India-China 2020 Border conflict

[nick_indian]

A lot of problems I have with this statement.

Looks like the present situation is the new status quo. Could be wrong.

 

[IndiaRising]

Looks like the present situation is the new status quo. Could be wrong.

that’s the problem.

 

[IndiaRising]

1)i don't think its a climbdown for India
2)china meekly accepting it has found its match and china can't bulldoze like it did with many countries in South China sea Propaganda is not doing any impact on Indian military on the other hand its becoming comical especially in India and rest of the world
the more issue gets dragged it will be difficult for china to explain to its impatient people who are waiting for swift and decisive victory

3)China i think is waiting for Us eclections to get over and have friendly Kamala harris govt when they announce war on India

we have abandoned even talking of returning to status quo ante and now just keep repeating BS to not unilaterally change something that has already been changed

 

[Synergy]

10 years ago it was said we will surpass China, thanks to their bioweapon we are now sliding closer towards South Africa/ Russia type countries in terms of growth rate.
In 10 more years China will be a literal superpower, probably with it's own high tech semiconductor industries, jet engines, blue water navy and more sophisticated bioweapons.
Dhoti shivering will be even worse then

till now, I've never seen anything like we will surpass China (at least not within 2050). can you please provide me a link?

only thing we used to hear was Chinese economy (gdp) to become world no 1 by 2045-2050 or so.

Yes, main target of Wuhan virus was economy.

this year we have to face recession like every other country (may be except China). no country can sustain gdp with 3 months of lock down. but we will recover and our growth rate should be higher. but Chinese economy will eventually contract.

 

[DownWithCCP]

Full depression after joint statement with no mention of status quo ante

 

[FalconZero]

Full statement in text:

Joint Press Release of the 6th round of Senior Commanders' Meeting between
India and China
On September 21, the Indian and Chinese Senior Commanders held the 6th
round of Military Commander-Level Meeting. The two sides had candid and in-
depth exchanges of views on stabilizing the situation along the LAC in the India
- China border areas. They agreed to earnestly implement the important
consensus reached by the leaders of the two countries, strengthen
communication on the ground, avoid misunderstandings and misjudgments,
stop sending more troops to the frontline, refrain from unilaterally changing the
situation on the ground, and avoid taking any actions that may complicate the
situation. The two sides also agreed to hold the 7th round of Military
Commander-Level Meeting as soon as possible, take practical measures to
properly solve problems on the ground, and jointly safeguard peace and
tranquility in the border area.

Source: LINK
Summary: Chai Biscuit as usual.

 

[tarunraju]

Apparently India is going to de facto ban all Chinese investments into India's banking, finance, and fintech sectors, and come up with strict data-localization rules for Indian companies of these sectors that currently have Chinese investments.

Eg: if PayTM shares your data with its Chinese investors, it will start losing its licenses.

 

[pruthvi24]

we have abandoned even talking of returning to status quo ante and now just keep repeating BS to not unilaterally change something that has already been changed

there is no going back to status quo war will come in couple of months or some next couple of years its better we use this time to prepare for the situation and not end up on the losing side

 

[shade]

till now, I've never seen anything like we will surpass China (at least not within 2050). can you please provide me a link?

only thing we used to hear was Chinese economy (gdp) to become world no 1 by 2045-2050 or so.

Yes, main target of Wuhan virus was economy.

this year we have to face recession like every other country (may be except China). no country can sustain gdp with 3 months of lock down. but we will recover and our growth rate should be higher. but Chinese economy will eventually contract.

There is a thread here from 2010, prediction was made by Swaminathan Aiyar, i can see it even now in the "similar threads" section below this thread.
It is now closed because chinks( or pakis acting like chinks ) came 10 years later here to gloat about how wrong the prediction was

India to overtake China in 2020: Swaminathan Aiyar

Don't fool yourself. The tendency is changing already. The 'hindu rate of growth', which allowed China to achieve its advantage in the first place, no longer exists. You amuse me. China's GDP is 5 trillion dollars in 2009? And India's GDP is what it was in 2008? Hardy f^ckin har! While...

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Apparently India is going to de facto ban all Chinese investments into India's banking, fincance, and fintech sectors, and come up with strict data-localization rules for Indian companies of these sectors that currently have Chinese investments.

Eg: if PayTM shares your data with its Chinese investors, it will start losing its licenses.

Very good if true, startup walas are addicted to ching chong money.

 

[12arya]

https://www.raksha-anirveda.com/where-xi-jinping-faulted-in-ladakh/

Where Xi Jinping Faulted in Ladakh

by Lt. Gen Prakash Chand Katoch (Retd)

Indian occupation of dominating heights south of Pangong Tso right up to Chushul heights and onwards covering the Spanggur Gap foiling Chinese intruding columns stumped Beijing and this is one of major plans of Xi where he faulted.

