prepared that any credible response would have taken more than a month of time to muster for us.

For example, they could have walked straight into DBO-Depsang using some 100-200 tanks and would have faced little resistance from simple rifle-wielding ITBP and a handful of T-72s stationed at DBO.

They could have (in fact they almost) captured large chunks of Gogra-Hotspring and we would have difficulty even in sending reinforcements there.

Chinese were not even serious when they occupied our territory in May 2020, they thought we will do absolutely nothing. The only place they got serious was Pangong Tso, but then we did too.
 

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China could have grabbed so much more on their first surprise offensive in April-May 2020. We were so ill-prepared that any credible response would have taken more than a month of time to muster for us.

For example, they could have walked straight into DBO-Depsang using some 100-200 tanks and would have faced little resistance from simple rifle-wielding ITBP and a handful of T-72s stationed at DBO.

They could have (in fact they almost) captured large chunks of Gogra-Hotspring and we would have difficulty even in sending reinforcements there.

Chinese were not even serious when they occupied our territory in May 2020, they thought we will do absolutely nothing. The only place they got serious was Pangong Tso, but then we did too.
For example, they could have walked straight into DBO-Depsang using some 100-200 tanks and would have faced little resistance from simple rifle-wielding ITBP and a handful of T-72s stationed at DBO.

😕 we are not that spineless , DBO isnt claimed by china , we have observation posts at LAC in DBO which means we would see them coming , yea Chinese can overrun , but not without killing our people , blowing up our tanks . which would automatically kick start the 2nd india-china war .

They could have (in fact they almost) captured large chunks of Gogra-Hotspring and we would have difficulty even in sending reinforcements there.

yea general pang also said same thing , he claims we had no reserve in june and july and chinese would have taken that entire chenmo valley
 

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For example, they could have walked straight into DBO-Depsang using some 100-200 tanks and would have faced little resistance from simple rifle-wielding ITBP and a handful of T-72s stationed at DBO.

😕 we are not that spineless , DBO isnt claimed by china , we have observation posts at LAC in DBO which means we would see them coming , yea Chinese can overrun , but not without killing our people , blowing up our tanks . which would automatically kick start the 2nd india-china war .
Yep, and are they afraid of drawing the first blood? I think Galwan has proved that the Chinese are not afraid of shooting the first bullet, neither they are hesitant in killing.

Let's say if China did capture Depsang + DBO in a bloody offensive, what could we have done, to take it back? Nothing short of a nuclear war would have moved China from the Depsang-DBO axis, as the geography of that area does not favor us for a conventional offensive.

Worst case, we might have been begging just like we are doing right now to give us back DBO-Depsang.
 

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