India-China 2020 Border conflict

[JBH22]

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Lol you know what a BMP-2 can do but a Chinese junk can’t? That 40mm round can fvck the Chinese junk’s armour pretty badly, can carry multiple soldiers, can fire multiple ATGMs, can manoeuvre faster what else you want?

Also angle of elevation of 30mm gun makes more sense in mountainous areas.

 

[DownWithCCP]

Chinese Retreat at LAC


A more definitive solution for current LAC situation will be for the Chinese to fire the now transferred and reassigned general who created this situation. Reassigning that fool of a general will be mediocre punishment. He has to be disgraced and sent to a punishment commune. He created the situation at LAC which resulted in 20 Indian soldiers deaths and more than 45 to 60 Chinese soldiers death. He brought the two nations to the verge of war for no particular reason. He was also the master of Doklam confrontation. Until India occupied the heights on Aug 29/30, the masters in the Peking were not fully aware. Now India threatened their supply line and put a huge area now under Chinese occupation into jeopardy. The changed situation mellowed the offending general and Indian tanks were ready to make mince meat of light and not fight worthy Chinese tanks. Now the Chinese master in Peking were angry and started their own internal deliberations. They were also at the receiving end of huge Indian economic retaliation.

After Aug 29th, It took Chinese political leaders two months to deliberate and they reached a conclusion. The Global Times propaganda has to be muzzled. The offending general has to be transferred out. The new general was ordered to de-escalate the situation. In this winter period where Chinese were loosing too many of their semi trained conscripts to high altitude sickness, better to de-escalate now than later. Hence the ninth Commander’s meet was specifically held at Chinese initiative to force a withdrawal. The said withdrawal had to be mutual, read in between the lines, save Chinese prestige and begin withdrawal immediately. ....... It is now happening.

The net conclusion, Chinese invincibility prestige has been shattered. Moreover, much of the Chinese army fighting capability was exposed. It is nothing more than a paper tiger. It has great number and great budget but very poor quality hardware, all copied and reverse engineered of either Russian or American stuff, and not battle worthy. Many Indian, Chinese paid defence analyst are at a loss to explain Chinese defeat and loss of prestige.

From Indian point of view, India learnt never to trust the Chinese at political or military level. Modi, Rajnath Singh, Gen. Rawat and his juniors are to be heavily complemented for their resolve and perseverance. Chinese thought that Indians will retreat afraid of winter. Instead the winter bothered Chinese a lot more than the Indians. Also Indian military hardware withstood the winter better than the Chinese. This is Chinese first defeat after 1962. It is their second after they miserably lost the battle in 1979 against Vietnam border war.

Bless you Indian soldiers and complement the foolish Chinese general to give you this victory.

very apt summary of the events that took place, it finally seems like the chinese are giving up.
To anyone who argues that this was a stalemate I will tell you this, identify who started the aggression and the objective with which he started the aggression, has it been met or not is the next question the answer to which is most likely no, then you can clearly declare a victor and that victor is India.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Lol you know what a BMP-2 can do but a Chinese junk can’t? That 40mm round can fvck the Chinese junk’s armour pretty badly, can carry multiple soldiers, can fire multiple ATGMs, can manoeuvre faster what else you want?

Are you sure? The BMPs gun is a 30mm cannon, has a penetration of around 25mm at 60deg, which on not considering ERA (It won't even defeat their thin-skinned Type 15 light tanks)
ATGMs sure can be an advantage, but so can T-72/T-90/soldier with ATGM ducking in the bunker.

IMO I see more sense in fielding T-90s or T-72 Ajeya Mk-2s instead of BMP-2.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Chinese were using tanks from such a low ground??? Don't know what chinese were thinking or if they have
any idea of military doctrines??

You expect bat soup consumers to have knowledge on military tactics? Last war PLA fought was in Tiananmen square against the world’s most powerful military, the Han Chinese.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

You expect bat soup consumers to have knowledge on military tactics? Last war PLA fought was in Tiananmen square.

Good to know pakis have full faith in these bat loving ladyboys.

