InAir Force to place all MiG 29s along Pak border: Valid tactical decision? Your take

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No I agree with that part. My concern is with what countermeasures would be taken in the event of a pre-emptive strike on the airbase.
With our current capabilities PAF will be hard pressed to reach Adampur. It will be too well defended. If there is a war, PAF will limit itself to protecting its own territory rather than try something stupid like hitting a full fledged airbase.

I completely support the opinion that MiGs are more Pakistan-centric, while Sukois are China-centric.
Wrong. MKIs were inducted to ensure air superiority over our own territory against both Pak and China. MKI is centric to our doctrine and not just a single country. Tomorrow we may have to prepare for fighting a new enemy. 2 squadrons of MKI will be placed in Punjab in a few years.

Mig-29s are not placed on the eastern front only because there are a handful of fighters.
 

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fellow members , we are forgetting that there are many radar sites in gujrat and rajasthan ( one radar site is near Mount Abu ) the minute pakistani aircraft gets airborne we will get to know . so even if there are no Mig29 in gujat , MKI from Pune will be in action in no time to shoot chinese made pakistani junk out of the sky
 

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sorry sir, but i do not understand your future things with current issue. IAF has moved, means already done. imo, spyder and akash are things of future - i mean existance in numbers - they are not part of defence forces yet. you mean to say that till then, gujarat will remain protected by god????:help:

i doubt that all migs are BVR combat capable especially the bisons 'coz only bisons are there on gujarat border now. correct me if i am wrong.
sir pls read the article properly, it never says that the IAF has moved mig29's. In the 2nd para it is very clearly mentioned that "The Adampur Air Force station, which is also known as the home of MiG 29s, already has two frontline fighter squadrons and will see another squadron moving from Jamnagar in Gujarat soon." This should settle the unnecessary controversy
 

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as of allways PAF F-16 only scared by IAF Mig-29's' even in kargil war the F-16 coulnt help intruders as Mig-29's were patroling that area.
1. Pakistan military was not officially involved in Kargil conflict. So no question of providing active air support to the infiltrators.
2. During Kargil, India had R77/RVV-AE BVRAAMs but Pakistan did not have BVR capability. Now, they have the PL-12 (nobody knows how capable it is).

However, in the present day scenario, we can rule out a Pakistani pre-emptive strike because
1. They failed in 71, and they are still fearful of the same.
2. India's early warning network in West/North-West India is the best in the country with multiple Israeli Aerostat radars deployed which can detect cruise missile and low flying aircraft, let alone strike packages.
 

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This just in. Refers to the transfer of the upgraded Mig-29's with Zhuk-ME radars, new weapons control systems and Series-3 RD-33 engines to the Adampur airforce base by March 2010, now delayed by atleast 8 months because of snags at the Russian end. If true, it's pathetic!



Induction of upgraded MiG-29 hit by delay at Russian end


The Indian Air Force's plans to induct upgraded MiG-29 by March next year has been hit due to delay at the Russian end with the first lot of six aircraft likely to come in only by early 2011.

"Originally, the upgraded MiG-29s were to join the IAF squadrons at Adampur airbase in Punjab by March 2010. But now, there will be a delay of another eight to 10 months and hence, we expect it only in early 2011," a senior IAF officer said on Sunday. Under the US $ 950-million contract signed in March 2008 for upgrading 60-odd MiG-29s operated by IAF's three squadrons, the IAF planned to fit Series-3 version of RD-33 engine to increase its thrust from 8.3 ton to over 9 ton, apart from improved avionics, modern weapon systems and Beyond Visual Range missiles.

"The idea is to upgrade the MiG-29 from an aerial interceptor, air superiority aircraft to a multi-role fighter-bomber aircraft capable of striking mobile and stationary targets on the ground and at sea with high-precision weapons in all-weather conditions beyond visual range," the officer said. While the first six aircraft would be upgraded by the original equipment manufacturer, the remaining aircraft would be attended to at the IAF's Nashik-based 11 Base Repair Depot with kits supplied by RAC-MIG. The upgrading is happening on the basis of the new requirements for the MiG-29s that IAF had indicated to the OEM, based on an assessment it had made for the future role of the fighter aircraft.

"The upgrade will increase the service life of MiG-29 from the existing 25 years to 40 years. The upgrade of all the aircraft was originally envisaged within three years. But now, it could take another year or more to complete," he added. This will include replacing existing on-board radars with the advanced multi-functional Zhuk-ME radar and a new weapon control system. The package is also expected to include state-of-the-art avionics and cockpit ergonomics, along with an increase in fuel capacity.

The twin-engine MiG-29s will carry sophisticated air-to-air and high-accuracy air-to-ground missiles such as R-27, R-60Mk and R-73, and 'smart aerial' bombs. The upgrade programme ran into rough weather after a Russian Air Force MiG-29 crashed in December last forcing the IAF to ground all its aircraft to carry out extensive checks.

