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IF Israel doesn't sell tech to China, it doesn't help us that much does it.

Losing Iran however,

We lose our link to Central Asia. We had Pakistan completely surrounded by three adversaries - India, Iran and Afghanistan, now it's going to be only India.

It is a win for Pak-China all the way and a loss for India. Let's just accept it.

Idk whether GoI can be blamed for this or not. But this is bad for India's security and economy and very good for Pakistan's.
I don't think Pakistan will angry their Arab masters by joining iran.
 

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And now China is getting a taste of it's own medicine and this one is real bitter.....


U.S. Position on Maritime Claims in the South China Sea
PRESS STATEMENT
MICHAEL R. POMPEO, SECRETARY OF STATE
JULY 13, 2020

The United States champions a free and open Indo-Pacific. Today we are strengthening U.S. policy in a vital, contentious part of that region — the South China Sea. We are making clear: Beijing’s claims to offshore resources across most of the South China Sea are completely unlawful, as is its campaign of bullying to control them.

In the South China Sea, we seek to preserve peace and stability, uphold freedom of the seas in a manner consistent with international law, maintain the unimpeded flow of commerce, and oppose any attempt to use coercion or force to settle disputes. We share these deep and abiding interests with our many allies and partners who have long endorsed a rules-based international order.

These shared interests have come under unprecedented threat from the People’s Republic of China (PRC). Beijing uses intimidation to undermine the sovereign rights of Southeast Asian coastal states in the South China Sea, bully them out of offshore resources, assert unilateral dominion, and replace international law with “might makes right. Beijing’s approach has been clear for years. In 2010, then-PRC Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi told his ASEAN counterparts that “China is a big country and other countries are small countries and that is just a fact.” The PRC’s predatory world view has no place in the 21st century.

The PRC has no legal grounds to unilaterally impose its will on the region. Beijing has offered no coherent legal basis for its “Nine-Dashed Line” claim in the South China Sea since formally announcing it in 2009. In a unanimous decision on July 12, 2016, an Arbitral Tribunal constituted under the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention – to which the PRC is a state party – rejected the PRC’s maritime claims as having no basis in international law. The Tribunal sided squarely with the Philippines, which brought the arbitration case, on almost all claims.

As the United States has previously stated, and as specifically provided in the Convention, the Arbitral Tribunal’s decision is final and legally binding on both parties. Today we are aligning the U.S. position on the PRC’s maritime claims in the SCS with the Tribunal’s decision. Specifically:

  1. The PRC cannot lawfully assert a maritime claim – including any Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) claims derived from Scarborough Reef and the Spratly Islands – vis-a-vis the Philippines in areas that the Tribunal found to be in the Philippines’ EEZ or on its continental shelf. Beijing’s harassment of Philippine fisheries and offshore energy development within those areas is unlawful, as are any unilateral PRC actions to exploit those resources. In line with the Tribunal’s legally binding decision, the PRC has no lawful territorial or maritime claim to Mischief Reef or Second Thomas Shoal, both of which fall fully under the Philippines’ sovereign rights and jurisdiction, nor does Beijing have any territorial or maritime claims generated from these features.
  2. As Beijing has failed to put forth a lawful, coherent maritime claim in the South China Sea, the United States rejects any PRC claim to waters beyond a 12-nautical mile territorial sea derived from islands it claims in the Spratly Islands (without prejudice to other states’ sovereignty claims over such islands). As such, the United States rejects any PRC maritime claim in the waters surrounding Vanguard Bank (off Vietnam), Luconia Shoals (off Malaysia), waters in Brunei’s EEZ, and Natuna Besar (off Indonesia). Any PRC action to harass other states’ fishing or hydrocarbon development in these waters – or to carry out such activities unilaterally – is unlawful.
  3. The PRC has no lawful territorial or maritime claim to (or derived from) James Shoal, an entirely submerged feature only 50 nautical miles from Malaysia and some 1,000 nautical miles from China’s coast. James Shoal is often cited in PRC propaganda as the “southernmost territory of China. International law is clear: An underwater feature like James Shoal cannot be claimed by any state and is incapable of generating maritime zones. James Shoal (roughly 20 meters below the surface) is not and never was PRC territory, nor can Beijing assert any lawful maritime rights from it.
The world will not allow Beijing to treat the South China Sea as its maritime empire. America stands with our Southeast Asian allies and partners in protecting their sovereign rights to offshore resources, consistent with their rights and obligations under international law. We stand with the international community in defense of freedom of the seas and respect for sovereignty and reject any push to impose “might makes right” in the South China Sea or the wider region.
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Time for China to rethink it's trashing of the UNCLOS treaty in the SCS. The question is, even though this rogue nation is sitting on the high table of the UNSC, it is blatantly disregarding all UN treaties as per its convenience. So what is its credibility to be a permanent member of the Security Council? It should be made to quit.




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It's over between Iran and India. When nobody gave a shit, India sheltered Shias, supplied Iran with whatever we could (FMCGs, electronics, you name it); fought against American sanctions; and suddenly they dump us.


