India-China 2020 Border conflict

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What is the counter against this tho? Are we helpless after signing agreement with USA?
various ways,

infiltration of their religious groups, by saam dham dandh bedh techniques to promote an India friendly outlook in the people there

stoking intra-tribe tensions( nagas like all other tribes there, are a confederation of similar tribes, created by Missionaries. )

Settlement of desis in Nagaland and other erring states.

Exemplary punishment to rebellious secessionist groups, both of the paramilitary type and enforced disappearances variety.

Key point is that all of the above have to be applied in tandem though
 

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Religion is the most potent method for interfering in any countries matter. 50% of Nagaland pop is Baptist inspired from the American variety. US maintains NGOs and religious organisation that fund and project.
NGOs can be dealt with but once u have made an impact using religious sentiment it is hard to counter.

The demand of Autonomy has one key to it and that is the claim that the state religion does not match the mainland and we are better off without them.
Now why would any Hindu want to separate from the only thing close to a Hindu country? It will always be a different religion for Islam its the various other Islamic countries that do Randi Rona and for Christianity it will be the entirety of the west that is hell bent on bringing Apocalypse 2.0 to gain salvation from this cursed earth.

There is only two things that can be done in Indias interest now in regards to NE.
1) This is kind Of impossible but regardless the best options. Convert them to Dharmic religion.
2) Instil nationalism in the Christian population which can't co exist with a Hindu majority, there will be tussle always.
Majority of the Christian population of Nagaland is nationalist and pro India.
You are dealing with Tribals here who may appear very fashionable, speak grammatically correct english but they are still naive and simpleton like, easy to manipulate when the cause is emotive to them.

They have converted to Christianity but their tribal instincts and roots remain intact. Don't blame them for converting, blame the insidious pastor who managed to brainwash these simpletons and turn them against India. The message is always political with Abrahamic religions. Rise above India, what has India done for you? Come, join us. Same with the Islamic Ummah.

So when an elder says 'cause of Nagaland > India', we will blockade Manipur, do this, Nagalim only for Christ, it finds takers among the masses if not all. Once people serve in the forces and meet other people from different parts of India, their world view changes.

Modi has done a remarkable job by bringing NE people OUT of NE, giving jobs to them in New Delhi, focusing greatly on NE cause he knows even the Christian in Nagaland is more dependable than the Milennial playing PubG in some metro when true shit hits the fan and one needs to put neck on the line in service of the nation.
 
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Majority of the Christian population of Nagaland is nationalist and pro India.
You are dealing with Tribals here who may appear very fashionable, speak grammatically correct english but they are still naive and simpleton like, easy to manipulate when the cause is emotive to them.

They have converted to Christianity but their tribal instincts and roots remain intact. Don't blame them for converting, blame the insidious pastor who managed to brainwash these simpletons and turn them against India. The message is always political with Abrahamic religions. Rise above India, what has India done for you? Come, join us. Same with the Islamic Ummah.

So when an elder says 'cause of Nagaland > India', we will blockade Manipur, do this, Nagalim only for Christ, it finds takers among the masses if not all. Once people serve in the forces and meet other people from different parts of India, their world view changes.

Modi has done a remarkable job by bringing NE people OUT of NE, giving jobs to them in New Delhi, focusing greatly on NE cause he knows even the Christian in Nagaland is more dependable than the Milennial in playing PubG in some metro when true shit hits the fan and one needs to put neck on the line in service of the nation.
They aren't, they don't even consider themselves Indian lmao, and worship the West( like all young f*gs world wide ) and find Japanese and Korean culture more admirable because influx of korean dub tv shows and movies and all.
The root cause of this is tribalism.
You are dealing with people who still have the mental level of a grass skirt wearing savage who's top tier architectural achievement is mud huts and culture is dancing around a fire.

In a controlled environment when the "nice white man" offered these unwashed savages Monotheism( and a whole lot of material needs and creature comforts, very important ) vs a life of worshiping muh nature spirits, muh animal spirits, muh ancestors and total cave man life of primitive suffering, they jumped at the opportunity.

