India-China 2020 Border conflict

[FalconZero]

The range is the issue. Stand off ranges are low since we do not have aircraft like F22 to penetrate there air defences, the max saw can achieve is 100Km.

I am thinking of the anti-radar missiles, this must be used.

Why no one is talking about Rudram series? Isn't this the entire purpose of anti-radiation missiles?
Rudram was tested last year successfully, has a range of 200km ( close to ), rudram 2 is due in this year, ( this month most proly ) with a range of around 300km.

Unironically, these SAM sites and radars are not a big deal, they can be taken care.

I know idrw is not the best source but here's an article from them about rudram ii :

The partly exposed missile in the picture is now confirmed to be India’s upcoming RudraM-II air-to-surface missile with conventional warheads with an operational range of 300km+. RudraM-II will be the second edition in the RudraM family, with RudraM-I being the first missile in the family that weighs 600kg and has an operational range of 200km.

RudraM-II: ‘Why aren’t we talking about this?! – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

 

[FalconZero]

Why no one is talking about Rudram series? Isn't this the entire purpose of anti-radiation missiles?
Rudram was tested last year successfully, has a range of 200km ( close to ), rudram 2 is due in this year, ( this month most proly ) with a range of around 300km.

Unironically, these SAM sites and radars are not a big deal, they can be taken care.

I know idrw is not the best source but here's an article from them about rudram ii :

RudraM-II: ‘Why aren’t we talking about this?! – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

Adding to this, most of the SAMs deployed by chinks are HQ-9 and HQ16 both have following ranges :

I am no expert but, Rudram mk2 (range 300km) or say even mk1 coupled with SAAW are enough for SEAD Role.

 

[scatterStorm]

This might be good for us. Potentially we could lure the semi conductor manufacturing here as there is no way US law will allow its ip to be based in a Taiwan absorbed into China. At some point, the US will have to decide: if shifting semi conductor manufacturing to other locations is the safest thing to do? The risks are enormous for the US today.
1. There is a constituency in Taiwan (bribed or because they are the same people) that favors integration with China.
2. Semiconductor manufacturing secrets stolen from Taiwan into China is a given. I mean it would be very easy for Chinese spies to do so.

The US would have to move the semi conductor manufacturing to other countries yesterday and setup financial incentives to do so. They would not have supported Taiwan becoming part of China without a plan to get their most valuable IP off the island. India needs to get active and do everything possible to grab this business.

Agreed, recently they are eyeing the dutch company that is the sole manufacture of SOC fabrication machines. If we need to strike CCP hard, strike hard by moving manufacturing to India.

 

[scatterStorm]

Why no one is talking about Rudram series? Isn't this the entire purpose of anti-radiation missiles?
Rudram was tested last year successfully, has a range of 200km ( close to ), rudram 2 is due in this year, ( this month most proly ) with a range of around 300km.

Unironically, these SAM sites and radars are not a big deal, they can be taken care.

I know idrw is not the best source but here's an article from them about rudram ii :

RudraM-II: ‘Why aren’t we talking about this?! – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

I am definitely seeing it as a game-changer but what could be the strategy for IAF:

1. Decoy formation for luring enemy fighters by Rafas and MKIs
2. Mirage as fighter escort to Jags with 4 Meteors and 2 Astra MK2
3. Jags as missile trucks for Rudram 1.

Issues:

1. Will this be employed very early in the campaign is the major question.
2. Given the fact that the standoff range for better hard kill is up to 180KM is still an issue, meaning our jets will be in the range of their SAMs. As a corollary, the opportunity cost is high, as we will be losing jets early for hitting those radar batteries.
3. Brahmos is ignored by the Chinese, especially the A2A variant, but why? What is their thought process here?

 

[Floydian]

How are we losing men so regularly on the LAC?!

 

[FalconZero]

I am definitely seeing it as a game-changer but what could be the strategy for IAF:

1. Decoy formation for luring enemy fighters by Rafas and MKIs
2. Mirage as fighter escort to Jags with 4 Meteors and 2 Astra MK2
3. Jags as missile trucks for Rudram 1.

Issues:

1. Will this be employed very early in the campaign is the major question.
2. Given the fact that the standoff range for better hard kill is up to 180KM is still an issue, meaning our jets will be in the range of their SAMs. As a corollary, the opportunity cost is high, as we will be losing jets early for hitting those radar batteries.
3. Brahmos is ignored by the Chinese, especially the A2A variant, but why? What is their thought process here?

