India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[LETHALFORCE]

China, Iran deal eyes a future decoupled from US - Asia Times

In recent weeks, Iran and China have been hammering out the details of a potentially momentous cooperation deal meant to span the next quarter-century and

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Beginning of the next cold war .

Bad news: we may lose Chabahar port , Iran will start barking about Kashmir more loudly

Good news: no chance of US-China relations ever normalizing . We can expect more support from US and allies.

iranians had no intentions of Chabbar port cooperation with India was on hold for years

 

[nick_indian]

China, Iran deal eyes a future decoupled from US - Asia Times

In recent weeks, Iran and China have been hammering out the details of a potentially momentous cooperation deal meant to span the next quarter-century and

asiatimes.com

Beginning of the next cold war .

Bad news: we may lose Chabahar port , Iran will start barking about Kashmir more loudly

Good news: no chance of US-China relations ever normalizing . We can expect more support from US and allies.

India should try it's absolute best to keep relations with Iran strong. We have had good relations with them for thousands of years. Also more importantly, we need them in Afghanistan.

 

[mokoman]

iranians had no intentions of Chabbar port cooperation with India was on hold for years

That was our fault , we sided with US , stopped oil purchase to comply with sanctions.

That idiot trump ruined everything .

He had to go and cancel the nuclear deal with Iran , heap on more sanctions . now China will build bases in Iran , Russia will give s400 .

If China agrees Iran will test nuke in next decade . All in all bad news for Israel .

 

[Knowitall]

China, Iran deal eyes a future decoupled from US - Asia Times

In recent weeks, Iran and China have been hammering out the details of a potentially momentous cooperation deal meant to span the next quarter-century and

asiatimes.com

Beginning of the next cold war .

Bad news: we may lose Chabahar port , Iran will start barking about Kashmir more loudly

Good news: no chance of US-China relations ever normalizing . We can expect more support from US and allies.

The implications of this is unfortunately for us more bad than good.

If this deal does come through chabahar will be the least of our worries.

An Iran dependent on China means Indian ops in Baluchistan and other province's will face a huge hit as we might not be able to use Iran as a launching pad anymore.

We might also see a much more aggressive shia population in our own country and possible radicalization.

Plus a china-pakistan-Iran combo means Afghanistan will be lost to us the second US leaves.

Iran is already making peace with taliban so we can have huge issues there too.

Let's see what happens.

 

[ARVION]

That was our fault , we sided with US , stopped oil purchase to comply with sanctions.

That idiot trump ruined everything .

He had to go and cancel the nuclear deal with Iran , heap on more sanctions . now China will build bases in Iran , Russia will give s400 .

If China agrees Iran will test nuke in next decade . All in all bad news for Israel .

They already have all building's block's, they are a quasi nuclear state's.

 

[mokoman]

The implications of this is unfortunately for us more bad than good.

If this deal does come through chabahar will be the least of our worries.

An Iran dependent on China means Indian ops in Baluchistan and other province's will face a huge hit as we might not be able to use Iran as a launching pad anymore.

We might also see a much more aggressive shia population in our own country and possible radicalization.

Plus a china-pakistan-Iran combo means Afghanistan will be lost to us the second US leaves.

Iran is already making peace with taliban so we can have huge issues there too.

Let's see what happens.

Did we ever have a chance in Afghanistan ? . We will support the Afghanistan gov right till the end . I think the soldiers and officers in current Afghanistan gov and army hate the Pakis and love india , seen support from them on twitter .

Once US leaves ,its game over for us.

 

[nick_indian]

Once US leaves ,its game over for us.

Precisely why we need Iran on our side at least when it comes to Afghanistan and Balochistan. We can agree to disagree on the US. Hope Modi is aware of the importance Iran holds. Doesn't seem like it though.

 

[Bhadra]

Sorry ..... If we remain submissive over our sovereignty anyone can challenge & alter borders by any means as you mentioned, if not, such drill of trying to alter ground realities won't stand longer.

Building infrastructure in border ares. devolving civic amenities and physical control by deployment are creating facts on ground and means of realizing your claim. The earlier MEA approach of remaining away, not building infrastructure and not inviting Chinese ire was submissive and counterproductive.

What exactly happened in Nakula this time......
I haven't heard of anything from Indian officials mentioning Aksai Chin even in this heightened situation... What will chinese or others make of it?

HM shri Amit Shah announced Aksaichin to be part of India on the floor of the Parliament.

Sorry I don't buy the argument of perceptional border ..

I also do not agree . That is why creating facts on ground is essential.

