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all these chinese bravado puts every nation on alert about NOT DOING BUSINESS with china.
c'mon which politician would like to hear media and cabinet questioning them on "despite the incident in India why did they allocate the project to china!"

Xi got into big xit with such bravado.

Gobar times will come up with mujra!
 

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all these chinese bravado puts every nation on alert about NOT DOING BUSINESS with china.
c'mon which politician would like to hear media and cabinet questioning them on "despite the incident in India why did they allocate the project to china!"

Xi got into big xit with such bravado.

Gobar times will come up with mujra!
They will play the vicitim card and say India started it with this

Cyberattack from India targets Chinese medical facilities amid coronavirus fight: experts
 

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chinese plan well in advance with propaganda in the media.
Say they want to use an activist monkey against India..they will start the campaign an year or 2 early..flooding the internet with the articles on that activist..so that google etc will index the articles about their proxy.
then use that activist for anti India activities..

So well..if chinese says India did a cyber attack..it simply means they are planning something on India 6 months or an year from then.
 

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This Govt certainly is much more responsive than the previous regime, but action is still late

For instance Indian military Tri-service cyber warfare command was activated in 2019
Defence Cyber Agency

However, Doval has been concerned about this long before he became the NSA, so not loosing much sleep on this
Cyber security is a continuous process, we can only hope that this has been institutionalised so that political changes do not negatively impact the policy and budgets.
 

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china is more connected than india as a part of their "surveillance" /social credit system infrastructure and hence very vulnerable.
hehe..
Thats just a start!
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No. They may be vulnerable, but we don't have the capability to hit at them, at least in the cyberspace. As @Syama Ayas mentioned, we aren't exactly known for launching cyber-attacks. We are pretty good at space-warfare, we need to rapidly ramp up our cyber-warfare divisions. We have no dearth of talent for offensive ops, and we have plenty of money to throw at them. The only thing needed is babooze will to pass the paperwork, and actually do something.

Besides, we do have the capability to attack Pak, and have conducted test-runs on their power grids. You will see this first-hand during the PoK war.
 

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No. They may be vulnerable, but we don't have the capability to hit at them, at least in the cyberspace. As @Syama Ayas mentioned, we aren't exactly known for launching cyber-attacks. We are pretty good at space-warfare, we need to rapidly ramp up our cyber-warfare divisions. We have no dearth of talent for offensive ops, and we have plenty of money to throw at them. The only thing needed is babooze will to pass the paperwork, and actually do something.

Besides, we do have the capability to attack Pak, and have conducted test-runs on their power grids. You will see this first-hand during the PoK war.
Just to clarify, India's cyber attack campaigns are not as numerous as Chinese, because unlike Chinese, India does not engage in IP theft through cyber espionage

Also, Indian cyber espionage campaigns being more focused on China and South Asia do not get detected due to poor capability of these nations to detect them.

Chinese for instance do not have any private sector security company except 360 Qihoo of identifying these attacks

For example, the one targeting Norway got exposed as these nations have capable domestic companies capable of detecting them

Norman Shark Cyber Research Report Uncovers First Large Cyber Espionage Activity Emanating From India
 

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An email was received from CERT-In on 19th November, 2020 on the threat of malware called Shadow Pad at some control centres of POSOCO. Accordingly, action has been taken to address these threats: Power Ministry

NCIIPC informed through mail on Feb 12 about threat by Red Echo through malware Shadow Pad that “Chinese state-sponsored threat Actor group known as Red Echo is targeting Indian Power sector's Regional Load Dispatch Centres along with State Load Dispatch Centres": Power Ministry

All IPs & domains listed in NCIIPC mail have been blocked in firewall at all control centres. Log of firewall is being monitored for any connection attempt towards listed IPs & domains. Additionally,all systems in control centres were scanned & cleaned by antivirus : Power Ministry

Really, i hope that the tweet attributed to power ministry are "representational only".

Much needs to be done than just "block IP/domain" in firewall & use anti virus.
 

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Just to clarify, India's cyber attack campaigns are not as numerous as Chinese, because unlike Chinese, India does not engage in IP theft through cyber espionage

Also, Indian cyber espionage campaigns being more focused on China and South Asia do not get detected due to poor capability of these nations to detect them.

Chinese for instance do not have any private sector security company except 360 Qihoo of identifying these attacks

For example, the one targeting Norway got exposed as these nations have capable domestic companies capable of detecting them

Norman Shark Cyber Research Report Uncovers First Large Cyber Espionage Activity Emanating From India
If I am not wrong, Hangover, the malware mentioned in your article, was also used by a GoI-sponsored APT. But why would GoI attack Telenor?
 

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I am referring to cyber attacks as state policy, highly unlikely.

If individuals are doing it on their own, it’s a separate issue.
Dropping Elephant and Viceroy Tiger are Indian state-sponsored APT's. Individual attacks from private individuals not working on behalf of the government are too many to count, but they don't help India, so they don't matter.
 

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Another thing to be mentioned here is the US nuclear posture change with respect to Russia. The Wolfpack posted on Twitter recently about this, where the US has not ruled out a nuclear retaliation to a massive, crippling cyber-attack. Another thing the US did, was to install their own code into Russian power grids in response to Russia doing the same, therefore acting as a "deterrent".

India desperately needs to up its cyber-warfare activity. Defensive, is a given, which HAS to be done. Offensive also needs to be stepped up. If NTRO can access undersea cables and telephone data from throughout the world and China, cyber-attacks are also very much possible. It is only a lack of will, and lethargy among the babus. The present set-up is absolutely horrible. The GoI acted on some things recommended by NSA Menon, but cyber-warfare needs to be stepped up even more, and it should not remain in the hands of the Armed Forces. RAW/NTRO should handle the DCA, with the recruits coming from the middle-end of our colleges. We have no shortage of decent coders.
 

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An email was received from CERT-In on 19th November, 2020 on the threat of malware called Shadow Pad at some control centres of POSOCO. Accordingly, action has been taken to address these threats: Power Ministry

NCIIPC informed through mail on Feb 12 about threat by Red Echo through malware Shadow Pad that “Chinese state-sponsored threat Actor group known as Red Echo is targeting Indian Power sector's Regional Load Dispatch Centres along with State Load Dispatch Centres": Power Ministry

All IPs & domains listed in NCIIPC mail have been blocked in firewall at all control centres. Log of firewall is being monitored for any connection attempt towards listed IPs & domains. Additionally,all systems in control centres were scanned & cleaned by antivirus : Power Ministry

This is serious when Power ministry officially blames "Chinese state backed" hacker group . Looks like the NYT report was released after deliberations with GOI.
 

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No. They may be vulnerable, but we don't have the capability to hit at them, at least in the cyberspace. As @Syama Ayas mentioned, we aren't exactly known for launching cyber-attacks. We are pretty good at space-warfare, we need to rapidly ramp up our cyber-warfare divisions. We have no dearth of talent for offensive ops, and we have plenty of money to throw at them. The only thing needed is babooze will to pass the paperwork, and actually do something.

Besides, we do have the capability to attack Pak, and have conducted test-runs on their power grids. You will see this first-hand during the PoK war.
in espionage..your success is never known..only your failures.
and almost every day we learn about chinese espionage attempts
 
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