India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Lost user]

Gurung Hill on it's own is not occupied by the PLA. They are slightly lower to the ridge, about 50 odd meters away from own positions.

Also, one can not physically stop another from coming and sitting along a ridge without fighting hand to hand for every inch. So, anywhere where our troops were not sitting, they occupied accordingly.

The tactical ascendancy, in all instances, was maintained by us even on these points.

How old is Dhan Singh Thapa post at F3 ? Any idea...

 

[sunshine]

Use the result to deduce the fact.Both sides have achieved their respective goals, otherwise they would not have signed the agreement.
Defining the border is the cornerstone of long-term stability.With the increasing capacity of both sides, it turned out that some areas might be patrolled by both sides once a week, and they could not touch each other at all.But now they may patrol every day and encounter many times.In fact, the two sides did not agree on the actual control line in time. In fact, can first draw a clear line between the certificate boundary or the border where there is little dispute.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Use the result to deduce the fact. Both sides have achieved their respective goals, otherwise they would not have signed the agreement.
Defining the border is the cornerstone of long-term stability.With the increasing capacity of both sides, it turned out that some areas might be patrolled by both sides once a week, and they could not touch each other at all.But now they may patrol every day and encounter many times.In fact, the two sides did not agree on the actual control line in time. In fact, can first draw a clear line between the certificate boundary or the border where there is little dispute.

What was the goal of China?

 

[Lost user]

What was the goal of China?

Dont ask.. Don't tell..

 

[mokoman]

Maj Dhan Singh Thapa post, the ITBP post you are saying, lies between F2 & 3, hugging F3. ITBP is written on F3 hill.

There is a motorable road till the northern side of F4. But there is no road from the northern side of F4 to the southern side of F4, i.e., from the F3-F4 area to F4+ area.

There is a motorable road till the northern side of F4.

you mean western side of f4 , between f3 and f4 , there is unpaved track as @Hellfire says.

Looks like work started on that section only in 2014 , its still not motorable.

Chinese have been building road - rail - bridges all over tibet , meanwhile we have been sitting on our asses.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Use the result to deduce the fact.Both sides have achieved their respective goals, otherwise they would not have signed the agreement.
Defining the border is the cornerstone of long-term stability.With the increasing capacity of both sides, it turned out that some areas might be patrolled by both sides once a week, and they could not touch each other at all.But now they may patrol every day and encounter many times.In fact, the two sides did not agree on the actual control line in time. In fact, can first draw a clear line between the certificate boundary or the border where there is little dispute.

Border cannot be defined until cheen takes a initiative.
Anyway , cheen defined its border with nepal ,way back in 1961 , yet it is proven cheen has intruded in many villages all along the cheen nepal border .
Now this is something i like in a way , that agreements are temporary and can be broken on convenience it seems.

 

[Cactus09]

What was the goal of China?

Udta teer gand me lena if you go by current situation.

 

[sunshine]

What was the goal of China?

Well, who knows? If I knew, I would be Xi Jinping. But what is certain is that the two sides do not want to fight， or One side would have use gun.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Well, who knows? If I knew, I would be Xi Jinping. But what is certain is that the two sides do not want to fight， or One side would have use gun.

Again one good thing is " cut the spread of misinformation"

 

[mist_consecutive]

Well, who knows? If I knew, I would be Xi Jinping. But what is certain is that the two sides do not want to fight， or One side would have use gun.

Well, in such a case, will it be pertinent to say since the goals of China cannot be identified at this point, there might be a slight possibility that the hidden goals might not have been completed?

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Have they started growing roses there that everyone has such a peaceful post conflict analysis tone ?

 

[sunshine]

Again one good thing is " cut the spread of misinformation"

Well, in such a case, will it be pertinent to say since the goals of China cannot be identified at this point, there might be a slight possibility that the hidden goals might not have been completed?

Contact contact, quarrel and quarrel, at least know what the other side wants to do.
We ordinary people should not assume who must be intentional, or who must be innocent.
The truth is sometimes worse than the imagination. It could be anything.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Contact contact, quarrel and quarrel, at least know what the other side wants to do.
We ordinary people should not assume who must be intentional, or who must be innocent.
The truth is sometimes worse than the imagination. It could be anything.

I see , indeed for I have seen it in my life itself .

 

[mist_consecutive]

There is a motorable road till the northern side of F4.

you mean western side of f4 , between f3 and f4 , there is unpaved track as @Hellfire says.

Looks like work started on that section only in 2014 , its still not motorable.

Chinese have been building road - rail - bridges all over tibet , meanwhile we have been sitting on our asses.

The blue one is unpaved road till F4, trucks & vehicles can move over it. The red line is foot path till the F4 protrusion.

If you go to Google Earth & zoom into the point where this blue line ends at the base of F4 hill, you can see vehicles (probably AL Stallion) and Indian tents.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Have they started growing roses there that everyone has such a peaceful post conflict analysis tone ?

"Speak softly, but carry a big stick".

Regardless, we got no quarrel with common Chinese folks, nor they have any with us. CCP is evil & overtly ambitious, and Chinese people cannot speak against them.

Contact contact, quarrel and quarrel, at least know what the other side wants to do.
We ordinary people should not assume who must be intentional, or who must be innocent.
The truth is sometimes worse than the imagination. It could be anything.

Well, since we are on a defence forum, our agenda revolves around dissecting the strategy and motives.

 

[mokoman]

The blue one is unpaved road till F4, trucks & vehicles can move over it. The red line is foot path till the F4 protrusion.

If you go to Google Earth & zoom into the point where this blue line ends at the base of F4 hill, you can see vehicles (probably AL Stallion) and Indian tents.

The blue one is unpaved road till F4, trucks & vehicles can move over it.

you can see vehicles (probably AL Stallion) and Indian tents.

Thank you , thats what i was saying.

i thought i was going blind.

 

[sunshine]

"Speak softly, but carry a big stick".

Regardless, we got no quarrel with common Chinese folks, nor they have any with us. CCP is evil & overtly ambitious, and Chinese people cannot speak against them.



Well, since we are on a defence forum, our agenda revolves around dissecting the strategy and motives.

So we can only assume 3ways
1. Neither side has the intention of provoking a border conflict, but because of the overlap of the actual control areas,
2. India's initiatives, motives, purposes
3. China's initiative, motive and purpose

 

[mist_consecutive]

So we can only assume 3ways
1. Neither side has the intention of provoking a border conflict, but because of the overlap of the actual control areas,
2. India's initiatives, motives, purposes
3. China's initiative, motive and purpose

Well, your first point is incorrect. India does not want a border conflict with China. The same cannot be said for China.
Proof?

Nail-studded sticks and batons used by PLA to attack our troops during Galwan ambush.

PLA carrying Guandao tried to attack our positions on South Pangong Tso.

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[mokoman]

From picture @mist_consecutive posted

After disenagement we have to move along blue line from right side end (F4) to left side end (F3) .

Good thing we never completed road i guess LOL

@mist_consecutive sentinel images for yesterday just released .

 

[ezsasa]

So we can only assume 3ways
1. Neither side has the intention of provoking a border conflict, but because of the overlap of the actual control areas,

This statement is incorrect.

if PLA had gone back after their annual military training exercises in that area, we wouldn't be having this discussion. instead PLA turned west, and landed at galwan.