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India leases hi-tech US naval drones to boost surveillance, intel

The two leased MQ-9B SeaGuardian UAVs arrived in India in early November and began undertaking missions last week, say officials.

 

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India leases hi-tech US naval drones to boost surveillance, intel

The two leased MQ-9B SeaGuardian UAVs arrived in India in early November and began undertaking missions last week, say officials.

Was about to post.. Did any of the guys here hear about this move earlier. .i was genuinely surprised... Happy about the move.. Will create familiarization amongst the forces, so that we can get the most from them, when we buy them..
Just like the poseidon, India could use them along the chinese border for surveillance..
 

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Was about to post.. Did any of the guys here hear about this move earlier. .i was genuinely surprised... Happy about the move.. Will create familiarization amongst the forces, so that we can get the most from them, when we buy them..
Just like the poseidon, India could use them along the chinese border for surveillance..
Well..happy to know even such high profile procurement are done under complete hush hush.
its good!
 

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We already have 100s kamikaze drone.Have we received Heron TP UCAV? May be secretly inducted but not fitted for ladakh that's why we bought reaper with HALE capacity UCAV !¡ Any expert view?
 
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Was about to post.. Did any of the guys here hear about this move earlier. .i was genuinely surprised... Happy about the move.. Will create familiarization amongst the forces, so that we can get the most from them, when we buy them..
Just like the poseidon, India could use them along the chinese border for surveillance..
it may be lease to purchase??
 

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We already have 100s kamikaze drone.Have we received Heron TP UCAV? May be secretly inducted but not fitted for ladakh that's why we bought reaper with HALE capacity UCAV !¡ Any expert view?
Its a unarmed ISR drone...stop gap at d moment..18(6 each) are on d list as per reports
 
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We already have 100s kamikaze drone.Have we received Heron TP UCAV? May be secretly inducted but not fitted for ladakh that's why we bought reaper with HALE capacity UCAV !¡ Any expert view?
two completely different functions.
 

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The app is very much needed.
Eh ? Why ? There a number of other apps which do UPI - BHIM, Google pay, Phone Pe. Use them. Besides paytm is a shitty app bloated with adware.

Use NPCI BHIM (or your Bank-provided UPI app). Try to use a public sector bank for a savings account that you can spend from. Move money from your salary account to your spending account as needed. Link your car's FasTag to this spending account
Absolutely, your UPI account should not have more than 20k at any point of time and should be used only like a transaction account.
 

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China has learned to take advantage of India's unwillingness to start a war. So it keeps occupying areas not previously occupied by Indian/Bhutanese military, giving China an advantage for when it chooses to start a war. India has to be more pro-active in countering Chinese occupation in Indian/Bhutanese territories with its own occupation of the heights/strategically advantageous locations in these areas.
A war with China must not be taken lightly.

The think tanks, intelligence agencies etc. must constantly work on reducing risk in the relationship with China.

War may still happen but there is no point in fanning the fires.
 

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Looks like Chinese are trying to smuggle their way into Viet Nam looking for work. Now CCP's desperation makes sense. They just want to show off to their people suffering from the collapsing economy and intense floods that they are all powerful and look we have conquered India and they are our slaves.

Vietnam is another 'front' for the CCP like Taiwan.

The factories are Vietnamese owned on paper. The money is obviously Chinese. The 'manufacturing' you hear is mostly assembling of parts which get shipped from China.

As Vietnam does not have enough skilled labor, the Chinese make a beeline into Vietnam as daily wagers.

The Chinese bosses nudge their Vietnamese supervisors to look the other way as no 'benefits' are paid to Chinese border jumpers and it is a win-win for most in the short term at least.

The manufacturing labor situation in China is very acute. No jobs, not enough jobs, if there are, the pay is paltry. Add provincial politics and it is slowly brewing into a serious issue where one province is preventing migrant workers from another province to take up jobs. Give or take five years, I will bet my mousepad, we will see lead flying at the Vietnam and China border crossings. The Vietnamese junta is not the kind to let Han run roughshod. I have my popcorn ready... just waiting for RCEP to unwind itself :playball:

I hope we don't jump into the RCEP bandwagon ever. Modi Govt. took some very hard decisions to protect our steel industry from China, Taiwan and Japanese steel manufacturers who were bankrolling and subsidizing their industry. It helped these companies crawl out of infinite debt and their position is better than during the UPA period without even factoring the damage caused to the banking sector.
 

