India-China 2020 Border conflict

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For example, if you look at an ordinary infantry division in India, there are only tanks in the tank regiment, only trucks in the infantry regiment, and only towed artillery in the artillery regiment.



But China is different, a Chinese heavy synthetic brigade,
Four mobile battalions
(Two tank companies, two infantry fighting vehicle companies, one reconnaissance platoon, one support platoon, one engineer platoon, one medical platoon),
An artillery battalion,
(Two self-propelled howitzer batteries, one heavy anti-tank missile company, one self-propelled rocket launcher company, and one drone guided company)
A special operations battalion,
(Two mobile combat companies, two instrument communication companies, one UAV group)
A support camp
(Communications Brigade, Medical Brigade, Electronic Warfare Brigade, Equipment Repair Brigade, Psychological Warfare Brigade, and several transportation logistics brigade)
An engineering and chemical defense battalion
(Bridge Team, Barrier Break Team, Engineering Team, Chemical Team)
An air defense battalion
(Two HQ17A surface-to-air missile battalions, two self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery battalions)

It’s messy, right. This is this unit. It has a combination of multiple arms and a large number of auxiliary units. This brigade can launch a battle independently. It is more flexible, reduces the organization level, and increases the number of combat units. The combat effectiveness is actually better than the traditional one. The armored division is stronger

As for informatization, as mentioned above, so many different units need a large bandwidth data link to support. For example, now, the target data found by the tank can be directly transmitted to the fire control system of the self-propelled artillery, without the need for a separate artillery. Lead group
In the second example, in the past, only one army could guide the air force to support, but now one battalion can.
Now the Army’s surface-to-air missile search data can be automatically shared with Air Force aircraft.
As for combat effectiveness, in 2014, China’s first heavy synthetic brigade conducted an exercise with China’s best tank division, the 4th Armored Division, and the result was defeated within 24 hours, shocking the Chinese leaders.
India is trying to do the same with Integrated battle groups.. These combined arms brigades are useful for shallow thrusts or defensive manuaovers.. But, there will always have to be a balance.. Strategic deep thrusts into enemy territory is where the Strike Corps of India come in, because of the sheer force of their destructive firepower..
 

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I see, its the same thing we are trying to achieve with our re-orientation, IBGs (integrated battle groups).

What is the general orientation or combination of units for a mountain fighting unit ? Surely tanks/IFVs won’t be very helpful in this theatre.
You can say that these are two promotional videos, but this video roughly describes the offensive mode of a heavy synthetic brigade. First of all, tanks cannot be used on the plateau, but they need special reinforcement.
For example, the Type 15 tank has 1500 horsepower on the plain, but after using two-stage turbocharging, it can still maintain 1000 horsepower at a height of 5000m.
In fact, this requires a tank industry that is not particularly powerful but independent and complete. China happens to have it.
And what is the combat model of the Indian Mountain Division?
The T72 that has not been upgraded, the engine power attenuation is severe under plateau conditions, and the life of the tank will be quickly reduced when used in this way.
Most of the Indian mountain divisions are light infantry, and related artillery and mechanized vehicles are severely lacking. They can only rely on fortifications for defense.
This is China’s light infantry force. It relies on Dongfeng high-performance protective off-road vehicles and truck guns developed on this platform. The HQ10 heavy anti-tank missile can quickly maneuver and consume less logistics. Imagine if this force appeared in you. What's the scene behind the front?
 

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You can say that these are two promotional videos, but this video roughly describes the offensive mode of a heavy synthetic brigade. First of all, tanks cannot be used on the plateau, but they need special reinforcement.
For example, the Type 15 tank has 1500 horsepower on the plain, but after using two-stage turbocharging, it can still maintain 1000 horsepower at a height of 5000m.
In fact, this requires a tank industry that is not particularly powerful but independent and complete. China happens to have it.
And what is the combat model of the Indian Mountain Division?
The T72 that has not been upgraded, the engine power attenuation is severe under plateau conditions, and the life of the tank will be quickly reduced when used in this way.
Most of the Indian mountain divisions are light infantry, and related artillery and mechanized vehicles are severely lacking. They can only rely on fortifications for defense.
This is China’s light infantry force. It relies on Dongfeng high-performance protective off-road vehicles and truck guns developed on this platform. The HQ10 heavy anti-tank missile can quickly maneuver and consume less logistics. Imagine if this force appeared in you. What's the scene behind the front?
Turkey shoot for ATAGs, Air Force raids, SF sabotage
 

