India-China 2020 Border conflict

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Interesting article by Gen. Shankar.


Here are some key points I picked up

1. Though there are early battle indicators, the real indicator will be when ammunition gets dumped

2. Their mechanisation is not a good strategy for mountain warfare.

3. Tibet and Xinjiang are huge land areas (millions of sq. kms) and will offer ample opportunities for land grab

4. Pakistan has the best army that never fights, the Chinese might give them competition

5. Chushul is the most important gateway (as pointed out by Rohit Vats recently) and India is fortifying that

6. This is the first high altitude winter that Chinese army is in and they will have lots of environmental casualties. Never a good idea to fight a high altitude war without high altitude experience

7. Indian occupation of Kailash range has opened up lots of options

8. Indian mothers will send their sons to war as a matter of honor. One child family Chinese mothers ??

9. This is a defining battle for India. Politicians and babus need to hold their nerve, our soldiers ofcourse will. Let China shed blood to earn the "superpower" status
Excellent write up, he is on point when he says, a bloody skirmish with India will put Tibet and Xinjiang back on PLA's cards and they will have to divert their resources to contain any insurgency that may arise when the IA destroys their image.
 

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The below article suggests that the Nepalese friendship road (G318 that links G219) may offer the best opportunity to disrupt G219 (which India will perhaps have to do in a conflict). Since Gen. Shankar mentioned Rutog in his article, wonder if there is a way for India to go down Chushul-Demchok and disrupt G219 between Ngari and Rutog, someone knowledgeable please comment

This Sputnik article also calls out the possibility of severing Tibet from Xinjiang by targeting G219

 

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New Japanese PM Yoshiro Suga isn't really in favor of an "Asian NATO" (a military block under US leadership), but he's an impatient nationalist not unlike Xi or Modi. And that's good enough for India. Abe wanted to work with the US to unshackle Japan from its military restrictions in light of the Chinese threat, and Suga wants to take that agenda forward. If there's anyone who can restore JSDF back to a regular military capable of proactive offensive operations, it's Suga.
Japan is the natural ally of India. They never attacked india during WW2. Infact they proposed to Gandhi of aligning together to kick British out of the subcontinent. That would have been ideal, no Pakistan, no Bangladesh, no Lanka. Greater India would have been a reality today..... Dream is still on
 

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https://twitter.com/drapr007
Via DrApr aka babaji
#BREAKING : In the latest developments along LAC, PLA tried to stop the patrolling of Indian Armed forces at 10 patrolling points in Depsong, Galwan and Gogra . Report of fresh deployment by both armies in Galwan.
of late Baba is posting less crazy news and has an improved accuracy.
 

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There is a Sanskrit sloka below
Please post after reading and understanding.

The Sanskrit shloka says:

"धर्म एव हतो हन्ति धर्मो रक्षति रक्षितः
तस्- माद्धर्मो न हन्तव्यः मानो धर्मो हतोवधीत्"

"Dharma destroys those who destroy it, Dharma protects those who protect it.
Dharma does not destroy and cannot be destroyed."

It is nowhere related to the quote in the pic.
 

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People all over the world justify their violence by this, from Muricans to Talibans, declaring self the righteous one & then going about it... It's a classic!
True, and we ourselves are oblivious to our scriptures' original meaning & understanding. There is a handle in Twitter @TIinExile which busts all these fake historical claims day in and day out.

Coming to topic: Huawei has started it's own PR campaign in India ....time for GOI to decide on 5G asap.

 

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Interesting article by Gen. Shankar.


Here are some key points I picked up

1. Though there are early battle indicators, the real indicator will be when ammunition gets dumped

2. Their mechanisation is not a good strategy for mountain warfare.

3. Tibet and Xinjiang are huge land areas (millions of sq. kms) and will offer ample opportunities for land grab

4. Pakistan has the best army that never fights, the Chinese might give them competition

5. Chushul is the most important gateway (as pointed out by Rohit Vats recently) and India is fortifying that

6. This is the first high altitude winter that Chinese army is in and they will have lots of environmental casualties. Never a good idea to fight a high altitude war without high altitude experience

7. Indian occupation of Kailash range has opened up lots of options

8. Indian mothers will send their sons to war as a matter of honor. One child family Chinese mothers ??

9. This is a defining battle for India. Politicians and babus need to hold their nerve, our soldiers ofcourse will. Let China shed blood to earn the "superpower" status
India needs to do whatever needs to Be done in the next few months. The Chinese don’t have winter experience now but you don’t want to give them a year or two to gain that experience. We have experience of winter and we should put it to good use.
 

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Please post after reading and understanding.

The Sanskrit shloka says:

"धर्म एव हतो हन्ति धर्मो रक्षति रक्षितः
तस्- माद्धर्मो न हन्तव्यः मानो धर्मो हतोवधीत्"

"Dharma destroys those who destroy it, Dharma protects those who protect it.
Dharma does not destroy and cannot be destroyed."

It is nowhere related to the quote in the pic.
Your translation is incorrect. The second part says 'Do not kill dharm else there is nobody to protect'. The meaning is if King forgets 'dharm' then there is nobody to protect the king and to kill the dacoits.

First part: Dharm is what protects the king and kills the murderers.
 