If indeed india considered it's border within chinese control India would have got it registered in any of negotiation, look at China they are claiming whole Galwan,

Cinese are claiming whole of Galwan because they cretaed facts on ground.. they uild raod right upto PP14.

perhaps now Sikkim border will also be subjected to similar claims. Indias meekness on diplomatic front & readily acknowledging the need for de escalation & etc causing more trouble.

The two places in Sikkim where Chinese have raised dispute - North Sikkim and the tri-junction were not demarcated under the treaty.. hence Chinese are exploiting that. However India can also do that by "creating facts on the ground". Who stopped India ??

[quote[ China despite being aggressor did it best to do dillydallying for more than one month to come to table for discussion, they were not ready to give india any room initially until 15th & 16th June, few heads were smashed same Chinese general came running for de escalation.
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Chinese perhaps wanted to put India under pressure by multiple intrusions and by " creating Facts on ground".

India must be very active now for creating facts on ground and thereby pressurize the Chinese to negotiate boundary issue.

 

[BeEverVectorMan]

Let the deal happen between Iran and china
Again Iran is not like pakistan so any mischief from China side will be loved to see

 

[Knowitall]

Let the deal happen between Iran and china
Again Iran is not like pakistan so any mischief from China side will be loved to see

This deal will be one of a mutual understanding china is investing a lot of money in Iran they don't need to do any mischief all they need to do is bring iran in their camp which this deal will do.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

This deal will be one of a mutual understanding china is investing a lot of money in Iran they don't need to do any mischief all they need to do is bring iran in their camp which this deal will do.

this is a major blow to the present western power structure it is a permanent threat to energy and trade. iN many ways it will be destabilizing. This is a huge gain for China , Russia and Iran. Shows what limits to foreign policy can bring.

 

[Proxy1234]

this is a major blow to the present western power structure it is a permanent threat to energy and trade. iN many ways it will be destabilizing.

There are more chances of India and US G-2 that the Chinese had been trying so hard for all these years....

 

[garg_bharat]

our AD are pretty good and almost all highly mobile systems. There maybe some surprises?

The current threat are drones where China is king. Swarm of drones is real threat. High volume radar directed fire is needed.

Similarly land based jammers can crash a drone as well as aerial guided weapons.

I think biggest change army needs is to confront drone warfare.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

There are more chances of India and US G-2 that the Chinese had been trying so hard for all these years....

There is no way a commie nation will be in any G2 groping.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

The current threat are drones where China is king. Swarm of drones is real threat. High volume radar directed fire is needed.

Similarly land based jammers can crash a drone as well as aerial guided weapons.

I think biggest change army needs is to confront drone warfare.

many indian soldiers in Galwan were hunted down and killed by thermal drones

 

[Proxy1234]

There is no way a commie nation will be in any G2 groping.

US-China G2 was a real possibility when the Chinese were sponsoring US debt, it was becoming a very tight coupling. But recent economic decoupling has put all that in a spanner....

 

[LETHALFORCE]

US-China G2 was a real possiy when the Chinese were sponsoring US debt, it was becoming a very tight coupling. But recent economic decoupling has put all that in a spanner....

No way it was all rhetoric masters don’t make grouping with slave commie nations

 

[garg_bharat]

Precisely why we need Iran on our side at least when it comes to Afghanistan and Balochistan. We can agree to disagree on the US. Hope Modi is aware of the importance Iran holds. Doesn't seem like it though.

I think we have lost Iran. We stopped buying crude from Iran under American threats. We pulled out of Chabahar.

Right now we cannot be in Western camp as well as friend of Iran at the same time. The problem is Iran wants to destroy Israel. We are now friends with Israel.

Iran is fighting actively against America and Israel.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

I think we have lost Iran. We stopped buying crude from Iran under American threats. We pulled out of Chabahar.

Right now we cannot be in Western camp as well as friend of Iran at the same time. The problem is Iran wants to destroy Israel. We are now friends with Israel.

Iran is fighting actively against America and Israel.

Iran is lost. We have to accept it and plan accordingly pakis are doing just that

 

[doreamon]

The Chinese are now expected to dig-in just 1,500 metres away, at the edge of the agreed 3-km temporary buffer zone. While they do so, their artillery and tanks would remain far away but they can be brought to the front when required. This situation is identical to what they did in July 1962 after a clash at Galwan. They returned three months later with a massive force and over-ran the Indian defences.

Chinese threat is unlikely to go away. India needs big plans for LAC to save its land

New Delhi must make the stakes high for the Chinese to take any military action against India and renege signed agreements.

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