India-China 2021 Border conflict

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The cynic in me warns me that CCP will take cue from the Ukraine situation. If that flares up, they will make a run for either Taiwan or Arunachal while the world is busy dousing flames in the Balkans.
Are you seeing Chinese buildup near Arunachal?
 

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Then they will end up with running nose and bleeding ass. Neither Modi is Nehru nor YK Joshi is BM Kaul.
I truly hope so, but we are not dealing with a rag tag human wave style PLA here. Their pirated/poor quality tech not withstanding, they can still cause serious damage with sheer quantity. With our imported maal defence forces, not really sure how long we can maintain parity with supposedly superior quality.

J20 may not be in the league of F22 or F35, but they can probably field multiple squadrons of it knocking out our vital assets (AWACS, tankers, radars etc.). 36 Rafales can only do so much! Barring some crazy testosterone driven bravado, we will badly get mauled in all likelihood and then will get our ass handed to us in the ensuing information warfare. Much like the Abhinandan F16 shoot down incident.
 

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I truly hope so, but we are not dealing with a rag tag human wave style PLA here. Their pirated/poor quality tech not withstanding, they can still cause serious damage with sheer quantity. With our imported maal defence forces, not really sure how long we can maintain parity with supposedly superior quality.

J20 may not be in the league of F22 or F35, but they can probably field multiple squadrons of it knocking out our vital assets (AWACS, tankers, radars etc.). 36 Rafales can only do so much! Barring some crazy testosterone driven bravado, we will badly get mauled in all likelihood and then will get our ass handed to us in the ensuing information warfare. Much like the Abhinandan F16 shoot down incident.
We ought to see warfare as an extension of the global geopolitical overview.

Let's ask ourselves, does it even makes sense for China to invade India? I mean, invading the world's 4th strongest nation makes little sense, even if you are the 3rd strongest nation.

So what are the geopolitical consequences of China invading -
  • Taiwan :- Capture of historical territory, akin to India capturing PoK. Global sanctions, world powers breathing down the neck but probably won't help with boots on the ground. No one dares to invade mainland China anyway. Maybe some airstrikes or naval support in favor of Taiwan.

    Chances of success:- moderate

  • India :- Hardly will be able to capture minimal territory which is absolutely barren with no natural resources and inhospitable climate. Might even have to cede territory at a few places due to a counter-attack, might even lose and has to protect territory instead.
    Global sanctions, world powers breathing down the neck but now you have an angry India which has direct land borders with China being armed by NATO nations with deadly weapons, and it will definitely come back to settle scores.

    Chances of success:- Low to very low
So, what makes more sense ?
 

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Cross-posting -
From left
  • Rashtriya Rifles
  • 42nd Artillery Division (Strategic Strikers) - Formerly under South Western Command, seems to be moved under Northern Command now
  • 6th Mountain Division (Garuds)
  • 28th Infantry Division (Vajr)
  • 19th Infantry Division
  • 8th Mountain Infantry Division (Forever in Ops)
  • ??
  • 14 Corps (Fire and Fury)
  • Indian Army
  • India
  • India
  • Northern Command
  • 1 Corps
  • 15 Corps (Chinar)
  • 3rd Infantry Division (Trishul)
  • 10th RAPID (Crossed Swords)
  • 25th Infantry Divison (Ace of Spades)
  • 39th Mountain Division (Dah)
  • 4th Infantry Division (Red Eagle)
  • ??
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42nd Artillery Division is a massive power addition for Northern command. Smerch, Pinaka, BrahMos and BM-21s.




Taiwan obviously, while praying we don't attack them in Tibet.
The Flag between 8th Mountain Division and 14th Corps is the formation flag of 16th Corps (White Knight Corps)

The Last formation flag after the 4th Infantry Division looks that of Rashtriya Rifles
 

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We ought to see warfare as an extension of the global geopolitical overview.

Let's ask ourselves, does it even makes sense for China to invade India? I mean, invading the world's 4th strongest nation makes little sense, even if you are the 3rd strongest nation.

So what are the geopolitical consequences of China invading -
  • Taiwan :- Capture of historical territory, akin to India capturing PoK. Global sanctions, world powers breathing down the neck but probably won't help with boots on the ground. No one dares to invade mainland China anyway. Maybe some airstrikes or naval support in favor of Taiwan.

    Chances of success:- moderate

  • India :- Hardly will be able to capture minimal territory which is absolutely barren with no natural resources and inhospitable climate. Might even have to cede territory at a few places due to a counter-attack, might even lose and has to protect territory instead.
    Global sanctions, world powers breathing down the neck but now you have an angry India which has direct land borders with China being armed by NATO nations with deadly weapons, and it will definitely come back to settle scores.

    Chances of success:- Low to very low
So, what makes more sense ?
Fair enough, cant argue with the logic. One point though. Taiwan is probably much more acceptable to NATO and other western powers since there is no confusion on where it stands. But with India, with our non-aligned BS and balancing Russia/China circus, west will not be as keen. Might provide intel and diplomatic support at best, but I dont see B52s/B2s flying support missions for us.
 

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Fair enough, cant argue with the logic. One point though. Taiwan is probably much more acceptable to NATO and other western powers since there is no confusion on where it stands. But with India, with our non-aligned BS and balancing Russia/China circus, west will not be as keen. Might provide intel and diplomatic support at best, but I dont see B52s/B2s flying support missions for us.
West would never lose Taiwan.
Chip foundries in Taiwan are pivotal to west's survival at this point.

West would just not let China get control of these very precious industries.

China attacking India at LAC is not really feasible.
 

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Lt. Gen. YK Joshi will probably become the next COAS and Gen. MM Naravane the next CDS.
Will love to see General 'Joe' as the COAS. But going by the trends, the last 3 COAS were former VCOAS.
Also going by previous 10 COAS appointments, 6 of them were former VCOAS.

The average Service Year gap between the Incumbent and Appointee COAS for the last 8 appointments is approx 3 years.

Service Year of both General Joshi and current VCOAS is 1982.

General Joshi is a War Hero and the only current 3-star commander donning the Vir Chakra. His tenure is getting over at the end of this month.
 

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So it's been a week since the kidnapping and 3 days since the PLA said the found a boy.
"Chinese side assured that they would search for the individual and return him as per established protocol. Later on January 20, the Chinese side intimated that they had found a boy on their side and requested for further details to establish the identity. To assist the Chinese side in corroborating the identity, personal details and photo of the individual has been shared with the Chinese side by the Indian Army. Response from the Chinese side is awaited," the union minister added.
 

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