India-China 2021 Border conflict

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shits about to go down.

lets see who blinks first.

i think within a year we will grab some land of strategic value - peaks ridges or something. all the artys and deployment will be backup to prevent things from escalating.

Nithin gokhale will be screaming how we are there not for violence , MEA will be asking China to return 'peace and tranquility' to border . meanwhile our guys will be opening up PLA heads with cricket bats.
 

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shits about to go down.

lets see who blinks first.

i think within a year we will grab some land of strategic value - peaks ridges or something. all the artys and deployment will be backup to prevent things from escalating.

Nithin gokhale will be screaming how we are there not for violence , MEA will be asking China to return 'peace and tranquility' to border . meanwhile our guys will be opening up PLA heads with cricket bats.
I feel bad, we are screaming for army to induct atags but in the other hand army had orderd dhanush artis but they are not getting delivered :creepy:
 

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I feel bad, we are screaming for army to induct atags but in the other hand army had orderd dhanush artis but they are not getting delivered :creepy:
That was fuckery from OFB side, i don't get army's logic. Do they really think having no artillery is better than having an artillery which is slightly different from their needs?

ATAGs seemed to be performing well, private industries could mass produce and we should have gone for successive iterations.

If war comes to shove will they give excuse of not having proper weapons? Who will care for that?
 

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Any ORBAT experts on what the composition of the Aviation Bridge?
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This is what a US Army Aviation Brigade composed of (source wiki), these are attached to divisions not corps (unlike IA?), just the numbers:
- 24 AH-64 Apache (heavy attack helicopter)
- 41UH-60 Black Hawk (medium lift utility helicopter + specialised versions)
- 12 CH-47 Chinook (heavy lift utility helicopter)
- 21 OH-58D Kiowa Warrior (light helicopter for reconnaissance)
- 12 MQ-1C UAVs (medium UAV)
- 8 AAI RQ-7B Shadow (light UAV)

My Armchair (maybe wet dream) would be for India Army Aviation Bridge to have (each attached to a corps):
- 16 LCH or Apache
- 16 Rudra
- 16-24 Dhruv
- 16 LUH
- 16 Mi-17 (or equivalent medium lift helicopter)
- 6 Chinook (heavy lift)
- 8 Heron UAV (or equivalent)
- Other light UAVs.
 

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A noob question, arent these obsolete inspite of the upgrades mentioned? Maybe only effective against slow moving UAV/UCAVs..
They are effective against low flying fighters with in its short range. However against smart munitions, cruise missiles, small drones etc. I'm not sure the detection, targeting, command and control I don't think its is good enough.
 

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talks failed.

its preparation for upcoming military action against Chinese.

something like sept action taking over kailash range.
These are some of the Show and tell news items from last year for the media, one happened in Mid September (2 weeks after Op Snow Leopard), but there were a few like opening of DS-DBO road that happened in mid august itself.
 

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A noob question, arent these obsolete inspite of the upgrades mentioned? Maybe only effective against slow moving UAV/UCAVs..
A lot of countries are using WW2 AA guns with modifications similar to us. The only thing I would have liked is a fire-control radar + automated target acquisition, which would have made it really deadly.

With our cuckold philosophy we will never do a preemptive strike even if the attack is imminent. PLA with its superior numbers will unleash a arty/rocket barrage at a moment of its choosing and the key would be to survive the first strike and keep our losses to a minimum. I hope our planners have some smart strategies to do exactly this. I have full faith in IA that regardless of the cost, they will hold the line. But I am only an armchair expert - what do I know?
There is no guarantee PLA will attack. With each and every day PLA camps in the shivering cold Tibet, it just shows they have no appetite for war.
They are trying to scare us with posturing and aggressiveness.

Also, if we want NATO helping us, at least by containing Pakistan and blockading China, we will need to be the victims, not the aggressors. I know sounds lame but it is what it is.

Army is not in mood to fight a war ot seems as our lack of heavy arty and long range mbrl arty will bite us in our posteriors in an event of war .
We have to compensate long-range artillery with airstrikes in that case. This is just a type of war strategy each country follows. For example, the USA relies on precision airstrikes rather than ground artillery, whereas Russia and China are artillery freaks, preferring to flatten entire areas with artillery.

Since Balakot, we have developed & inducted a rich arsenal of PGMs and standoff munitions, both foreign and ingenious.
 

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Okay, so according to these articles -


The modifications include:-
  • An electro-optical day-night system for target tracking
  • Automated target acquisition and tracking (operator will just click shoot, alignment will be done by computer)
  • Flycatcher fire-control radar (licensed manufactured by BEL)
  • Proximity-fuse detonated ammunition (manufactured by BDL)
This makes L70 on par with any modern anti-air gun. It will also be effective versus swarm drones and any low-flying aircrafts or missiles.
 

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Army is not in mood to fight a war ot seems as our lack of heavy arty and long range mbrl arty will bite us in our posteriors in an event of war .
Arty and MBRLs are something that i feel a bit is concerning, we have what around 4-6 pinaka regiments? And despite that their range is of old mk1, no idea about the upgraded ones.

We have to compensate long-range artillery with airstrikes in that case. This is just a type of war strategy each country follows. For example, the USA relies on precision airstrikes rather than ground artillery, whereas Russia and China are artillery freaks, preferring to flatten entire areas with artillery.

Since Balakot, we have developed & inducted a rich arsenal of PGMs and standoff munitions, both foreign and ingenious.
From a noob perspective that sounds like a risky and a bit most costly affair. And examples of USA doesn't work because they were attacking goatshaggers in the middle of the desert or goatshaggers operating old s300 etc.

But china has already covered s400 just at the LAC along with their other ADs, that's very concerning. So to tackle their arty/mlbr you will need air strike but to make it effective you will have to take down their ADs and for that what we are going to use? Brahmos? Rudram?

Also, one query can SAAW be used for taking down ADs?
 

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Not again, more talks and no release of any pictures?


India-China to talk border again, focus on resolving Hot Springs

India-China to talk border again, focus on resolving Hot Springs
While both sides have agreed to hold the next round of WMCC on border affairs this month, the meeting may be tough as the PLA is refusing to go back to permanent bases, a pre-condition to resolve Hot Springs near Kongka La in East Ladakh.
 

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With our cuckold philosophy we will never do a preemptive strike even if the attack is imminent. PLA with its superior numbers will unleash a arty/rocket barrage at a moment of its choosing and the key would be to survive the first strike and keep our losses to a minimum. I hope our planners have some smart strategies to do exactly this. I have full faith in IA that regardless of the cost, they will hold the line. But I am only an armchair expert - what do I know?
At this moment I think both sides are looking for a nice casus beli. A military confrontation is all but imminent unless some political change happens on either or both sides.
But I also think China will get nothing out of a military confrontation with India now, so maybe it's just posturing... albeit hardened.
Let's trust our men and their wisdom on this. 👍
 

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