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by seeing this vid and no smoke coming out of j20 (except during tight turns which is kinda normal), i think they will perfect engine tech within 3 yrs from now

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then how will rafale be a counter for full fledged j-20 ??
amca will take atleast a decade.
this vid is from the ongoing airshow in chyna
 

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Dil toot gaya Pakilundiyo ka 😭.
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If its max range is 145km, then its effective firing range will be nearly half of that, around 70-75km. Saying that I wonder what is the range of PL-12 is then, I think it will be in the same ballpark as R-77, no wonder Pakistanis refused to use it during the Feb 27th episode.



by seeing this vid and no smoke coming out of j20 (except during tight turns which is kinda normal), i think they will perfect engine tech within 3 yrs from now

:notsure::notsure:

then how will rafale be a counter for full fledged j-20 ??
amca will take atleast a decade.
So you concluded that a smokeless engine in J-20 is the factor that makes it superior over Rafale?

Bdesh according to me
Why will Bdesh attack us? Where will they attack us? What do they aim to gain by attacking us? How can they even pose a credible threat against us?
 

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Newsflash in case the moron or any of his cheerleaders is reading this: there's no such thing as Huawei 5g. It's 3gpp 5g. Many companies make 5g equipment, and the existence of the standard just ensures that they are interpretable.

Any way this guy doesn't even seem to know what "industrial internet" means in reference to 5g.
 

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no, i am saying that they have improved their engine tech and after 3-4 yrs they will perfect it.

then how will rafale counter this.
Counter what? Improved engine?

Let's say for argument's sake, they perfect an engine that gives a J-20 T/W ratio of > 1 & supercruise.

How that will be effective in countering Rafale? Rafale's advantages aren't superior kinematic performance TBH, for that we have Mig-29 and Su-30MKI.
It is a sensor fusion and EW package. Now I don't know how effective sensor fusion, EW and threat management will be for J-20 (it can be better or worse than Rafale), but the game will be who detects first, wins scenario.
 

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Counter what? Improved engine?

Let's say for argument's sake, they perfect an engine that gives a J-20 T/W ratio of > 1 & supercruise.

How that will be effective in countering Rafale? Rafale's advantages aren't superior kinematic performance TBH, for that we have Mig-29 and Su-30MKI.
It is a sensor fusion and EW package. Now I don't know how effective sensor fusion, EW and threat management will be for J-20 (it can be better or worse than Rafale), but the game will be who detects first, wins scenario.
thanks for educating me

Previously I thought rafale has better t/w ratio thats why it is being purchased
 

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Counter what? Improved engine?

Let's say for argument's sake, they perfect an engine that gives a J-20 T/W ratio of > 1 & supercruise.

How that will be effective in countering Rafale? Rafale's advantages aren't superior kinematic performance TBH, for that we have Mig-29 and Su-30MKI.
It is a sensor fusion and EW package. Now I don't know how effective sensor fusion, EW and threat management will be for J-20 (it can be better or worse than Rafale), but the game will be who detects first, wins scenario.
But still they come with several prototypes every month, demonstrating a new 5th genenration prototype in every air show. never stop to innovate or atleast reverse engineer. They even claim to build their own growler EW package on j16 platform . Its quite embarassing looking at our under performing PSUs which cannot build a prototype for several years.still no confirmation when lca mkII will fly, AMCA still on papers and testing wind tunnel model for decades. Need to introprespect where we lack, public sectors has been failing to deliver for decades. govt has to fund and start procuring from the pvt sectors just like Western countries
 

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But still they come with several prototypes every month, demonstrating a new 5th genenration prototype in every air show. never stop to innovate or atleast reverse engineer. They even claim to build their own growler EW package on j16 platform . Its quite embarassing looking at our under performing PSUs which cannot build a prototype for several years.still no confirmation when lca mkII will fly, AMCA still on papers and testing wind tunnel model for decades. Need to introprespect where we lack, public sectors has been failing to deliver for decades. govt has to fund and start procuring from the pvt sectors just like Western countries
I have always been advocating this. Unless we dismantle HAL/DRDO and related comfortable PSUs, or completely change their structure to a corporate cut-throat ecosystem, you won't get any productivity out of them.