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You can say that these are two promotional videos, but this video roughly describes the offensive mode of a heavy synthetic brigade. First of all, tanks cannot be used on the plateau, but they need special reinforcement.
For example, the Type 15 tank has 1500 horsepower on the plain, but after using two-stage turbocharging, it can still maintain 1000 horsepower at a height of 5000m.
In fact, this requires a tank industry that is not particularly powerful but independent and complete. China happens to have it.
And what is the combat model of the Indian Mountain Division?
The T72 that has not been upgraded, the engine power attenuation is severe under plateau conditions, and the life of the tank will be quickly reduced when used in this way.
Most of the Indian mountain divisions are light infantry, and related artillery and mechanized vehicles are severely lacking. They can only rely on fortifications for defense.
This is China’s light infantry force. It relies on Dongfeng high-performance protective off-road vehicles and truck guns developed on this platform. The HQ10 heavy anti-tank missile can quickly maneuver and consume less logistics. Imagine if this force appeared in you. What's the scene behind the front?
Bravery is not made in factory ,indian troops are brave and chinese commies are cowards no technology can turn them brave as it is build into character .
 
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You can say that these are two promotional videos, but this video roughly describes the offensive mode of a heavy synthetic brigade. First of all, tanks cannot be used on the plateau, but they need special reinforcement.
For example, the Type 15 tank has 1500 horsepower on the plain, but after using two-stage turbocharging, it can still maintain 1000 horsepower at a height of 5000m.
In fact, this requires a tank industry that is not particularly powerful but independent and complete. China happens to have it.
And what is the combat model of the Indian Mountain Division?
The T72 that has not been upgraded, the engine power attenuation is severe under plateau conditions, and the life of the tank will be quickly reduced when used in this way.
Most of the Indian mountain divisions are light infantry, and related artillery and mechanized vehicles are severely lacking. They can only rely on fortifications for defense.
This is China’s light infantry force. It relies on Dongfeng high-performance protective off-road vehicles and truck guns developed on this platform. The HQ10 heavy anti-tank missile can quickly maneuver and consume less logistics. Imagine if this force appeared in you. What's the scene behind the front?
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You can say that these are two promotional videos, but this video roughly describes the offensive mode of a heavy synthetic brigade. First of all, tanks cannot be used on the plateau, but they need special reinforcement.
For example, the Type 15 tank has 1500 horsepower on the plain, but after using two-stage turbocharging, it can still maintain 1000 horsepower at a height of 5000m.
In fact, this requires a tank industry that is not particularly powerful but independent and complete. China happens to have it.
And what is the combat model of the Indian Mountain Division?
The T72 that has not been upgraded, the engine power attenuation is severe under plateau conditions, and the life of the tank will be quickly reduced when used in this way.
Most of the Indian mountain divisions are light infantry, and related artillery and mechanized vehicles are severely lacking. They can only rely on fortifications for defense.
This is China’s light infantry force. It relies on Dongfeng high-performance protective off-road vehicles and truck guns developed on this platform. The HQ10 heavy anti-tank missile can quickly maneuver and consume less logistics. Imagine if this force appeared in you. What's the scene behind the front?
U can churn tanks, but u can't churn soldiers.
The difference between India and China is that we have an army which pledges it's allegiance to the Constitution, while u field an army which is more of party workers than battle hardened soldiers.
 

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Indian Army deploys over 15,000 troops specialised in CICT operations to counter Chinese aggression in Ladakh

 

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Indian Army deploys over 15,000 troops specialised in CICT operations to counter Chinese aggression in Ladakh

wouldnt this impact operations in jammu ?

any idea how counter-terrorism operations skills will be usefull in ladak ?

:megusta: maybe for door to door search ops and insurgency cleanup in tibet ?? or aksai chin ??
 

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wouldnt this impact operations in jammu ?

any idea how counter-terrorism operations skills will be usefull in ladak ?

:megusta: maybe for door to door search ops and insurgency cleanup in tibet ?? or aksai chin ??
Hahaha beats me also, Ladakh dont have any vegetation supported for insurgency. Whats the use of CT operators than?

Real conventional warfare is totally different from CICT operations.

Maybe RR will be used for backup firepower and nullifying threats from PLA raising Militia which consists of ethnic Tibetian men who are getting training on the lines of Indian SFF who themselves are trained in CI and unconventional warfare.
 
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You can say that these are two promotional videos, but this video roughly describes the offensive mode of a heavy synthetic brigade. First of all, tanks cannot be used on the plateau, but they need special reinforcement.
For example, the Type 15 tank has 1500 horsepower on the plain, but after using two-stage turbocharging, it can still maintain 1000 horsepower at a height of 5000m.
In fact, this requires a tank industry that is not particularly powerful but independent and complete. China happens to have it.
And what is the combat model of the Indian Mountain Division?
The T72 that has not been upgraded, the engine power attenuation is severe under plateau conditions, and the life of the tank will be quickly reduced when used in this way.
Most of the Indian mountain divisions are light infantry, and related artillery and mechanized vehicles are severely lacking. They can only rely on fortifications for defense.
This is China’s light infantry force. It relies on Dongfeng high-performance protective off-road vehicles and truck guns developed on this platform. The HQ10 heavy anti-tank missile can quickly maneuver and consume less logistics. Imagine if this force appeared in you. What's the scene behind the front?
India has 2500 BMP2s .. T-72 engines in ladakh are uprated, along with Armour and FCS. The Indo China LAC is not a plateau like Tibet, but very mountaineous. So, maneuverability of Chinese vehicles is limited.. As you saw your Chinese super soldiers slugging it out on Pangong tso cliffs in stone bunkers.. there are only so many places vehicles can go..
India has more than 2400 105 mm artillery, which can be slugged from mountains to mountains with helicopters.. so, we don't need to "Imagine if this force appears".. We routinely hit Pakistani armoured vehicles in POK, with precision artillery .. So, just imagine your force traveling on a narrow road along the LAC, and what awaits them.. There is only so much winning without fighting dude. Sun Chutiya can take you only so far.:hat:
 
