India-China 2020 Border conflict

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If China and India go to war, we will not use armored forces like the India-Pakistan war, but use our multi-arms highly integrated and highly informatized advantages to carry out large-scale interspersed and encircled maneuvers.
Since 1979 when and where You carried out "large-scale interspersed and encircled maneuvers" ?
 

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Since 1979 when and where You carried out "large-scale interspersed and encircled maneuvers" ?
In fact, the Sino-Vietnamese war did not end until the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1990
I think high-intensity exercises can train the army better than low-intensity wars. An Air Force lieutenant colonel said in an interview that we used more precision-guided weapons in a large-scale military exercise than Russia had used in Syria for five years.
 

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From where this situation is coming up for discussion of India facing defeat?
Anyone can lose war but u dont prepare for losing war. Discussions here r what we will do when we lose the war. You plan for fighting war. Not losing it. Its not about confidence and over confidence.
And don't reply with should be prepared for every outcome because once u lose war then all the things u need to do and study is secondary and can be taken at that time. Because u r already at lowest. At current point its about fighting and winning.
As I mentioned, a hypothetical scenario. And since we (most probably) won’t have any part in decision making for fighting, what we prepare for should not matter at all.
We as armchair generals, live to debate scenario, most of them fictional.

If fighting in the rain forest, I remember there is a mountain light infantry brigade in Tibet
These troops are mainly for mechanized units fighting on plateaus and mountains.
If China and India go to war, we will not use armored forces like the India-Pakistan war, but use our multi-arms highly integrated and highly informatized advantages to carry out large-scale interspersed and encircled maneuvers.
Bold part, can you elaborate more? What did those huge terminologies mean ?
 

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As I mentioned, a hypothetical scenario. And since we (most probably) won’t have any part in decision making for fighting, what we prepare for should not matter at all.
We as armchair generals, live to debate scenario, most of them fictional.
Generals debate scenarios of fight not what to do after loss. Thats political brass's handling. And after loss assessment in forces are done on basis of things which made u lose war not that we lost war now discuss. Even hypothetically u dont hv any grounds on discussing win or loss. U have info about situation and any fruitful discussion can only be about fight tactics.
 

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As I mentioned, a hypothetical scenario. And since we (most probably) won’t have any part in decision making for fighting, what we prepare for should not matter at all.
We as armchair generals, live to debate scenario, most of them fictional.



Bold part, can you elaborate more? What did those huge terminologies mean ?
For example, if you look at an ordinary infantry division in India, there are only tanks in the tank regiment, only trucks in the infantry regiment, and only towed artillery in the artillery regiment.



But China is different, a Chinese heavy synthetic brigade,
Four mobile battalions
(Two tank companies, two infantry fighting vehicle companies, one reconnaissance platoon, one support platoon, one engineer platoon, one medical platoon),
An artillery battalion,
(Two self-propelled howitzer batteries, one heavy anti-tank missile company, one self-propelled rocket launcher company, and one drone guided company)
A special operations battalion,
(Two mobile combat companies, two instrument communication companies, one UAV group)
A support camp
(Communications Brigade, Medical Brigade, Electronic Warfare Brigade, Equipment Repair Brigade, Psychological Warfare Brigade, and several transportation logistics brigade)
An engineering and chemical defense battalion
(Bridge Team, Barrier Break Team, Engineering Team, Chemical Team)
An air defense battalion
(Two HQ17A surface-to-air missile battalions, two self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery battalions)

It’s messy, right. This is this unit. It has a combination of multiple arms and a large number of auxiliary units. This brigade can launch a battle independently. It is more flexible, reduces the organization level, and increases the number of combat units. The combat effectiveness is actually better than the traditional one. The armored division is stronger

As for informatization, as mentioned above, so many different units need a large bandwidth data link to support. For example, now, the target data found by the tank can be directly transmitted to the fire control system of the self-propelled artillery, without the need for a separate artillery. Lead group
In the second example, in the past, only one army could guide the air force to support, but now one battalion can.
Now the Army’s surface-to-air missile search data can be automatically shared with Air Force aircraft.
As for combat effectiveness, in 2014, China’s first heavy synthetic brigade conducted an exercise with China’s best tank division, the 4th Armored Division, and the result was defeated within 24 hours, shocking the Chinese leaders.
 

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For example, if you look at an ordinary infantry division in India, there are only tanks in the tank regiment, only trucks in the infantry regiment, and only towed artillery in the artillery regiment.