 

[rone]

Chinese were using tanks from such a low ground??? Don't know what chinese were thinking or if they have
any idea of military doctrines??

yes you are correct this is the first time their millennial generals get a chance to get experience in high altitude warfare, most of Chinese officer level training based on methodical simulations and pre ussr doctrine combination, where mass troop or saturated level offensive defense is main thing, that is why they saturated area with tanks IFVs etc , but as Indian army with decades of experience in mountain warfare and more qualified and experienced generals they resorted to spread the assets use area denial operation from safe distance, also glimpse's of sat images we can see all fixed position IA located near to ambush positions of mech formation or narrow openings also distributed mech divisions can easily help in case IAF enter in to close combat support role using helis, from my point of view the Chinese tank stack will be a juicy target for even milan 2t one tank explosion near top a stack can cause a chain explosion or more causalities

 

[sorcerer]

'We will judge Chinese by their actions not by word' says India's Ex-envoy to China Gautam Bambawale
India's former Ambassador to China Gautam Bambawale expresses uncertainty over the positive disengagement by the Chinese troops at LAC. He says 'Based on the past incidents with China, it becomes very difficult to put faith in the intentions behind the disengagement'.

'We will judge Chinese by their actions not by word' says India's Ex-envoy to China Gautam Bambawale

India's former Ambassador to China Gautam Bambawale expresses uncertainty over the positive disengagement by the Chinese troops at LAC. He says 'Based on the past incidents with China, it becomes very difficult to put faith in the intentions behind the disengagement'.

www.wionews.com

 

[FalconSlayers]

Good to know pakis have full faith in these bat loving ladyboys.

PLAAF and PLAN has 0 experience literally, While Indian Airforce has dropped hundreds of fighter aircraft in both world wars and in 1965 and 1971 war, air combat experience in Kargil when Indian Airforce MiG-29s locked down 4 F-16s, and in 1999 a Pak Navy atlantique was shot down, many airstrikes in all wars ever fought by India, and many strikes during peacetime, the famous F-16 dropping on 27 February 2019 @aviationgeek l*ude ka baal knows it very well.

We have dropped a Submarine PNS Ghazi, we have dropped numerous Pak navy vessels in wars, we have dropped thousands of tangos in both world wars and all post Independence wars, have a huge counter insurgency experience probably among the highest in the whole world where we roasted thousands of pigs, while what have the chinks done?

PLA‘s last war was against a mighty superpower, the Han Chinese at the Tiananmen Square.

 

[sorcerer]

45 Chinese soldiers killed during clashes with Indian troops at Galwan Valley, reveals Russian news agency

45 Chinese soldiers killed during clashes with Indian troops at Galwan Valley, reveals Russian news agency

TASS made the claim on the day when Indian and Chinese troops started disengagement from the shared border near the Pangong Tso lake.

www.dnaindia.com

 

[LETHALFORCE]

PLAAF and PLAN has 0 experience literally, While Indian Airforce has dropped hundreds of fighter aircraft in both world wars and in 1965 and 1971 war, air combat experience in Kargil when Indian Airforce MiG-29s locked down 4 F-16s, and in 1999 a Pak Navy atlantique was shot down, many airstrikes in all wars ever fought by India, and many strikes during peacetime, the famous F-16 dropping on 27 February 2019 @aviationgeek l@ude ka baal knows it very well.

We have dropped a Submarine PNS Ghazi, we have dropped numerous Pak navy vessels in wars, we have dropped thousands of tangos in both world wars and all post Independence wars, have a huge counter insurgency experience probably among the highest in the whole world, while what have the chinks done?

PLA‘s last war was against a mighty superpower, the Han Chinese at the Tiananmen Square.

I still don't see how they could have justified this war if/when it started becoming prolonged to their public??
A lot of internal issues may arise in CCP after this fiasco??

 

[FalconSlayers]

I still don't see how they could have justified this war if/when it started becoming prolonged to their public??
A lot of internal issues may arise in CCP??

 

[sorcerer]

I still don't see how they could have justified this war if/when it started becoming prolonged to their public??
A lot of internal issues may arise in CCP after this fiasco??

Xi will hide behind his "mystery" tactic as a face saver. Xi has defanged CCP.

 

[rone]

PLAAF and PLAN has 0 experience literally, While Indian Airforce has dropped hundreds of fighter aircraft in both world wars and in 1965 and 1971 war, air combat experience in Kargil when Indian Airforce MiG-29s locked down 4 F-16s, and in 1999 a Pak Navy atlantique was shot down, many airstrikes in all wars ever fought by India, and many strikes during peacetime, the famous F-16 dropping on 27 February 2019 @aviationgeek l@ude ka baal knows it very well.

We have dropped a Submarine PNS Ghazi, we have dropped numerous Pak navy vessels in wars, we have dropped thousands of tangos in both world wars and all post Independence wars, have a huge counter insurgency experience probably among the highest in the whole world, while what have the chinks done?