The next decades from 30's till 2000s were spend being cooked in the juices of INDIAN BAD! INDIAN BROWN! INDIAN RAPIST! INDIAN WORSHIP OTHER GOD! INDIAN COMING TO STEAL LAND AND RAPE WOMAN! by your friendly neighborhood (((Pastor))), his piety not coming from God but from masters in UK and US plying him with material benefits.
Which is how you get NSCN.

Truly I tell you, the only solution for these fools if they sign the death warrant of their race by continuing secessionist activities and rebellions is butchery of their tribes by our paramilitaries and settlement of our Desi folks on their land.
Desi settlement and assimilation as worked wonderfully for Nepalis, Assamese, Bongs of North Bengal and Tripura( Bongs also managed to convert most Meitei Manipuris to Hinduism somehow ).
All are basically Desi tribes with genetic component of some mongolic looking tribe that existed in those regions, but they are linguistically and culturally desi.

I don't know how many of you have heard of this Christian Naga girl named Temsutula Imsong.


She has done more than most Hindus with 'Proud Hindu' in their bio.
God bless those who shill for India though, good she is in Delhi and not in Kohima or wherever, her family would disown her for being pro-India, or she would have got shot.
 

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They aren't, they don't even consider themselves Indian lmao, and worship the West( like all young f*gs world wide ) and find Japanese and Korean culture more admirable because influx of korean dub tv shows and movies and all.
The root cause of this is tribalism.
You are dealing with people who still have the mental level of a grass skirt wearing savage who's top tier architectural achievement is mud huts and culture is dancing around a fire.

In a controlled environment when the "nice white man" offered these unwashed savages Monotheism( and a whole lot of material needs and creature comforts, very important ) vs a life of worshiping muh nature spirits, muh animal spirits, muh ancestors and total cave man life of primitive suffering, they jumped at the opportunity.

The next decades from 30's till 2000s were spend being cooked in the juices of INDIAN BAD! INDIAN BROWN! INDIAN RAPIST! INDIAN WORSHIP OTHER GOD! INDIAN COMING TO STEAL LAND AND RAPE WOMAN! by your friendly neighborhood (((Pastor))), his piety not coming from God but from masters in UK and US plying him with material benefits.
Which is how you get NSCN.

Truly I tell you, the only solution for these fools if they sign the death warrant of their race by continuing secessionist activities and rebellions is butchery of their tribes by our paramilitaries and settlement of our Desi folks on their land.
Desi settlement and assimilation as worked wonderfully for Nepalis, Assamese, Bongs of North Bengal and Tripura( Bongs also managed to convert most Meitei Manipuris to Hinduism somehow ).
All are basically Desi tribes with genetic component of some mongolic looking tribe that existed in those regions, but they are linguistically and culturally desi.



God bless those who shill for India though, good she is in Delhi and not in Kohima or wherever, her family would disown her for being pro-India, or she would have got shot.
Tribals are clanish and not very different from muh caste(upper/lower) - muh identity. Makes little difference.

That is what I said - while preaching, the pastors also pushed their insidious agenda. All kosher in the name of the Trinity.
 

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They aren't, they don't even consider themselves Indian lmao, and worship the West( like all young f*gs world wide ) and find Japanese and Korean culture more admirable because influx of korean dub tv shows and movies and all.
The root cause of this is tribalism.
You are dealing with people who still have the mental level of a grass skirt wearing savage who's top tier architectural achievement is mud huts and culture is dancing around a fire.

In a controlled environment when the "nice white man" offered these unwashed savages Monotheism( and a whole lot of material needs and creature comforts, very important ) vs a life of worshiping muh nature spirits, muh animal spirits, muh ancestors and total cave man life of primitive suffering, they jumped at the opportunity.

