India-China 2020 Border conflict

[ClawReed787]

Can someone ID the Chinese tanks?

Type 99s? Or 96

 

[mokoman]

Can someone ID the Chinese tanks?

Center one looks like Type 99a , could be wrong .

Saw sino members yapping about it being recently deployed to pangong tso area.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Looks like Type 99a , could be wrong .

Saw sino members yapping about it being recently deployed to pangong tso area.

So the extreme right ones seems to be Type 96 or 99, but some are older tanks, for example this

This seems to be type 69?

 

[mokoman]

So the extreme right ones seems to be Type 96 or 99, but some are older tanks, for example this

This seems to be type 69?

center one and couple others looks like Type 99a

Above is Type88a i think

According to chinese news , they deployed Type 88A , Type 99A and Type 15.

Old article . Comparing their deployed tanks against ours.

99A主战坦克部署边境，印度装甲部队再无优势

年关将近，人们都在准备的过年。最近，驻守在5000米高原上的喀喇昆仑边防的战士们也迎来了特别的礼物。 从阿里兵站开出的后勤保障卡车，还有99A式主战坦克。根据网络信息，物资车队到达的地方就在班公湖中印装甲集…

zhuanlan.zhihu.com

In the confrontation between the Chinese and Indian armored clusters, the first
line between China and India is 88A and T-72M1, and the second line is Type 15
light tank and T-90S main battle tank. The 88A is fully capable of fighting the
T-72M1. Although the 88A uses the 83A 105mm rifled gun, the caliber is not as
good as the 125mm T-72M1, but thanks to a more advanced fire control system and
better performance armor-piercing projectiles, the firepower The aspect is not
afraid of T-72M1.

88A is not weaker than T-72M1 in protection, power and fire control system.

Although the Type 15 light tank and T-90S tanks that are located in the 2 line
confrontation, the T-90S tank may be more powerful in our opinion, but what is
the fact? The T-90S tank weighs about 47 tons and is equipped with a 125 mm tank
gun. The Type 15 tank weighs about 36 tons. It is equipped with a new 105 mm
tank gun. Thanks to the heavier T-90S tank, its armor protection is naturally
better than the Type 15 In terms of firepower, the tank gun of the T-90S tank
may be more powerful, but the power of the tank gun depends not only on the size
of the muzzle, but also on the fire control system. The fire control sighting
system of the T-90S continues T-72, which is behind. The new fire control and
sighting system of the Type 99 main station tank directly used on the Type 15.
Although the Type 15 tank's firepower is not as good as that of the T-90S, it is
not impossible to fight. The wind is stronger in the plateau area than in the
plain area, which also means that the accuracy of the tank gun will be greatly
affected. The shooting accuracy of the Type 15 tank with a better fire control
system is better than that of the T-90S.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

 

[LETHALFORCE]

45 Chinese soldiers killed in Galwan clash June last year, Russian news agency TASS says

In an article, TASS said that 'Chinese and Indian forces clashed in the region in May and June 2020, resulting in at least 20 Indian and 45 Chinese servicemen dead'.

theprint.in

45 Chinese soldiers killed in Galwan clash June last year, Russian news agency TASS

 

[Moroboshi]

Can someone ID the Chinese tanks?

Are they cooking bat meat barbecue in those tanks?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Are they cooking bat meat barbecue in those tanks?

Chinese deception -claimed they were placing light tanks ; these are type 99 a chinese version of Abrams.

 

[Cactus09]

Chinese deception -claimed they were placing light tanks ; these are type 99 a chinese version of Abrams.

Do we have a thread for comparison of Chinese armor with our own?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Do we have a thread for comparison of Chinese armor with our own?

not specifically you can start one if you like.

 

[pankaj nema]

Look at the Body Language of Chinese Officers

Very RELIEVED

 

[DownWithCCP]

Look at the Body Language of Chinese Officers

Very RELIEVED

Proud of our soldiers unlike the chinks they look like they are in high spirits and confident whereas the chinks are eager to get out of there.The smile in their faces tell me that it is India that has prevailed.