In 1999, Pakistan surprised India completely with massive intrusions in Kargil using its Special Services Group (SSG), five to seven Northern Light Infantry battalions and Pakistan-based terrorists disguised as Kashmiri militants. Pakistani infiltration beginning February 1999 set up some 132 vantage points across the Line of Control (LOC) in the heights of lower Mushkoh Valley, along the Marpo La ridgeline in Dras, in Kaksar near Kargil and in the Batalik sector east of the Indus River in the heights of Chorbatla where the LOC turns North into the Turtok sector south of Shyok River in Siachen area.

While Indian intelligence slept, Tashi Namgyal, a grazier from Village Gharkon near Batalik town first sighted the infiltrators on May 3, 1999 reported it to the Army. However, the extent of the infiltration and number of infiltrators was still not known. Then on May 15, 1999 a patrol led by Captain Saurabh Kalia out to patrol the area of Bajrang Post was ambushed by the enemy. Kalia’s patrol ran out of ammunition in the crossfire and was captured by Pakistani troops. This led to the launch of Operation ‘Vijay’ by India that eventually routed all the infiltrators.

Pakistani army chief Pervez Musharraf who had planned the operation miscalculated the resilience of the Indian soldiers and capacity to capture Pakistanis-held dominating heights in high altitude devoid of vegetation and cover under intense shelling. The other blunder was opening fire on Captain Kalia’s patrol. Had the Pakistanis lain doggo without revealing their intentions, India would have discovered the extent of infiltration that much late, taking the eviction closer towards the next winter. On the Indian side, other than intelligence failure was the belief that such infiltration was not possible during winter months though we were in occupation of the Saltoro Range in Siachen Glacier area since 1984.

China enacted Kargil in Ladakh during May. Indian intelligence slept even while major induction of PLA in Aksai Chin and a new road was built four kilometres short of Galwan. There was no grazier to warm the army this time, as had been the case in Kargil. Chinese intrusions in area of Pangong Tso, Gogra/Hot Spring and Galwan came as a surprise and so did in Depsang few days later. The current situation in the area is known to the readers with India having occupied important dominating heights south of Pangong Tso that are making China uncomfortable since our troops overlook some Chinese positions and avenues for more PLA intrusions are blocked. In other areas of eastern Ladakh, heavy Indian deployment precludes further PLA ingress even as talks are ongoing.

Many reasons may be attributed to the latest PLA attacks in Eastern Ladakh and mobilisation along entire length of LAC, which include formation of Union Territory of Ladakh by India; perception of India aligned with US against China; border area infrastructure development by India particularly the Darbuk-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldi Road and Indian opposition to CPEC among others

The entire PLA operation was planned by President Xi Jinping himself who is Commander-in-Chief of PLA and has assumed full control of all police and para-military forces as well. Immediately after becoming President in 2013, he had ordered PLA intrusion in Depsang which was some 19 km deep across the Line of Actual Control (LAC), where PLA remained for three week before withdrawing after India dismantled its surveillance structures in Chumar 400 km south of Depsang as demanded by China.

Many reasons are attributed to the current PLA attacks in Eastern Ladakh and mobilisation along entire length of LAC, like: formation of Union Territory of Ladakh by India; perception of India aligned with US against China; border area infrastructure development by India particularly the Darbuk-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldi Road; Indian opposition to China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC); destabilising India; taxing Indian economy with additional defence expenditure while fighting the pandemic; forces India to accept Chinese supremacy in Asia, and; teaching India a lesson. According to intelligence sources, China was to launch the operation last year during winter months but was delayed because of the pandemic. The invasion had been rehearsed on a life-sized land model inside China during 2014, as has been revealed by an Australian scholar showing satellite imagery of the training area.

Xi reportedly personally briefed General Zhao Zongqi, commander of PLA’s Western Theatre Command for the current operation; both going over minutest details including how to attack and brutalise Indian troops using specially trained troops in Galwan with iron rods, clubs with steel spikes, machetes with barbed wire, swords and stones. Zongqi is Xi Jinping’s blue-eyed having occupied Doklam Plateau in Bhutan after the India-China standoff was called off in 2017.

For long China has dreamed of joining hands with Pakistan along the Shyok River in Ladakh, taking all territory north of it including the Siachen Glacier. Capture of water resources is a major aim of China with an eye on the future. That is why China asked Pakistan to handover Shaksgam (in Pakistan occupied Kashmir) and is eyeing complete control of Pangong Tso and annex Siachen Glacier.

Capture of water resources is a major aim of China with an eye on the future. That is why China asked Pakistan to handover Shaksgam (in Pakistan occupied Kashmir) and is eyeing complete control of Pangong Tso and annex Siachen Glacier.