Uncles sitting on their phat asses and village lads trying to get into comfortable govt. job PSUs will tell you corporate jobs and private sectors are evil, they will sell themselves to the highest bidder, they underpay employees and overwork them.
These people are epitomes of regressive mentality, rot in our society responsible for supporting communism and socialist schemes.
You won't get any innovation out of them.
 

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But still they come with several prototypes every month, demonstrating a new 5th genenration prototype in every air show. never stop to innovate or atleast reverse engineer. They even claim to build their own growler EW package on j16 platform . Its quite embarassing looking at our under performing PSUs which cannot build a prototype for several years.still no confirmation when lca mkII will fly, AMCA still on papers and testing wind tunnel model for decades. Need to introprespect where we lack, public sectors has been failing to deliver for decades. govt has to fund and start procuring from the pvt sectors just like Western countries
The only hope in our current miserable situation of defense R&D is private players jumping in, like MKU, Tonbo, Newspace, and other emerging defense startups.
It has always baffled me how ADA/HAL has even failed to deliver a credible medium-sized drone and struggling with Tapas (Rustom-2).
I can make a Bayraktar-TB2/Wing Loong type UAV in 4-5 years with my given knowledge (and funds, if provided), not joking, and I believe many others in India can, too.

Maybe you will see me in the defense startup ecosystem someday too :)
 

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The only hope in our current miserable situation of defense R&D is private players jumping in, like MKU, Tonbo, Newspace, and other emerging defense startups.
It has always baffled me how ADA/HAL has even failed to deliver a credible medium-sized drone and struggling with Tapas (Rustom-2).
I can make a Bayraktar-TB2/Wing Loong type UAV in 4-5 years with my given knowledge (and funds, if provided), not joking, and I believe many others in India can, too.

Maybe you will see me in the defense startup ecosystem someday too :)
May your venture reach new height of success, All the best. Hope will see a state of art equipment from u soon
 

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by seeing this vid and no smoke coming out of j20 (except during tight turns which is kinda normal), i think they will perfect engine tech within 3 yrs from now

:notsure::notsure:

then how will rafale be a counter for full fledged j-20 ??
amca will take atleast a decade.
Its already detected by our Su30 MKI with russian radars and this shitty J20 whatever engines they use they will be easily detected by our Rafales and do remember spectra suit of Rafale is unmatchable and advantage is Rafale can detect first and fire first also one can detect Rafale but locking it is not easy.
 

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Its already detected by our Su30 MKI with russian radars and this shitty J20 whatever engines they use they will be easily detected by our Rafales and do remember spectra suit of Rafale is unmatchable and advantage is Rafale can detect first and fire first also one can detect Rafale but locking it is not easy.
An advanced platform procured for multi billion $, considered second to F22/35 in terms of capabilities. Will it be deployed for defensive or offensive posture , if it will be engaged only on defensive role then we lack the vision.
 

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Its already detected by our Su30 MKI with russian radars and this shitty J20 whatever engines they use they will be easily detected by our Rafales and do remember spectra suit of Rafale is unmatchable and advantage is Rafale can detect first and fire first also one can detect Rafale but locking it is not easy.
salon ne ninja hatori ka plan chura lia, lagta hai..
 

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An advanced platform procured for multi billion $, considered second to F22/35 in terms of capabilities. Will it be deployed for defensive or offensive posture , if it will be engaged only on defensive role then we lack the vision.
The warfare depends on what tactics IAF forms around Rafale Su30MKI Tejas MIG29UPG MIG21 jaguar and Mirages in attack role and in defence role. Also which aircraft leads the package of all these aircrafts depending on enemy strength and operating theatre. We can't predict what tactics exactly goes on during SEAD or DEAD. If it comes to dog fight then both Rafale and Su30 will smoke chene fighters (above Tibet)
 

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LOL depsang disengagement just got interesting

What's interesting about it? Yet another Chinese random building?


I don't think this is true. Can anybody confirm?
This is from last year, we are well within our boundary (Arunachal Pradesh, Tawang general area).
 
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