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I told you so that the Biden - Harris combo will be bad news for India.....

We jumping into domestic USA politics is very risky.

Better we observe the situation in the USA and finetune our policies according to the situation.

It is unlikely that the Americans will give a free pass to China under Biden. Biden is also answerable to the American public who will be watching his performance keenly.
 

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A war with China must not be taken lightly.

The think tanks, intelligence agencies etc. must constantly work on reducing risk in the relationship with China.

War may still happen but there is no point in fanning the fires.
If a criminal invades your house and takes it over room by room, and you don't fight back because you are scared of the costs of fighting, then you will eventually lose the entire house. Unless you show the criminal that invading has consequences, there is no reason for him to stop taking over your house.

Many of the think tanks are populated by bureaucrats brainwashed by Chinese military propaganda, and thus too much in awe of China/PLA. The reality is much different. Their technology is primitive compared to western technology, their army are a bunch of brainwashed conscript 5 foot tall jokers with limited training who would get butchered in any war beyond using sticks and spears, and their Chinese manufactured equipment is of shoddy quality.

India is in its current situation because of decades of inaction on the China border: Which in turn is because of the 10 foot Chinamen syndrome that pervades Indian bureaucratic circles who think themselves to be intellectuals, when they are just educated fools who like the sounds of their own voice. Chinese military is crap compared to the Indian military; but because of the restrictions placed on the Indian military for decades by the bureaucrats China has been able to build large amounts of infrastructure on their side of the LAC (while the Indian bureaucrats have kept stopping Indian military from building infrastructure in order to not upset the Chinese).

Even after China occupied territory on Indian side of LAC, Indian army is not allowed to initiate military action against PLA, because "a war with China must not be taken lightly." War is already being forced upon India by China as it occupies more and more territory in India and Bhutan. India can respond by fighting to make Chinese occupation of Indian territory more costly, or it can keep burying its head in the sand as Chinese thieves use every opportunity to steal more and more unoccupied land in India and Bhutan. Either way the war will go on. Burying your head in the sand now means losing more and more territory in the border areas of India and Bhutan, until there is nothing left to fight for.

Chinese government propaganda is good at convincing others (bureaucrats in Indian government) of how great the PLA is, when in reality the PLA is one of the most poorly-trained, poorly-equipped militaries in the world; Indian soldiers had to rescue them in Sudan/Africa after they ran away as US peace-keepers (and these were supposed to be their best). India is at least 1 to 2 generations ahead of them in terms of military technology; none of the PLA equipment works as advertised. CCP/PLA's greatest strength is that they are great at bluffing about their abilities.

Indian military would wipe the Himalayan floor with the PLA, but the bureaucrats have tied their hands with the agreements made with the PLA; agreements which the PLA break whenever it suits them. If it wasn't for the "sophisticated think-tanks" and Delhi bureaucrats not tying Indian military's hands with these agreements over the last several decades, India would not be in the predicament that it finds itself in: With the politicians/bureaucrats in full denial mode while China continues its activities unabated on the Indian/Bhutanese border.

Pretending that there is no war (because "war with China should not be taken lightly") does not make the war go away. It simply means that the Chinese keep making territorial gains in the war because the Delhi bureaucrats (brainwashed by CCP/PLA propaganda about 10 foot Chinamen with their unbeatable shiny military toys) are too afraid to allow the Indian military to do its job.

War is being forced upon India, whether it likes it or not.
 

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He's getting raped by his own govt, whats there for us to do?
China does not let any single person become too big anyway. They have kind of economical purges after every 5-6 years. The existing billionaires either pass on board or chairman seat to a new face or else they are wrongly accused in cases of corruption and are taken down. The list of chinese billionaires sees most changes compared to other countries.
 

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