With Russia identifying structural faults in the aircraft's tail fins, the IAF went about checking the tail fins of the MiG-29s in its squadrons."Half-a-dozen of the MiG-29s in our fleet were found with faults in the tail fin and these had to be replaced. On the MiG-29s from the same batch of aircraft as the Russians, we did further checks to rectify structural faults completely," an IAF engineer said.


Induction of MiG-29 delayed at Russian end: Rediff.com news
 

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If they upgrade it in time and the aircraft proves to be truly multi-role, it might just swing mmrca in their favour.
 

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'The upgraded MiG 29 fighters will have better radar systems and avionics to help fighters, a new weapon control system, modernised RD-33 engines, which would increase the aircraft hitting capability from long ranges. Its lethality would be increased,'' said Arora. ''The idea is to upgrade the MiG-29 from an aerial interceptor, air superiority aircraft to a multi-role fighter-bomber aircraft capable of striking mobile and stationary targets on the ground and at sea,'' said another officer.



domain-b.com : IAF to make Adampur home base for MiG-29s
 

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This just in. Refers to the transfer of the upgraded Mig-29's with Zhuk-ME radars, new weapons control systems and Series-3 RD-33 engines to the Adampur airforce base by March 2010, now delayed by atleast 8 months because of snags at the Russian end. If true, it's pathetic!



Induction of upgraded MiG-29 hit by delay at Russian end


The Indian Air Force's plans to induct upgraded MiG-29 by March next year has been hit due to delay at the Russian end with the first lot of six aircraft likely to come in only by early 2011.

"Originally, the upgraded MiG-29s were to join the IAF squadrons at Adampur airbase in Punjab by March 2010. But now, there will be a delay of another eight to 10 months and hence, we expect it only in early 2011," a senior IAF officer said on Sunday. Under the US $ 950-million contract signed in March 2008 for upgrading 60-odd MiG-29s operated by IAF's three squadrons, the IAF planned to fit Series-3 version of RD-33 engine to increase its thrust from 8.3 ton to over 9 ton, apart from improved avionics, modern weapon systems and Beyond Visual Range missiles.

"The idea is to upgrade the MiG-29 from an aerial interceptor, air superiority aircraft to a multi-role fighter-bomber aircraft capable of striking mobile and stationary targets on the ground and at sea with high-precision weapons in all-weather conditions beyond visual range," the officer said. While the first six aircraft would be upgraded by the original equipment manufacturer, the remaining aircraft would be attended to at the IAF's Nashik-based 11 Base Repair Depot with kits supplied by RAC-MIG. The upgrading is happening on the basis of the new requirements for the MiG-29s that IAF had indicated to the OEM, based on an assessment it had made for the future role of the fighter aircraft.

"The upgrade will increase the service life of MiG-29 from the existing 25 years to 40 years. The upgrade of all the aircraft was originally envisaged within three years. But now, it could take another year or more to complete," he added. This will include replacing existing on-board radars with the advanced multi-functional Zhuk-ME radar and a new weapon control system. The package is also expected to include state-of-the-art avionics and cockpit ergonomics, along with an increase in fuel capacity.

The twin-engine MiG-29s will carry sophisticated air-to-air and high-accuracy air-to-ground missiles such as R-27, R-60Mk and R-73, and 'smart aerial' bombs. The upgrade programme ran into rough weather after a Russian Air Force MiG-29 crashed in December last forcing the IAF to ground all its aircraft to carry out extensive checks.

With Russia identifying structural faults in the aircraft's tail fins, the IAF went about checking the tail fins of the MiG-29s in its squadrons."Half-a-dozen of the MiG-29s in our fleet were found with faults in the tail fin and these had to be replaced. On the MiG-29s from the same batch of aircraft as the Russians, we did further checks to rectify structural faults completely," an IAF engineer said.


Induction of MiG-29 delayed at Russian end: Rediff.com news
this is what i am afraid of, when ever thinking about the stuff from russia. yes, always cheap but now-a-days mostly not on time. as long as time of delivery of goods concerns, they are just behind drdo. russia delivers atleast, and drdo... oops!!!!
 

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India plans to put military pressure on Pakistan by deploying advanced aircraft in Punjab NEW DELHI, Oct. 5 (APP) India has planned to put military pressure on Pakistan by deploying advanced fighter aircraft in Punjab close to Pakistan border. To improve its strike capabilities against Pakistan, IAF will deploy Sukhois, fourth generation upgraded MiG-29 and air defence radars, IAF official said.
Two squadrons with 4.5-generation Sukhois will be operational at the Halwara fighter base near Ludhiana within two years from now. Besides this, the upgraded fourth generation MiG-29 will also be based in Punjab at Adampur base.
Rohini Radars, developed by Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and BEL and three Active Phased Array Radars will also be deployed in Punjab.
The first of the Su-30 squadrons will be based by 2011 at the Halwara air base, the official said and added the development of infrastructure for this purpose has already been started at the base.
All MiG-29s to be stationed at Adampur base in Punjab. The IAF will move one of its MiG-29 squadrons from Jamnagar in Gujarat to Adampur airbase in Punjab, which already has two MiG-29 squadrons.
Adampur airbase is just about 100 km from the Pak-India border and it takes fighter jets just six minutes to reach the border, the official said.
Meanwhile, the Indian army is also planning to acquire 300 light tanks for deployment in the mountainous regions of the border with Pakistan and China.
The tanks will be deployed in occupied Kashmir, Arunachal Pradesh and Assam in the north-east, media reports quoting sources said.
The tanks are expected to weigh around 22 tonnes and will be capable of operating at heights of over 3,000 metres, the sources added.



