IN Scorpene Submarines - News & Discussions

[Shashwat]

New Scorpene with X-Shape Tail fin/rudder.


Moreover acc to french ambassador, a bigger ship with new features is on offer. Something from the likes of SMX 3.0/Barracude Block 1a?

French shipbuilding conglomerate Naval Group has a partnership as part of a transfer of technology (ToT) arrangement with Mazagon Docks Shipbuilders Limited (MDL) for the $3.75-billion ‘Project 75’ (P-75 l). What is the progress so far?

The P-75 Scorpene programme has given us extensive experience in working with Indian industry to produce modern and high performance submarines. The delivery of the first Scorpene-class submarine, Kalvari to the Indian Navy late in 2017, is greatly illustrative of this exemplary strategic and industrial partnership. The second Scorpene, the Khanderi, is completing its trials at sea and the third was launched early in the year. The programme is proceeding satisfactorily and in total six Scorpenes should equip the Indian Navy by 2022.

We obviously wish to continue and deepen this partnership in the field of submarines. The French group, Naval Group, responded favourably to the request for information on the Project 75 India project issued in mid-2017, proposing a new design, even more efficient than the Scorpene, with the best available technologies and weapons package, perfectly suited to the high ambitions of the Indian Navy.

http://businessworld.in/article/Our...To-India-Alexandre-Ziegler/27-06-2018-153130/

 

[Manish Khan]

From Firstpost:
Khanderi, the second Scorpene class submarine that has superior stealth and the ability to launch a crippling attack with torpedoes as well as tube-launched anti-ship missiles whilst underwater or on surface, was launched at the Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited (MDL) in 2017

Khanderi can make a great contribution to our Navy,enhance the under-water strike ability.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Some People while comparing Chinese and Indian subs makes a mistake of simply comparing the numbers. People forget that A french Sub had killed numbers of US navy vessel in an exercise. French Subs are state of arts. Any French weapon is top class in Electronics whether it is plane or missile or submarine. Chinese subs are very ordinary.

 

[BON PLAN]

Some People while comparing Chinese and Indian subs makes a mistake of simply comparing the numbers. People forget that A french Sub had killed numbers of US navy vessel in an exercise. French Subs are state of arts. Any French weapon is top class in Electronics whether it is plane or missile or submarine. Chinese subs are very ordinary.

Yes, but it was a SSN ! But a old SSN... (30 years old +/-).

Don't forget the chinese sub that goes to the surface in the immediate vincinity of a US carrier without been seen...

So Your compliment about french stuff is pleasant , but the chinese products are maybe slightly better than "very ordinary". At least they are progressing very quickly.

 

[binayak95]

Yes, but it was a SSN ! But a old SSN... (30 years old +/-).

Don't forget the chinese sub that goes to the surface in the immediate vincinity of a US carrier without been seen...

So Your compliment about french stuff is pleasant , but the chinese products are maybe slightly better than "very ordinary". At least they are progressing very quickly.

There are several confusing reports. Some claim that PLAN subs are so noisy that P8As and P8Is track them easily across the Malaccas and in the IOR.

 

[Kshithij]

Some People while comparing Chinese and Indian subs makes a mistake of simply comparing the numbers. People forget that A french Sub had killed numbers of US navy vessel in an exercise. French Subs are state of arts. Any French weapon is top class in Electronics whether it is plane or missile or submarine. Chinese subs are very ordinary.

That is incorrect. Chinese have access to Kilo class submarine from USSR. So, Chinese submarine would have at most as much noise of Kilo class. There is good chance that Chinese have reduced noise even further. I am not sure of diesel submarine

There are several confusing reports. Some claim that PLAN subs are so noisy that P8As and P8Is track them easily across the Malaccas and in the IOR.

Are you speaking of chinese nucpean submarines? To come till Malacca and beyond, the ferry range of the submarine must be minimum of 8000-10000km which is mostly nuclear ones. Also Malacca strait is very shallow. The Malacca is essentially a narrow valley between mountains. So, submarines can't submerge much in Malacca. That means any submarine, be it scorpene or Chinese, will be easy to track

 

[BON PLAN]

There are several confusing reports. Some claim that PLAN subs are so noisy that P8As and P8Is track them easily across the Malaccas and in the IOR.

What kind of subs?

I think the latest are more stealthier than the previous one.
Now every body can purchase very complexe CNC machine tools, so it's easier than ever to produce for exemple 7 fins propeller (before it was difficult to produce a nice 7 fins prop because 360° / 7 = 51,4285...43... ° !!! hard ).
It's probably out of chinese range to compete against last US SSN, but if a 30 years old french SSN can approch a carrier, a recent chinese one can probably do so.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

would have at most as much noise of Kilo class. There is good chance that Chinese have reduced noise even further.