Today Shias lost their only friend in Asia in favor of money.

On the flip side, this frees our hand to fight for liberation of the entire Baluchistan, including Sistan va Baluchistan province of Iran.
 

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After searches and searches online.
A suggestion, these sort of historical data will lost in topical threads like this. after this events are over, good information gets lost in conversations.

you can post them here too, In a dedicated thread.

 

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A suggestion, these sort of historical data will lost in topical threads like this. after this events are over, good information gets lost in conversations.

you can post them here too, In a dedicated thread.

Thanks, will adhere to it's.
 

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It's over between Iran and India. When nobody gave a shit, India sheltered Shias, supplied Iran with whatever we could (FMCGs, electronics, you name it); fought against American sanctions; and suddenly they dump us.


Today Shias lost their only friend in Asia in favor of money.

On the flip side, this frees our hand to fight for liberation of the entire Baluchistan, including Sistan va Baluchistan province of Iran.
What does drop mean what about all the money we invested what happens to it.
 

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It's over between Iran and India. When nobody gave a shit, India sheltered Shias, supplied Iran with whatever we could (FMCGs, electronics, you name it); fought against American sanctions; and suddenly they dump us.


Today Shias lost their only friend in Asia in favor of money.

On the flip side, this frees our hand to fight for liberation of the entire Baluchistan, including Sistan va Baluchistan province of Iran.
There will be more to the story, which political journalists are not able to grasp.

Check the standard railway gauge of Iran, China & India. China & Iran - 1435 mm, India - 1676 mm.

Indian railway equipment in Iran is out of the question, after the tracks are laid. Iran would end up using Chinese equipment on Indian tracks. it would be a political disaster back home.

Imagine if the contract went ahead and got built by 2018 In Iran, with the current China escalation, news comes out that China is providing engines & Maintenance for the same tracks. It would be a PR disaster in India.

BRI is not just about Chinese trade route, it is also about CCP imposing their equipment standards across the world.
 

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Already posted 18 mapa on maps thread's, but I think this should be posted on this thread's.

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The Chinese's presceptive's.
 

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It's over between Iran and India. When nobody gave a shit, India sheltered Shias, supplied Iran with whatever we could (FMCGs, electronics, you name it); fought against American sanctions; and suddenly they dump us.


Today Shias lost their only friend in Asia in favor of money.

On the flip side, this frees our hand to fight for liberation of the entire Baluchistan, including Sistan va Baluchistan province of Iran.
India and iran were never friends. The mullas were making a chut*ya of India since the beginning.

Whenever their geo-political situation became tough they became India's "civilizational cousins" and whenever the pressure let up from the west iran went back to being a sly geo-political operator playing both sides.

That said, you cant blame the irani mullas for following the money. Its the naivety India's geo-pol planners who were on this weed of ancient civilizational friends.

This is the problem with India's foreign policy, it is very passive and most of the key decisions get made by others and India only reacts to them.
china becomes our enemy only when china decides to.
porkis become out enemy again at the time of their convenience.
Same for iran, nepal and others all are allowed to choose the tone of their relations with India.

It was expected from the corrupt congis but even Modi has turned out to be quite naïve in this regard.

As far as iran is concerned, India should have told them to feck off when the ONGC debacle happened in 2014.
In 2017 The Saudi's were begging India to save them in Yemen from the iranians but India declined citing relations with iran. What a joke. The old Yemeni leadership had even offered to provide India land for military bases if India helped them win but Inidan passive policy could not grab the opportunity.

India will remain a geo-political light weight till it becomes an aggressive and active player in regional conflicts. Both selling weapons and gaining strategic territory is badly needed for India.

We can only hope that Modiji realises all this an is biding time for some special reason.
 

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India and iran were never friends. The mullas were making a chut*ya of India since the beginning.

Whenever their geo-political situation became tough they became India's "civilizational cousins" and whenever the pressure let up from the west iran went back to being a sly geo-political operator playing both sides.

That said, you cant blame the irani mullas for following the money. Its the naivety India's geo-pol planners who were on this weed of ancient civilizational friends.

This is the problem with India's foreign policy, it is very passive and most of the key decisions get made by others and India only reacts to them.
china becomes our enemy only when china decides to.
porkis become out enemy again at the time of their convenience.
Same for iran, nepal and others all are allowed to choose the tone of their relations with India.

It was expected from the corrupt congis but even Modi has turned out to be quite naïve in this regard.

As far as iran is concerned, India should have told them to feck off when the ONGC debacle happened in 2014.
In 2017 The Saudi's were begging India to save them in Yemen from the iranians but India declined citing relations with iran. What a joke. The old Yemeni leadership had even offered to provide India land for military bases if India helped them win but Inidan passive policy could not grab the opportunity.

India will remain a geo-political light weight till it becomes an aggressive and active player in regional conflicts. Both selling weapons and gaining strategic territory is badly needed for India.

We can only hope that Modiji realises all this an is biding time for some special reason.
Do you have the source for us being offerd land for military bases part would be an interesting read.
 
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