India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[Sehwag213]

Deterrence... if u have heard of it

U r talking like nehru who thought we don't need a army and 62 woke us from slumber...we are living in dangerous world....Imagine porkis marching to delhi without a bullet being fired...

How about taking some offensive action ?
How long we will keep defending?

 

[DownWithCCP]

No, the reports of him suffering from mystery "pancreatitis"/pancreatic ailment, and visiting the US for treatment, had started coming out around the beginning of 2018.

Pancreatic Cancer generally kills you in a span of months, but due to high quality care (I knew it was Pancreatic Cancer when I heard he was at Sloan Kettering in New York - arguably the world's best Cancer hospital), and a procedure known as the "Whipple Procedure" (possible in only some Pancreatic Cancer cases - I believe Parrikar got it done), they were able to buy him one more year.

Which is when we saw him continuing to work as CM of Goa in severe frailty even with a tube - at which point Rahul Gandhi/Congress tried getting meetings with him to take advantage of his sickness and put words in his mouth about the Rafale deal, and later tried toppling the Government as well - not to mention those Congress members who implied Parrikar's sickness was a result of him withholding secrets of a Rafale scam.

Woah that was petty and very cheap.

 

[ARVION]

How about taking some offensive action ?
How long we will keep defending?

That when my scenario's fit perfectly in such kind's of actione's.

 

[garg_bharat]

No... mis trust within babudon for US hardware and EUA with american jets is too much...IMO, India will stick to france for immediate requirements and develop LCA for future.. Already Rolls royce have a agreement to share IP for engine tech ... We will continue to buy from US to maintain balance but non combat equipments ...

Your argument is valid till the time we are able to keep Chinese at bay. The day two armies make contact, this logic will go up in smoke.

I doubt USA will restrict its products against China, or even Pakistan.

 

[garg_bharat]

You ,dont purchases weapon to be used , but purchases it to so that you never have to use it's , so never have to go to war's .

My friend, weapons are purchased to be used. But wars do not happen everyday. When war happens, your weapons better work!

 

[Sehwag213]

do you really think $ 100B (in the present time and near future) credit can bankrupt our country?

Yes if tenure of credit is around 5 years.
Rupee will tank.

 

[SimplyIndian]

Dassault’s PR guys would be wondering why the hell were we paying dalal’s, when it is so easy to create hype & frenzy among Indian public.

I assume this Rafale PR is required to show that Modi was right. We gave order of 36 and it was right. Congress was wrong from the start when they started Refale scam.

Ultimately, Modi wants to prove to General Public that he is right, and congress is wrong. He was doing it for Nation and Cong was doing it to topple the govt and just to get into Center. He is doing this to show that He is Nationalistic, but Cong is not.

China at the Gates has given him this opportunity. It will also increase BJP Vote share for sure.

 

[garg_bharat]

Yes if tenure of credit is around 5 years.
Rupee will tank.

So you think 20B USD per year will tank INR?

I can tell you that smart money already knows that a war with China is on the horizon; and rupee is actually appreciating slightly.

 

[DownWithCCP]

So the reports that said Modi was gonna be there was fake?

 

[Sehwag213]

So you think 20B USD per year will tank INR?

I can tell you that smart money already knows that a war with China is on the horizon; and rupee is actually appreciating slightly.

Nah smart money feels there will be diplomatic solution.
The moment balloon goes up, stock market will start tanking.

 

[Synergy]

No... mis trust within babudon for US hardware and EUA with american jets is too much...IMO, India will stick to france for immediate requirements and develop LCA for future.. Already Rolls royce have a agreement to share IP for engine tech ... We will continue to buy from US to maintain balance but non combat equipments ...

yesterday I wrote a comment, it was something like this...

if we buy say 6 squads of F16/18 to up squad strength a bit, in next 25/30 years I'm not seeing any reason for it to bar us from using those against China. if they do, we will be fine without those F16/18s in offensive missions with SU, Raffy, mwf, tedbf/orca/amca etc. then also, defending with those ACs won't attract any restriction.

US bars any weapon mainly for offensive purpose. during Balakot, Paki F16s would defend their airspace and US didn't have any problem with that.

we will be fine without those against Pak.

 

[SimplyIndian]

Yes if tenure of credit is around 5 years.
Rupee will tank.

How on earth, credit of USD 100 B bankrupt us, when we have USD 300 billion Plus govt revenue (Tax and non Tax) + GDP of USD 3 trillion (All india Revenue)+ USD500 + Forex reserve.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Dassault’s PR guys would be wondering why the hell were we paying dalal’s, when it is so easy to create hype & frenzy among Indian public.

Americans are burning with envy, seeing this other worldly PR

 

[Yash Patel]

राष्ट्ररक्षासमं पुण्यं,
राष्ट्ररक्षासमं व्रतम्,

राष्ट्ररक्षासमं यज्ञो,

दृष्टो नैव च नैव च।।

नभः स्पृशं दीप्तम्...

स्वागतम्! #RafaleInIndia

 

[Jay99]

Tawang And Arunachal Pradesh Well Secured, Point Out Ex-Officers

 

[Sehwag213]

How on earth, credit of USD 100 B bankrupt us, when we have USD 300 billion Plus govt revenue (Tax and non Tax) + GDP of USD 3 trillion (All india Revenue)+ USD500 + Forex reserve.

It won't bankrupt. Rupee will tank and nominal gdp will start decreasing similar to what is happening with Pakistan
Additional 20 billion imports per year with no corresponding increase in exports will ensure annual 5% depreciation of currency. And in a 5 year term , this would ensure our nominal gdp will fall by 22%

See how INR has fallen from 64 to 75 in last 3 years. This resulted in decrease of our nominal gdp by around 16% in last 3 years.
Means had currency not depreciated our gdp would have atleast 3.3 trillion dollar now instead of 2.9 trillion.

 

[garg_bharat]

Nah smart money feels there will be diplomatic solution.
The moment balloon goes up, stock market will start tanking.

Boss I have better feel than most on this forum.

 

[Synergy]

Yes if tenure of credit is around 5 years.
Rupee will tank.

firstly, most probably the tenure won't be 5 years. it will be 20 years.
next, 5 yr credit has almost negligible amount of interest rate (as far as I can recall).
next, when we have $70/80B private remittances (per yr) paying $20B/year won't be a very big deal (leaving every other thing aside).


next, even if ₹ tanks, if we can decrease our import a bit, lower value of ₹ will actually help us in the near future. and for your reference, China deliberately undervalued their currency to help export. I think you can recall US call to appreciate value of renminbi/yuan.

 

[garg_bharat]

How on earth, credit of USD 100 B bankrupt us, when we have USD 300 billion Plus govt revenue (Tax and non Tax) + GDP of USD 3 trillion (All india Revenue)+ USD500 + Forex reserve.

It wont.

And if we do well against China, we will get investments in trillions.

The sword hanging on India's head is China.

 

[ezsasa]

I assume this Rafale PR is required to show that Modi was right. We gave order of 36 and it was right. Congress was wrong from the start when they started Refale scam.

Ultimately, Modi wants to prove to General Public that he is right, and congress is wrong. He was doing it for Nation and Cong was doing it to topple the govt and just to get into Center. He is doing this to show that He is Nationalistic, but Cong is not.

China at the Gates has given him this opportunity. It will also increase BJP Vote share for sure.

Yup, anti Rafale PR in all news channels went on for three months atleast on a daily basis, pro-Rafale PR has been going on hardly for a week.