The next decades from 30's till 2000s were spend being cooked in the juices of INDIAN BAD! INDIAN BROWN! INDIAN RAPIST! INDIAN WORSHIP OTHER GOD! INDIAN COMING TO STEAL LAND AND RAPE WOMAN! by your friendly neighborhood (((Pastor))), his piety not coming from God but from masters in UK and US plying him with material benefits.
Which is how you get NSCN.

Truly I tell you, the only solution for these fools if they sign the death warrant of their race by continuing secessionist activities and rebellions is butchery of their tribes by our paramilitaries and settlement of our Desi folks on their land.
Desi settlement and assimilation as worked wonderfully for Nepalis, Assamese, Bongs of North Bengal and Tripura( Bongs also managed to convert most Meitei Manipuris to Hinduism somehow ).
All are basically Desi tribes with genetic component of some mongolic looking tribe that existed in those regions, but they are linguistically and culturally desi.



God bless those who shill for India though, good she is in Delhi and not in Kohima or wherever, her family would disown her for being pro-India, or she would have got shot.
They aren't, they don't even consider themselves Indian lmao, and worship the West( like all young f*gs world wide ) and find Japanese and Korean culture more admirable because influx of korean dub tv shows and movies and all.

God bless those who shill for India though, good she is in Delhi and not in Kohima or wherever, her family would disown her for being pro-India, or she would have got shot.


Is this all true or are you just making shit up ??

Amazing how you seem to know everything.


I was under impression that there is an insurgency as there is zero infrastructure there.

Read in an article that even famous Chushul village near Chushul airfield , the one Bhumihar gave to PLA only had 1 telephone for entire village till 2015 , and they had to share it the ITBP camp.

Same situation in NE i believe.
 

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India and China locked in stalemate over troop disengagement in eastern Ladakh
Rajat Pandit | TNN | Nov 26, 2020, 23:30 IST

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NEW DELHI: India and China are yet to agree on the modalities for the proposed troop disengagement in eastern Ladakh, making it virtually certain their soldiers will remain deployed on the forbidding heights through the long and harsh winter ahead.
The seven-month-long military confrontation in eastern Ladakh “is frozen in time” now, with “no meaningful progress” being made after the eighth round of corps commander-level talks on November 6.
“Talks have virtually stalled over the exact modalities and sequencing of steps for a mutually-acceptable pullback. China is yet to get back on the date for the ninth round of military dialogue,” said a source on Thursday.
China is adamant about the proposed disengagement beginning from the south bank of Pangong Tso-Chushul area, where Indian troops are in tactically-advantageous positions on the ridge line stretching from Thakung to Gurung Hill, Spanggur Gap, Magar Hill, Mukhpari, Rezang La and Reqin La (Rechin mountain pass) since August 29-30.
India, in turn, wants the disengagement to kick off from the north bank of Pangong Tso, where the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) has occupied the 8-km stretch from 'Finger 4 to 8’ (mountainous spurs) since early-May.
This remains the primary bone of contention, with “some differences” on the distance of pullback in the 'Finger’ area also yet to be resolved. Then there is also the question of the strategically-located Depsang Plains, where the PLA has been actively blocking Indian patrols for the last seven months.

During the eighth round, India and China had broadly agreed to pull-back troops, tanks, howitzers and armoured vehicles from the 'friction points’ in the Pangong Tso-Chushul area, which had raised hopes of an early breakthrough.
But the disagreement on the modalities for it, along with a joint verification mechanism, has queered the pitch. Even as 50,000 troops each from the two sides remain dug in for the long haul, there is a growing assessment in the Indian security establishment that the current rival deployments will become the de facto position for the foreseeable future if there is no intervention at the highest politico-diplomatic level.