http://www.app.com.pk/en_/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=87137&Itemid=2
 

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I fail to understand what kind of pressure the mere presence of Migs will inspire when PA have just gotten away with the murder of 200 indian citizens in Mumbai city last November!
And if we place all of them on Pakistani border, what happens to Arunachal Pradesh? Surely, if anyone has to be pressurised, it is Chinese along the Arunachal border.
 

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I fail to understand what kind of pressure the mere presence of Migs will inspire when PA have just gotten away with the murder of 200 indian citizens in Mumbai city last November!
And if we place all of them on Pakistani border, what happens to Arunachal Pradesh? Surely, if anyone has to be pressurised, it is Chinese along the Arunachal border.
Pressure to follow suit, Pressure to keep up, and finally the Pressure to bankrupt itself by countering these moves.

If we go and play along with the chinese, we will bankrupt ourselves. We are using the chinese game on Pakistan, and pakistan being Pakistan has to follow suit because they know its a matter of importance.

China on the other hand, needs just minimum deterrence from our part. We dont need to supersede them. We are already countering them I feel, but at our own pace.
 

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I fail to understand what kind of pressure the mere presence of Migs will inspire when PA have just gotten away with the murder of 200 indian citizens in Mumbai city last November!
oh, it is just the media spin. it is just restucturing and reorganising post mig 23 retirement.
what happens to Arunachal Pradesh? Surely, if anyone has to be pressurised, it is Chinese along the Arunachal border.
it is being taken care. su 30mki's are being stationed in tezpur, planed for chabua too apart from the ones already at bareilly. but yes it is a long haul with mmrca chipping in post 2012.
 

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I fail to understand what kind of pressure the mere presence of Migs will inspire when PA have just gotten away with the murder of 200 indian citizens in Mumbai city last November!
And if we place all of them on Pakistani border, what happens to Arunachal Pradesh? Surely, if anyone has to be pressurised, it is Chinese along the Arunachal border.
We have enough air assets to counter both countries. Wait for PAKFA to fly and you will see both the countries(mainly China) go on the backfoot. Patience.
 

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it wont..Russians aint that stupid to loose India as their biggest arms customer
Why, because you the Mig-35 advocate said so?

Its already 8 months behind schedule. Does it have to be 5-6 years behind schedule to be similar to the Gorshkov?
 

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I fail to understand what kind of pressure the mere presence of Migs will inspire when PA have just gotten away with the murder of 200 indian citizens in Mumbai city last November!
And if we place all of them on Pakistani border, what happens to Arunachal Pradesh? Surely, if anyone has to be pressurized, it is Chinese along the Arunachal border.

Putting MIG's in front will eliminate PAF's chances to help PA. PAF has got very few fighters in its inventory which it cannot afford to loose. Until PAF gets F-16 block 52 or J10 which can technologically come close to match IAF's inventory, it cannot even think about air-superiority in case of war and will literally have to send its pilots for a suicide mission to combat a Mig 29 or Su 30. PAF's reluctance was already on display at Kargil.

Now coming to your point on pressurizing Chinese, a war with China will be more bad for India than China. Arunachal Pradesh will remain a diplomatic stale mate for a long time.

A better way of pressurizing Chinese would be to build better infrastructure in Arunachal, organize International events and sports activities like cricket etc to let the world know that it is a part of India. For example, build an international cricket stadium there and organize a cricket match. When team India plays with 1000's of supporters waving Indian flag, you make it clear that the place belongs to India in world community's view.
 

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Putting MIG's in front will eliminate PAF's chances to help PA. PAF has got very few fighters in its inventory which it cannot afford to loose. Until PAF gets F-16 block 52 or J10 which can technologically come close to match IAF's inventory, it cannot even think about air-superiority in case of war and will literally have to send its pilots for a suicide mission to combat a Mig 29 or Su 30. PAF's reluctance was already on display at Kargil.
Its not the PAF that is of concern here. The airbase would be so well protected by SAMs that PAF cannot hope to reach it even if IAF does not have fighters airborne.
Its Pakistani cruise missile and ballistic missile (both conventional warhead and tactical nuke warhead) strikes that are relevant in this context.
 

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migs on the chinese border ? It's a lot better than doing nothing and they (IAF) would know about protecting it with radar etc. It gives prc some practical evidence that the india of today aint tha 1962 stuff. When they moved aircraft close to aksai chin , "old adam beig " (?) airfield , the prc voiced their anger . These moves make a difference.
 

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