Even with Rudram, ( we are ignoring brahmos/nirbhay here ), max range of Rudram 2 will be around 300km, similar to the most upgraded system of HQ-9.

A moving aircraft like Flanker vs less movable radars on the ground, even if both the missiles (Rudram 2 and from HQ-9) and in all ideal scenario, chances of Flankers coming out on top would be much higher. This of course is very rudimentary - ideal scenario i don't think IAF will go like that, maybe mix match of decoys + cruise missiles and our flankers. First they will use rudram missiles and then maybe SAAW can clean the ground.

Flankers, cuz they are the only platform on which Rudram series has been successfully tested. Maybe later on we can have tejas mk1a if possible.

Brahmos may have cost issue associated with it but then again, in the ongoing war, who would care for that?

 

[Raaakisazih]

How are we losing men so regularly on the LAC?!

How did it happen man

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

@18:10, so IA going up to Black and Helmet Tops were true

 

[FalconZero]

@18:10, so IA going up to Black and Helmet Tops were true

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA Fuck, enemies have deployed their stooge.

 

[Jimih]

Near Tawang

 

[Marliii]

 

[mokoman]

@18:10, so IA going up to Black and Helmet Tops were true

he probably talking about the helmet top , black top ridge line .

i checked old sat images around aug 29 - sept 3 , day we occupied peaks.

chinese started building structures on helmet top on sept 1 itself.

our position wasnt on black top but on "yellow bump" which is closer to LAC , we never went to black top which is too far away from LAC.

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

How did it happen man

Accident colds etc hypothermia people die even healthy people can have a heart attack in such cold area the accident are very less no reports from our neighbors you think this is too much BCS Thier are no info from our enemies

 

[SUPERPOWER]

@18:10, so IA going up to Black and Helmet Tops were true

Am i seeing Boorkha Khan dutta!!!

 

[omaebakabaka]

I am definitely seeing it as a game-changer but what could be the strategy for IAF:

1. Decoy formation for luring enemy fighters by Rafas and MKIs
2. Mirage as fighter escort to Jags with 4 Meteors and 2 Astra MK2
3. Jags as missile trucks for Rudram 1.

Issues:

1. Will this be employed very early in the campaign is the major question.
2. Given the fact that the standoff range for better hard kill is up to 180KM is still an issue, meaning our jets will be in the range of their SAMs. As a corollary, the opportunity cost is high, as we will be losing jets early for hitting those radar batteries.
3. Brahmos is ignored by the Chinese, especially the A2A variant, but why? What is their thought process here?

Terrain based tactics are the best defense for IAF against Chinese and the Chinese seems to be taking steps to take that advantage out a little bit....their build up is certainly going to create challenges for us but this was not totally unanticipated and therefore the full focus on the missiles on our side. I think as long as we have numbers and offensive strategy, we can hold our own in my opinion.

Not much real data to go by when it comes to beyond 100 km BVR missiles of any kind....so rudram and all may be more against static radar sites mostly

 

[Jimih]

'Debt Trap' laid by China

But again China on full swing to influence India's neighbours

 

[fire starter]

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

 

[another_armchair]

Afghanistan shares a 75-80 km long border with China.

Taliban has repeatedly assured China of co-operation.

Only time will tell if the old RPG-7s, Type-56 and Chinese grenades will be back with tangos crossing into Kashmir.

PoK is our territory. Any camps in our PoK is a direct threat to India and we have every right to neutralise it. Going forward, any threat to India arising from PoK should be roasted without remorse.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Afghanistan shares a 75-80 km long border with China.

Taliban has repeatedly assured China of co-operation.

Only time will tell if the old RPG-7s, Type-56 and Chinese grenades will be back with tangos crossing into Kashmir.

PoK is our territory. Any camps in our PoK is a direct threat to India and we have every right to neutralise it. Going forward, any threat to India arising from PoK should be roasted without remorse.

Taking territory is easy. Holding it is another thing. Let’s see if the Taliban can hold onto the gained areas. Afghan forces are still better equipped and better trained than the Taliban and sooner or later they would launch a counter offensive. It maybe a bloody civil war all over again - the best scenario for us actually. A civil war destabilizes both porkiland and occupied East Turkestan at the same time - potentially even letting isis into these areas to cause some serious chaos - ideal for us. Russia and India might have to join hands again to reactivate the Ayni airbase and setup hospitals for the Afghan government soldiers in the wakhan corridor and Tajikistan. China is the unknown card in all this. Looks like they don’t want to be involved. Pretty quiet from their side.