PLA‘s last war was against a mighty superpower, the Han Chinese at the Tiananmen Square.

to be fare their air force not that antique, they are in consent training with PAF which still is a considerable foe, also they are much more technically advanced than all other branches of Chinese military establishment so to adapt to these advancement, so they have to either copy or mimicking some sort of training form western or Russian side which give them a decent credibility as a foe, rather their ground force and navel forces showing larger in masses and equipment dont have a coordinated doctrine or experiences in any active or past military conflicts

 

[mokoman]

Are you sure? The BMPs gun is a 30mm cannon, has a penetration of around 25mm at 60deg, which on not considering ERA (It won't even defeat their thin-skinned Type 15 light tanks)
ATGMs sure can be an advantage, but so can T-72/T-90/soldier with ATGM ducking in the bunker.

IMO I see more sense in fielding T-90s or T-72 Ajeya Mk-2s instead of BMP-2.

We were already fielding T-90s , so maybe there was rule that it had to be something else LOL.

Like @rone said , maneuverability + ATGM + better suited to high altitude.

i am guessing same reason they have both Type 15 light tank as well as Type 99A , one has maneuverability but lower survivability , other has lower maneuverability but has better survivability .

 

[FalconSlayers]

Xi will hide behind his "mystery" tactic as a face saver. Xi has defanged CCP.

Only way to defeat china is economically, their only upper hand is economy and if their economy tumbles, internal revolutions would be enough to destroy China, as their government has an agreement signed between them and their people and one of the MoUs are employment.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Look at the Body Language of Chinese Officers

Very RELIEVED

AEC is which unit??

 

[rone]

Are you sure? The BMPs gun is a 30mm cannon, has a penetration of around 25mm at 60deg, which on not considering ERA (It won't even defeat their thin-skinned Type 15 light tanks)
ATGMs sure can be an advantage, but so can T-72/T-90/soldier with ATGM ducking in the bunker.

IMO I see more sense in fielding T-90s or T-72 Ajeya Mk-2s instead of BMP-2.

about Chinese era vs Indian fire power, even they are reverse engineered version of ussr and Russian era they can have better protection levels , but if you look at the videos and images their tanks lacking side skirt protection ( done to reduce weight and have better maneuverability ) so if a better positioned BMP" can attack its track and capitalize from movement hence it became siting duck for ATGm none of their tanks deployed have active protection against Indian ATGM squads, by the way i was really impressed with IA war planing officers they done very impressive job in fielding assets and stargazing the defensive attack tactics

 

[mokoman]

about Chinese era vs Indian fire power, even they are reverse engineered version of ussr and Russian era they can have better protection levels , but if you look at the videos and images their tanks lacking side skirt protection ( done to reduce weight and have better maneuverability ) so if a better positioned BMP" can attack its track and capitalize from movement hence it became siting duck for ATGm none of their tanks deployed have active protection against Indian ATGM squads, by the way i was really impressed with IA war planing officers they done very impressive job in fielding assets and stargazing the defensive attack tactics

Doesnt Type 99A they deployed have active protection system ?

IMHO they look better equiped than us , atleast "look" wise.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Doesnt Type 99A they deployed have active protection system ?

IMHO they look better equiped than us , atleast "look" wise.

Most of their equipment is prone to maintenance as we all know what Russian equipments are to maintain and then a cheap chinese copy of Russian equipment becomes a logistical nightmare.

 

[rone]

Doesnt Type 99A they deployed have active protection system ?

IMHO they look better equiped than us , atleast "look" wise.

i think it wont because active protection means added weight plus type99a is 55 ton tank so they already struggling with their engine poor performance( smokey engines compared to Indian 30 year old t72 is living proof ) and first time they try to engage in tank battle in higher altitudes, so in order to maintain better maneuverability in terrain peaks they have to make some sacrifices so active protection and side skirt protection is a doable one also when you look at image is evident that older version type 99 used along with type 88a, about looks the looks wont win the wars look at Vietnam they ** f** aermikans by ak47 where amerikanz filed brand new m16 rifles, so if you ahve to win war you have to use time tested battile proven weapons not the one straight out of drawing board that is the also the reason they using type 88a light weight tanks also other reasons are their tankers have more experience in type 88 models than type 15 and others and they are mass produced in numbers have widely availability of spears so ease of logistics, that is the reason type88a was in front run rather than type 15 and other newer models ( more importantly they need a active tank company to stay alert 24x7 to any Indian movement considering all above facts which tank rather than type 88a better suited for Chinese ?)