And what makes you think that only chinese would have done this and not Indians?

 

[Kshithij]

And what makes you think that only chinese would have done this and not Indians?

I am speaking of detection with P8 or other methods. India does not have diesel submarine manufacturing. It just makes French scorpene. India may have reduced noise of Akula while making Arihant

 

[HariPrasad-1]

I am speaking of detection with P8 or other methods.

What is P8?

India does not have diesel submarine manufacturing. It just makes French scorpene.

Isn't Scorpene a Diesel sub? In fact, we use German, French, Russian subs and in all probability, we should have learned a lot from these technologies.

 

[Kshithij]

What is P8?



Isn't Scorpene a Diesel sub? In fact, we use German, French, Russian subs and in all probability, we should have learned a lot from these technologies.

Scorpene is french desigj and has 50% french imported parts. So, India doesn't make these submarines fully. India may have learnt from scorpene assbly and partial manufacturing but it is not yet making submarines fully

P8 is P8 Orion ASW plane

 

[Illusive]

That is incorrect. Chinese have access to Kilo class submarine from USSR. So, Chinese submarine would have at most as much noise of Kilo class. There is good chance that Chinese have reduced noise even further. I am not sure of diesel submarine

Are you speaking of chinese nucpean submarines? To come till Malacca and beyond, the ferry range of the submarine must be minimum of 8000-10000km which is mostly nuclear ones. Also Malacca strait is very shallow. The Malacca is essentially a narrow valley between mountains. So, submarines can't submerge much in Malacca. That means any submarine, be it scorpene or Chinese, will be easy to track

That's why the Chinese are looking for bases in IOR and I am worried some African country might give them that.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

That's why the Chinese are looking for bases in IOR and I am worried some African country might give them that.

We must make sure that BD, Srilanka and Maldive do not fall in trap of china. We can neutralize Pakistan with Chabahar port. Base in Gulf will give us an advantage. We must control Indian ocean at any cost.

 

[Flame Thrower]

We must make sure that BD, Srilanka and Maldive do not fall in trap of china. We can neutralize Pakistan with Chabahar port. Base in Gulf will give us an advantage. We must control Indian ocean at any cost.

Let's say they fall under Chinese trap, what are the consequences!!??

None of them have military power to support China during war.

Coming peace time, bribing them for not going towards China is costing us more.

Sri Lanka has seen the consequences of joining China. Let the whole world see it as well.

None of our neighbours have strong economie(except BD), nor valueable resources worth bribing them(except BD and that too due to NE states safety).

My attitude towards our neighbors changed since couple of months as I couldn't answer why we need to bribe them to tow our line.

I want to discuss on this topic any interested folks can PM me as well.

Thus I rest my case.

 

[Vinod DX9]

The biggest news ever, hope it's true

 

[BON PLAN]

The biggest news ever, hope it's true

Three aspects :
has India the right to export its own Scorpene? absolutely not sure. But not impossible.
Does Mazagon able to built 100% of a Scorpene ? Not yet.
It will be clever to use India to give subs to Taiwan ! as China did the same with Pak.

 

[Kshithij]

Three aspects :
has India the right to export its own Scorpene? absolutely not sure. But not impossible.
Does Mazagon able to built 100% of a Scorpene ? Not yet.
It will be clever to use India to give subs to Taiwan ! as China did the same with Pak.

Since India does not make full scorepene yet, the only way to export is with French assistance. India makes only 50% of scorpene and rest 50% is from France. This may be increased over time but since the tender is for present, I think that France will be involved

 

[BON PLAN]

Since India does not make full scorepene yet, the only way to export is with French assistance. India makes only 50% of scorpene and rest 50% is from France. This may be increased over time but since the tender is for present, I think that France will be involved

To export weapon to Taiwan is not an easy thing !

If I remember well France gave its assurance to China that no more french weapon will be sold to Taiwan after the 60 x Mirage 2000-5 ....

 

[Kshithij]

To export weapon to Taiwan is not an easy thing !

If I remember well France gave its assurance to China that no more french weapon will be sold to Taiwan after the 60 x Mirage 2000-5 ....

If that is the case, then China must also halt defence exports to Pakistan and Bangladesh. Give and take.

 

[BON PLAN]

If that is the case, then China must also halt defence exports to Pakistan and Bangladesh. Give and take.

At those time we, the french, intend to sell many Airbus and TGV and nuclear power units to China...
We had to make some efforts.