Senior officers contend there is “no need for India to rush headlong into any disengagement”. Utmost care should be taken to ensure Indian troops are not left in a tactically-disadvantageous position.
“It will certainly be a tough winter for our soldiers sitting at heights of over 15,000-feet, with temperatures already below minus 20 degree Celsius, coupled with the extreme wind chill factor and oxygen deprivation there,” said an officer.
But the PLA too is facing such adverse conditions, and for the first time, unlike Indian soldiers who are accustomed to being deployed at such heights. “The Indian Army has undertaken a massive logistical exercise to support soldiers with the requisite infrastructure and supplies this winter. If the LAC becomes like the LoC with Pakistan, with permanent deployments, so be it…Things will be easier from the next winter onwards,” he added.
Even if the two sides eventually agree to a disengagement plan, it will be slow going, with a phased pull-back becoming all the more difficult in peak winter. There is, after all, a huge trust deficit after the PLA reneged on an earlier disengagement plan in the Galwan Valley on June 15, which led to the extended skirmish in which 20 Indian and an unspecified number of Chinese soldiers were killed.
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If you've been following recent developments in NE, infrastructure development is coming up at breakneck speed. And slowly prosperity as well. A lot of NE folks work and study all over India. True the baptist church has spread the us vs them mentality which has aided separation, but I feel we are at a turning point here.

1> GoI seems to be working seriously to do away with foreign funded NGOs which are into all sorts of activism.
2> Missionaries frequently get their visas denied.
3> Involvement of NE folks in army, and their recognition as sporting athletes has given them new found respect. We mainlanders have failed to offer them respect and have been racist towards them. This needs to change.
4> There is a lot of material on YouTube that keeps talking about outrageous claims and fallacies in the Bible. The tech savvy young generation, which is bombarded by this material on a daily basis, will not stick to the faith for long. Perhaps 2 more generations.

I have hope for NE, and for good reason. NE needs a lot of love and attention. It will turn the corner. They don't hate us as much as we think they do. The average NE person does not have hate flowing in his veins unlike Kashmir.
 

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God bless those who shill for India though, good she is in Delhi and not in Kohima or wherever, her family would disown her for being pro-India, or she would have got shot.


Is this all true or are you just making shit up ??

Amazing how you seem to know everything
Lol I think he's exaggerating about that.
They aren't, they don't even consider themselves Indian lmao, and worship the West( like all young f*gs world wide ) a
Obviously the main cause of insurgency is union with India. Don't know about worshipping the West lol but they are Christians yes
and find Japanese and Korean culture more admirable because influx of korean dub tv shows and movies and all.
There's absolutely no problem with that.

Desi settlement and assimilation as worked wonderfully for Nepalis, Assamese, Bongs of North Bengal and Tripura( Bongs also managed to convert most Meitei Manipuris to Hinduism somehow ).
This is somewhat true for the Manipuris.
The Bengolis managed to persuade or say convert them. (not entirely)
The main problem there is we don't respect each other and hatred against each other exists. This hate won't help.
 

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We mainlanders have failed to offer them respect and have been racist towards them. This needs to change.
That's the problem man where do people get these racist ideas. Lol there was a video of them being blamed for spreading of Corona. Where do people even get these ideas?

There is a lot of material on YouTube that keeps talking about outrageous claims and fallacies in the Bible. The tech savvy young generation, which is bombarded by this material on a daily basis, will not stick to the faith for long. Perhaps 2 more generations.
That's gonna be almost impossible
They don't hate us as much as we think they do. The average NE person does not have hate flowing in his veins unlike Kashmir.
This seems to be true.
 

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If a criminal invades your house and takes it over room by room, and you don't fight back because you are scared of the costs of fighting, then you will eventually lose the entire house. Unless you show the criminal that invading has consequences, there is no reason for him to stop taking over your house.

Many of the think tanks are populated by bureaucrats brainwashed by Chinese military propaganda, and thus too much in awe of China/PLA. The reality is much different. Their technology is primitive compared to western technology, their army are a bunch of brainwashed conscript 5 foot tall jokers with limited training who would get butchered in any war beyond using sticks and spears, and their Chinese manufactured equipment is of shoddy quality.