But China is different, a Chinese heavy synthetic brigade,
Four mobile battalions
(Two tank companies, two infantry fighting vehicle companies, one reconnaissance platoon, one support platoon, one engineer platoon, one medical platoon),
An artillery battalion,
(Two self-propelled howitzer batteries, one heavy anti-tank missile company, one self-propelled rocket launcher company, and one drone guided company)
A special operations battalion,
(Two mobile combat companies, two instrument communication companies, one UAV group)
A support camp
(Communications Brigade, Medical Brigade, Electronic Warfare Brigade, Equipment Repair Brigade, Psychological Warfare Brigade, and several transportation logistics brigade)
An engineering and chemical defense battalion
(Bridge Team, Barrier Break Team, Engineering Team, Chemical Team)
An air defense battalion
(Two HQ17A surface-to-air missile battalions, two self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery battalions)

It’s messy, right. This is this unit. It has a combination of multiple arms and a large number of auxiliary units. This brigade can launch a battle independently. It is more flexible, reduces the organization level, and increases the number of combat units. The combat effectiveness is actually better than the traditional one. The armored division is stronger

As for informatization, as mentioned above, so many different units need a large bandwidth data link to support. For example, now, the target data found by the tank can be directly transmitted to the fire control system of the self-propelled artillery, without the need for a separate artillery. Lead group
In the second example, in the past, only one army could guide the air force to support, but now one battalion can.
Now the Army’s surface-to-air missile search data can be automatically shared with Air Force aircraft.
As for combat effectiveness, in 2014, China’s first heavy synthetic brigade conducted an exercise with China’s best tank division, the 4th Armored Division, and the result was defeated within 24 hours, shocking the Chinese leaders.
The compilation is very messy, and there are several mistakes
 

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For example, if you look at an ordinary infantry division in India, there are only tanks in the tank regiment, only trucks in the infantry regiment, and only towed artillery in the artillery regiment.



But China is different, a Chinese heavy synthetic brigade,
Four mobile battalions
(Two tank companies, two infantry fighting vehicle companies, one reconnaissance platoon, one support platoon, one engineer platoon, one medical platoon),
An artillery battalion,
(Two self-propelled howitzer batteries, one heavy anti-tank missile company, one self-propelled rocket launcher company, and one drone guided company)
A special operations battalion,
(Two mobile combat companies, two instrument communication companies, one UAV group)
A support camp
(Communications Brigade, Medical Brigade, Electronic Warfare Brigade, Equipment Repair Brigade, Psychological Warfare Brigade, and several transportation logistics brigade)
An engineering and chemical defense battalion
(Bridge Team, Barrier Break Team, Engineering Team, Chemical Team)
An air defense battalion
(Two HQ17A surface-to-air missile battalions, two self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery battalions)

It’s messy, right. This is this unit. It has a combination of multiple arms and a large number of auxiliary units. This brigade can launch a battle independently. It is more flexible, reduces the organization level, and increases the number of combat units. The combat effectiveness is actually better than the traditional one. The armored division is stronger

As for informatization, as mentioned above, so many different units need a large bandwidth data link to support. For example, now, the target data found by the tank can be directly transmitted to the fire control system of the self-propelled artillery, without the need for a separate artillery. Lead group
In the second example, in the past, only one army could guide the air force to support, but now one battalion can.
Now the Army’s surface-to-air missile search data can be automatically shared with Air Force aircraft.
As for combat effectiveness, in 2014, China’s first heavy synthetic brigade conducted an exercise with China’s best tank division, the 4th Armored Division, and the result was defeated within 24 hours, shocking the Chinese leaders.
The compilation is very messy, and there are several mistakes
I see, its the same thing we are trying to achieve with our re-orientation, IBGs (integrated battle groups).

What is the general orientation or combination of units for a mountain fighting unit ? Surely tanks/IFVs won’t be very helpful in this theatre.
 

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Certain RR units like 19 RR has companies with multiple encounters and gallantry citations spanning from the 90s to this day

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probably in the entire world
 

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Chinese phones and all electronic devices contain snooping hardware and software, and can collect enough data from 3rd party sources which, if collated, can lead to intelligence failures. This is why it's imperative that we all get rid of Chinese phones and electronic devices; the sooner the better.
 

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In fact, the Sino-Vietnamese war did not end until the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1990
I think high-intensity exercises can train the army better than low-intensity wars. An Air Force lieutenant colonel said in an interview that we used more precision-guided weapons in a large-scale military exercise than Russia had used in Syria for five years.
Exercises are important.. but you don't get to know about enemy tactics and countermeasures by exercising with your own or just Russia..
 

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