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The Chinese military have been carrying out these fashion show ramp walking exercises since the past one year. Probably trying desperately to unnerve India and win the battle without shedding blood.

If they are so confident of their superiority why have they not fired a single bullet till now. What are they waiting for?.

The Chinese Communist Party leadership and the PLA generals know fully well that an actual war with the Indian Army will lead to numerous casualties. It will certainly not be one sided. The Indian Infantry is a battle hardened force having fought both the Pakistan Army and the terrorists.

And most importantly the fighting terrain is mostly mountainous. Attacking forces sometimes need to have a numerical superiority of 10:1 to make rapid advances.

The PLA never tires of displaying its rocket artillery but can they hit reverse slopes of hills and mountains.

I anticipate the IAF will gain the upper hand against the PLAAF early because of the Rafale -Meteor missile combo. The PLAAF can only desperately hope that the J20 will even the battle. But is it fully operational and what are its capabilities. If even one J20 is shot down by a Rafale the Chinese claims of technological superiority will be exposed before the world. Can the Chinese risk putting the J20 into battle against India.

An India - China war will be a Public Relations disaster for the Chinese. It will paint them as aggressors in Asia and push many countries in Asia to seek military alliances with Washington. Foreign Direct Investment in China will nosedive and many companies will quit China.

The arrival of dead bodies of Chinese soldiers in their cities and villages will be a hard reality check. The super hero image of the PLA will be punctured.

India will also see deaths but we have a long tradition of making sacrifices and honouring our brave hearts.

So don't think war with India will be a picnic. The PLA might well regret provoking India.

Another unknown factor is the reaction of the US and its allies to the war between India and China. The West may well decide to support India morally and materially.
Can China take on both India and the US alliance together.

I personally don't believe that all common Chinese people support a war against India. This course of aggression is mainly pursued by the CCP dictatorship and PLA hardliners.
 

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Will the proposed theatre reforms that will come this year have any impact on the situation? heard its coming in Independence day this year??
 

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You can say that these are two promotional videos, but this video roughly describes the offensive mode of a heavy synthetic brigade. First of all, tanks cannot be used on the plateau, but they need special reinforcement.
For example, the Type 15 tank has 1500 horsepower on the plain, but after using two-stage turbocharging, it can still maintain 1000 horsepower at a height of 5000m.
In fact, this requires a tank industry that is not particularly powerful but independent and complete. China happens to have it.
And what is the combat model of the Indian Mountain Division?
The T72 that has not been upgraded, the engine power attenuation is severe under plateau conditions, and the life of the tank will be quickly reduced when used in this way.
Most of the Indian mountain divisions are light infantry, and related artillery and mechanized vehicles are severely lacking. They can only rely on fortifications for defense.
This is China’s light infantry force. It relies on Dongfeng high-performance protective off-road vehicles and truck guns developed on this platform. The HQ10 heavy anti-tank missile can quickly maneuver and consume less logistics. Imagine if this force appeared in you. What's the scene behind the front?
I will properly reply to this tomorrow.

Hahaha beats me also, Ladakh dont have any vegetation supported for insurgency. Whats the use of CT operators than?

Real conventional warfare is totally different from CICT operations.

Maybe RR will be used for backup firepower and nullifying threats from PLA raising Militia which consists of ethnic Tibetian men who are getting training on the lines of Indian SFF who themselves are trained in CI and unconventional warfare.
You miss the entire point. Rashtriya Rifle soldiers are the most experienced and battle-hardened soldiers of the Indian army. If you get the chance, see their SoP, they fearlessly run into the gunfire and shoot down terrorists at point-blank range, without any fear for life.

If tomorrow shooting starts at the Ladakh border, you better be sure RR/Victor force soldiers will give absolute hell to the Chinese.

Real conventional warfare is totally different from CICT operations.
If you are referring to CT operations/encounters undertaken by NSG/Police commandos, then yes. Our counter-insurgency and anti-infiltration operations are full war level.
Forgot the intense shelling, cross-border raids, BAT attacks? Those are as intense as it can get as real war.
 

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