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India needs to do whatever needs to Be done in the next few months. The Chinese don’t have winter experience now but you don’t want to give them a year or two to gain that experience. We have experience of winter and we should put it to good use.
There have been multiple hints that there are upcoming gifts and surprises in the winter for the PLA, firstly it was a Saurav Jha tweet that said that the PLA soldiers won't be given the benefit of heated bunkers, then it was @Hellfire who said that it was a popular myth to assume ops can't take place in winter, then there is this article, a lot of what the article said corroborates with the current standing and statements by the MEA which is clearly being done to push it to the winter so that the IA can gain even better advantages.
 

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Interesting. Indian Army is playing Tibet national anthem at Pangong Tso via loudspeakers, including the Dalai Lama's and Chiang Kai-Shek speeches. Also public speeches from HK and Taiwan academia about how HK and Taiwan achieved prosperity and personal liberty without CCP, and that CCP isn't special.
Wo mara...... Chinese hard nuts will crack...
 

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Looks like students from China study group are serious about their studies.. Below quote from the TOI article:

“There has been some delay in the corps commander-level talk because China was not reverting with an exact date. But it will take place now. India will continue to press for disengagement from the friction points as the starting point, followed by de-escalation and de-induction of troops,” a senior official said ..

So, i think because India is insisting on disengagement first, the chinese are corneres and are not reverting back on dates for chai biscoot...
 

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Your translation is incorrect. The second part says 'Do not kill dharm else there is nobody to protect'. The meaning is if King forgets 'dharm' then there is nobody to protect the king and to kill the dacoits.

First part: Dharm is what protects the king and kills the murderers.
These shlokas were written for different times and are not that much applicable now. 21st century warfare is fought on economic, diplomatic , and military fronts - all fought simultaneously. Today’s jockeying is very very complex, nothing our Vedic ancestors could have even contemplated.
 

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Making more enemies
*****
https://www.news.com.au/technology/...l/news-story/e0c2221d4dc363dde9ee1789c203425f

A Foreign Ministry spokesman said the 2700 tonne Zhaojun-Class coast guard vessel was conducting “normal patrol duties in waters under Chinese jurisdiction”.
“China’s rights and interests in the relevant waters in the South China Sea are clear,” he said.
But Natuna Island is some 1700km south of China’s southernmost province, Hainan Island. And the entirety of the disputed South China Sea – along with Malaysia, the Philippines and Vietnam – lay between the two.
Indonesia’s government says China’s territorial claims are unilateral and without legal basis. A Permanent Court of Arbitration in 2016 found that, under the UN Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), China’s “nine-dash line” claim was invalid and without historical foundation.
 

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At this point, a war between China and India is very highly likely. The timing is the only IF.
Unlikely. Without naval action, there shall be no war.
Furthermore, the precursor to war is a breakdown in diplomatic relationships, the closing of embassies, the return of ambassadors. None of this is happening, none of the above seem likely to happen.
War between two nations is a formal process, there are rules and conventions which have to be followed before two nations can declare themselves to be in a state of war.
As of today, only skirmish is possible.

War will only be possible when at the very least we have naval blockade or an Ultimatum.

From Wikipedia

International law
The Hague Convention relative to the Opening of Hostilities of 18 October 1907, provides as follows:


"Considering that it is important, in order to ensure the maintenances of pacific relations, that hostilities should not commence without previous warning," it is agreed by the Contracting Powers to "recognize that hostilities between them must not commence without a previous and explicit warning in the form of either a declaration of war, giving reasons, or an ultimatum with a conditional declaration of war."
As reasons for a declaration of war are necessarily in the nature of an ultimatum, the ultimatum may now be regarded as an indispensable formality precedent to the outbreak of hostilities.

Another Hague convention of the same date respecting the limitation of the employment of force for the recovery of contract debts provides as follows:


"Being desirous of preventing between nations armed conflicts originating in a pecuniary dispute respecting contract debts claimed from the government of one country by the government of another country as due to its subjects or citizens," the Contracting Powers agree "not to have recourse to armed force for the recovery of contract debts claimed from the government of one country by the government of another country as being due to its subjects or citizens."
This undertaking, however, is not applicable when the debtor state refuses or neglects to reply to an offer of arbitration or, "after accepting the offer, renders the settlement of the compromis impossible, or, after the arbitration, fails to comply with the award."

Under this convention, in the cases to which it relates, the alternative of the ultimatum is ipso facto arbitration, and it is only when the conditions of the convention have been set at naught that other measures may be employed.[2]
 
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Looks like students from China study group are serious about their studies.. Below quote from the TOI article:

“There has been some delay in the corps commander-level talk because China was not reverting with an exact date. But it will take place now. India will continue to press for disengagement from the friction points as the starting point, followed by de-escalation and de-induction of troops,” a senior official said ..

So, i think because India is insisting on disengagement first, the chinese are corneres and are not reverting back on dates for chai biscoot...
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it China study group that was a few months ago advocating to leave china alone talking about how we not miss them off since they are strong and shit and we might fall in their trap.
 

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India needs to do whatever needs to Be done in the next few months. The Chinese don’t have winter experience now but you don’t want to give them a year or two to gain that experience. We have experience of winter and we should put it to good use.
n u think out mea babus will let that happen....of war with china never happens the push all the delpoyed troops into pok
 

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