Xi Jinping had timed the operation very well. India had been hit by Xi’s biological bomb (China Virus), summer exercises in Ladakh were cancelled because of the lockdown and rail movement restricted for the same reasons affecting mobilisation. Xi had already lulled India into complacency showing no intention he would attack us. This then was the setting when Xi struck. But when one is drunk with power and ready to take on the entire world, miscalculations are bound to happen and no one dare to correct the Supremo – witness five ministers executed in North Korea for questioning Kim Jong-un.

Where Xi Jinping went wrong can be summarized as under:

• Grossly miscalculated the grit and fighting spirit of Indian soldiers who inflicted much more casualties on the PLA without firing weapons even after surprise attacks in Galwan.

• The intention possibly was to attract attention to areas like Pangong Tso, Gogra/Hot Springs and Galwan with thrust coming to DBO. That is why the intrusion in Depsang came at a later date but by then India had moved considerable forces including tanks with supporting artillery, air defence and IAF resources to block further enemy advance.

• Indian occupation of dominating heights south of Pangong Tso right up to Chushul heights and onwards covering the Spanggur Gap foiling Chinese intruding columns stumped Beijing. Having inducted two mechanised divisions plus into eastern Ladakh, Zongqi could have easily diverted two brigades to attempt occupying these very heights in May itself, occupation of which would have placed India in a perilous position. Xi and Zongqi perhaps planned this for a later phase, if at all, but never expected India to take such an initiative.

The intention possibly was to attract attention to areas like Pangong Tso, Gogra/Hot Springs and Galwan with thrust coming to DBO. That is why the intrusion in Depsang came at a later date but by then India had moved considerable forces

What happens next? Despite all the talks, Xi needs to divert attention from problems at home, test PLA in battle and show a big victory. Winter is no problem for Indian troops who are battle hardened in very high altitudes, which is not the case with PLA. No matter what technology is employed, the soldier on ground matters at those heights. What action Xi takes is difficult to gauge but despite pretenses gloves are off.

Representative image

He could make a thrust towards DBO testing all his latest weaponry but that could cause heavy casualties on both sides with possibility of international conflict with sparks in western pacific and mainland China targeted. Alternatively, he could attack along both banks of Pangong Tso but unlikely making headway. Another option is to keep applying pressure in Ladakh while opening another front elsewhere. The bottom line is that Xi Jinping wants to show a worthwhile victory to the world whereas India needs to break the false aura of the PLA. We can definitely do this.

 

[Cheran]

Any joint statement where status quo ante is not restored is a defeat for India. It must be categorically laid out, otherwise we will know that the govt has capitulated. If they attempt to reverse the gains we have made in Chushul, we will know that govt does not have stomach for winter deployment at LAC.

Status quo ante means India vacating 39 heights it has occupied. (readjusted to)

 

[Assassin 2.0]

 

[Cheran]

When you attempt to look for diplomatic solution to military problems, even barking dogs gather courage against you

The only thing burning is in his Turkkan ass

 

[ninja hattori]

To,

The people,

Subject : status quo is not mentioned.

Reason : becoz now we are the one changing the status quo.

Objective : please stop the meltdown after every statement.

 

[Sehwag213]

Full depression after joint statement with no mention of status quo ante

Status quo ante would also mean IA vacating the occupied hill which maybe they don't want to do.
There can't be one sided status quo ante.

 

[samsaptaka]

While Americans hardly fought on the european front.. they did a lot of fighting against Japan.. and were at the doorstep of the Japanese home islands after completely decimating the japanese navy..

Eh ? They fought in italy, dday, normandy france , belgium , germany and ended the war jointly with russia. 'hardly' is an inaccurate term.
Sorry for OT, but forced me to reply.

 

[pruthvi24]

Status quo ante means India vacating 39 heights it has occupied.

absoultely China actually burnt the status quo bridge during galwan itself

 

[FalconZero]

Fat gaya volcano?

 

[tharikiran]

To the dhoti shivering guys here.. statement means jack shit. Army talks will continue, till the chinese blink and go back. We are stocked for winter and now it's for Modi to take the call as to when they need to be evicted. The longer these talks stretch, the more Army will readjust all grey areas. Modi's directive is clear and army is also on same page. If it was congress.. no readjustment would have been done. Wouldn't even have made news.

 

[Hellfire]

respectfully disagree. he is just trolling around and fancies himself as some kind of 2 star general and gallantry award recipient or something.

@tigerhill is real deal on this forum. he will occasionally show up on this forum.

Respectfully disagree.

Am a very patient guy. That is all.


Meanwhile, still waiting to be debunked 99.5% of the times.

Somebody was claiming the ability.

And I have recently acquired the ability to go ahead in time and post. So, now I do not need to hover and reach educated guess.