 

[Cactus09]

not specifically you can start one if you like.

Done.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Maybe because the tenure of the chinese conscripts were over snd newer soldiers would require more training and experience to operate there hence they must’ve withdrawn their arses. Conscription is the worst part of their military.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Can anyone explain to me the wisdom of deploying BMP-2s in front of Chinese MBTs? BMP-2s armour is pathetically weak and they will be taken out in a single shot no matter type of ammunition.

 

[rone]

Can anyone explain to me the wisdom of deploying BMP-2s in front of Chinese MBTs? BMP-2s armour is pathetically weak and they will be taken out in a single shot no matter type of ammunition.

BMP2 for 2 reason for both anti tank and machined infantry, look at pictures its a down hill battle we have upper hand the initial volley of Chinese mbt can take cared by fixed atgm squad and bmp2 atgms and they are in such close proximity firing atgm and tank round both will assure mutual kill, also bmp2 more maneuverable than mbt in higher terrain look at theirs tanks chocking for air in higher terrains that caused non complete combustion and more smoke,

 

[FalconSlayers]

Can anyone explain to me the wisdom of deploying BMP-2s in front of Chinese MBTs? BMP-2s armour is pathetically weak and they will be taken out in a single shot no matter type of ammunition.

Lol you know what a BMP-2 can do but a Chinese junk can’t? That 40mm round can fvck the Chinese junk’s armour pretty badly, can carry multiple soldiers, can fire multiple ATGMs, can manoeuvre faster what else you want?

 

[rone]

that is type99 and older t88a both are older versions less weight, only tanks can do higher terrain warfare

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Chinese were using tanks from such a low ground??? Don't know what chinese were thinking or if they have
any idea of military doctrines??

 

[Hari Sud]

Chinese Retreat at LAC


A more definitive solution for current LAC situation will be for the Chinese to fire the now transferred and reassigned general who created this situation. Reassigning that fool of a general will be mediocre punishment. He has to be disgraced and sent to a punishment commune. He created the situation at LAC which resulted in 20 Indian soldiers deaths and more than 45 to 60 Chinese soldiers death. He brought the two nations to the verge of war for no particular reason. He was also the master of Doklam confrontation. Until India occupied the heights on Aug 29/30, the masters in the Peking were not fully aware. Now India threatened their supply line and put a huge area now under Chinese occupation into jeopardy. The changed situation mellowed the offending general and Indian tanks were ready to make mince meat of light and not fight worthy Chinese tanks. Now the Chinese master in Peking were angry and started their own internal deliberations. They were also at the receiving end of huge Indian economic retaliation.

After Aug 29th, It took Chinese political leaders two months to deliberate and they reached a conclusion. The Global Times propaganda has to be muzzled. The offending general has to be transferred out. The new general was ordered to de-escalate the situation. In this winter period where Chinese were loosing too many of their semi trained conscripts to high altitude sickness, better to de-escalate now than later. Hence the ninth Commander’s meet was specifically held at Chinese initiative to force a withdrawal. The said withdrawal had to be mutual, read in between the lines, save Chinese prestige and begin withdrawal immediately. ....... It is now happening.

The net conclusion, Chinese invincibility prestige has been shattered. Moreover, much of the Chinese army fighting capability was exposed. It is nothing more than a paper tiger. It has great number and great budget but very poor quality hardware, all copied and reverse engineered of either Russian or American stuff, and not battle worthy. Many Indian, Chinese paid defence analyst are at a loss to explain Chinese defeat and loss of prestige.

From Indian point of view, India learnt never to trust the Chinese at political or military level. Modi, Rajnath Singh, Gen. Rawat and his juniors are to be heavily complemented for their resolve and perseverance. Chinese thought that Indians will retreat afraid of winter. Instead the winter bothered Chinese a lot more than the Indians. Also Indian military hardware withstood the winter better than the Chinese. This is Chinese first defeat after 1962. It is their second after they miserably lost the battle in 1979 against Vietnam border war.

Bless you Indian soldiers and complement the foolish Chinese general to give you this victory.