India is in its current situation because of decades of inaction on the China border: Which in turn is because of the 10 foot Chinamen syndrome that pervades Indian bureaucratic circles who think themselves to be intellectuals, when they are just educated fools who like the sounds of their own voice. Chinese military is crap compared to the Indian military; but because of the restrictions placed on the Indian military for decades by the bureaucrats China has been able to build large amounts of infrastructure on their side of the LAC (while the Indian bureaucrats have kept stopping Indian military from building infrastructure in order to not upset the Chinese).

Even after China occupied territory on Indian side of LAC, Indian army is not allowed to initiate military action against PLA, because "a war with China must not be taken lightly." War is already being forced upon India by China as it occupies more and more territory in India and Bhutan. India can respond by fighting to make Chinese occupation of Indian territory more costly, or it can keep burying its head in the sand as Chinese thieves use every opportunity to steal more and more unoccupied land in India and Bhutan. Either way the war will go on. Burying your head in the sand now means losing more and more territory in the border areas of India and Bhutan, until there is nothing left to fight for.

Chinese government propaganda is good at convincing others (bureaucrats in Indian government) of how great the PLA is, when in reality the PLA is one of the most poorly-trained, poorly-equipped militaries in the world; Indian soldiers had to rescue them in Sudan/Africa after they ran away as US peace-keepers (and these were supposed to be their best). India is at least 1 to 2 generations ahead of them in terms of military technology; none of the PLA equipment works as advertised. CCP/PLA's greatest strength is that they are great at bluffing about their abilities.

Indian military would wipe the Himalayan floor with the PLA, but the bureaucrats have tied their hands with the agreements made with the PLA; agreements which the PLA break whenever it suits them. If it wasn't for the "sophisticated think-tanks" and Delhi bureaucrats not tying Indian military's hands with these agreements over the last several decades, India would not be in the predicament that it finds itself in: With the politicians/bureaucrats in full denial mode while China continues its activities unabated on the Indian/Bhutanese border.

Pretending that there is no war (because "war with China should not be taken lightly") does not make the war go away. It simply means that the Chinese keep making territorial gains in the war because the Delhi bureaucrats (brainwashed by CCP/PLA propaganda about 10 foot Chinamen with their unbeatable shiny military toys) are too afraid to allow the Indian military to do its job.

War is being forced upon India, whether it likes it or not.
Nobody is pretending. The reality of the situation is clear.

However, if you think India should rush to war, I beg to differ.
 

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2 SeaGuardian Drones Arrive On Year-Long Lease With Indian Navy
Nov 25 2020

To boost the Indian military’s surveillance sweep amidst a live military confrontation with China in Ladakh.

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Two U.S. General Atomics MQ-9B SeaGuardian intelligence-surveillance-reconnaissance drones arrived at the Arakkonam naval air station in India’s Tamil Nadu state earlier this month to boost the Indian military’s surveillance sweep amidst a live military confrontation with China in Ladakh and the need for elevated surveillance over the Indian Ocean.

Two SeaGuardians have been flying sorties over the Bay of Bengal. Leased directly from General Atomics under emergency procurement rules necessitated by the Ladakh situation, the pair of drones are only a fraction of the 22-30 such drones, including armed versions, that the Indian military has been looking to procure since the Obama Administration.

The SeaGuardian drones under lease by the Indian Navy aren’t weaponized, though the type is capable of being configured for anti-surface warfare, anti-submarine warfare, and airborne anti-mine capability.

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This is a cost-effective method of procurement instead of buying outright these horrendously expensive drones. Provides flexibility too.
 

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Nobody is pretending. The reality of the situation is clear.

However, if you think India should rush to war, I beg to differ.
China invaded Bhutanese territory at Doklam and eventually built military infrastructure there, and nobody went to war. So I doubt Chinese building another village on Bhutanese territory near Doklam will wake India up. Of course this village will first become part of dual use infrastructure before becoming a full PLA military base, but Indian government bureaucrats have become experts at ignoring threats by now.
 

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