Improving Effectiveness of the Indian Army

[Bhadra]

1. You have Jawans being used as servants by Officers.

Not like all other govt services in India. You are unable to see one CRPF platoon employed at the bungalow of each and every DM / DC, SP a District Judge, a gang of labour employed under petticoats of the wife of every Works deptt JE upwards. hoards of Khalasies employed by every railway officials at their home. Central govt employees drawing an attendants pay ( to employ a servant) but employing govt servants at their home by numbers.

IPS have even made legal to employ a score of CPF personnel at their houses in the name of security even after retirements.. There at least 3000 light vehicles of CPF attached in Delhi with retired IPS officers....

But why would you see that.... your point of focus is army officer who employ soldiers with dignity and humanity ..as functional necessity

I am from an Officer family

I do not contest that. on the contrary that seems to be the reason for you being a frog in the well and having such strong prejudices. I suggest you open your eyes...

 

[Bhadra]

The backbone of the Army is it's NCOs. Smart militaries like to give a career track to becoming an officer for them to infuse ground experience amongst the cadre. India has only begun that off late.

Your each and every point opens up a pandora's box and therefore needs a separate treatment...
That is very valid point. Army does provide enough chances for desrving soldiers and NCO to jump up the ladder but unlike CPF without resrvation and strictly based on merit.

Army has following entry schemes for soldiers and NCO to be officers -

ACC - written examination and SSB, four years training and direct commission.
RC - Called Regimental Commission.... based on interviews, SSB and short training to serve as officers upto age of officers retirement.
SL Commission - for educated and qualified NCO to perform specialist officers job, in store and logistics and engineering Service..
Engineering Diploma = for NCOs of Corps of Engineers to function as JEs.

Entry level of all soldiers now is 10th standards but most of them are 12th pass or graduates - all are free to appear for ACC which goes under subscribed each year.

Well, Army does not make their NCO the "Jabardast Officers" based on reservation like CPFs to fart on officers cots.

 

[Bhadra]

Guys please refrain from debating things outside the ambit of Special Forces.

That is a better suggestion.... this thread has been reduced to a general thread.

However stupid and baseless issues mostly raised deliberately must be resolved even if it is SF thread... unless there is a policy to use this as Anti - Defence Forces plateform to bash up the so called "generals'.... and officers in the name of " army officer's son..." I doubt that.... absolute profanity.

 

[Bhadra]

1. In the army the teeth to tail ratio is rather woeful. The military has been used as an employment exchange than one where you have a precision tool for operation. You have Jawans being used as servants by Officers. I am from an Officer family and seen absolute wastage of manpower this way. This also affects morale.

Add to this convoluted procurement procedures where the average downtime is 7 years. Fast Track Procurement is launched for induction in 2 years and if lobby starts bitching then even that is delayed to 4 years.

The backbone of the Army is it's NCOs. Smart militaries like to give a career track to becoming an officer for them to infuse ground experience amongst the cadre. India has only begun that off late.

So Yes, we have massive surplus in non combat non essential personnell. This could be resolved by shifting some Officers (deputation/post tenure) and Jawans to Territorial Army to keep reserves ready. Simultaneously use IGNOU and industry placements and deputations to allow for civilian career progression.

2. You average SOF team is ideally self contained for days at a time. These 'Rambos' demonstrate peak human (male) performance for combat operations. Since special forces training is somewhat standardized across professional armies, what makes the difference is gear. Rather than using SOF as super infantry, they must be used as instruments of policy and military projection.

SOF often develop and refine gear in conjunction with industry. Until recently India had no private domestic military complex to speak of. We had a govt. dinosaur called OFB who had 0 initiative to innovate.

Based on images of SOF that have appears in 2019 and early 2020, the equipment is being standardized to western ones. We are following a similar strategy as with the Russians. Upgrading in rapid increments until your average operator has a loadout equivalent to contemporary ones.

However the bone of contention is to anticipate upcoming technologies and develop industry to meet the challenge. Curbing the nefarious activities of NGOs and activist scum who want to weaken our forces by legal intervention via schemes like women in combat roles, reservation in armed forces, syndication of military contracts, etc must also be seen to.

All in all I expect atleast 1-2 years before you see Indian SOF to be at par with Western ones.

Most of your points at best are half cocked prejudices rather than based on solid facts...

 

[ezsasa]

That is a better suggestion.... this thread has been reduced to a general thread.

However stupid and baseless issues mostly raised deliberately must be resolved even if it is SF thread... unless there is a policy to use this as Anti - Defence Forces plateform to bash up the so called "generals'.... and officers in the name of " army officer's son..." I doubt that.... absolute profanity.

If I may suggest...

A non-topical discussion can be moved to a chit-chat thread by copying the quote and pasting in the chit chat thread along with the reply. And continue the discussion there.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Most of your points at best are half cocked prejudices rather than based on solid facts...

Either retort factually or admit you were wrong, respectfully. This is a forum afterall and not a YouTube comment section.

 

[vampyrbladez]

U don't need to trim off a huge chunk u will have to prioritize procurement based on theatres and terrain.
We can trim our standing army to 1 million exact and do just fine.
If the money used to buy expensive imports can be diverted for indigenous production then we can keep both the money and manpower intact within the nation
Think about it each Rafale we buy adds to the French ecnomy versus each Tejas we buy adds to the Indian Economy. The money circulates in our borders.

The money wasted on Sig and Ak guns could have been saved had the OFB gotten it's shit together.
The size isn't the biggest issue the management is.
What if tomorrow we cut down our size to 0.5 million and continue importing from outside and handing over shitty boots and rifles made in OFB.
Laying off competent men for the mistake made by babus isn't the right way in my opinion.

Think about It, was it the soldier's fault when they lost their life because of INSAS shitty boots and Equipment.
OFB should have been held accountable for the quality of the rifle they manufacture after the war.
But no lets lay off soldiers we clearly don't have enough money to properly arm them.

We can't give decent rifles in soldiers hand when they are alive but will put them in overpriced coffins when they are dead and that too which are imported from America.
Absolute disgusting!

The coffin thing is overrated Shekhar Gupta propaganda.

Even US Army/Marines buy Sig P320 pistols, APC 9K SMG, M416 (HK416), M110A2 (HK417), Sig .338 LMG, etc.

You either produce decent gear or the armed forces will buy from outside.

Now after CAG found lapses in rucksacks made by OFB, orders are going to private firms. Days of OFB monopoly bare numbered!

https://theprint.in/defence/cag-pul...ce-shortage-of-snow-boots-goggles/359083/?amp

https://m.economictimes.com/news/de...-the-indian-army/amp_articleshow/72057970.cms

 

[Bhadra]

1.
Thus we need to 'right size' units and move some to TA. Money saved on salaries and pensions by reducing recruitment can be used for desperately needed capital acquisition.

The issue can not be solved by wearing miniskirts made out of a lahanga. How much and how best can one tinker with organisation that has eveolved over years. Solution like TA is not need and task orinted.

We have to look at the issue at Macro level and find an answer how can we maintain and and run a thirty division force ? The issue is of national importance and solutions have to be found at that level only.

Today we have about a thousand battalion strong CPF. Why should they be allowed to recruit directly when a constable has to spend his life on Indo Pak or Indo - Bangladesh or Tibatan or Nepal borders. They are required to perform a semi military role. Then why should that manpower not be routed properly through Army. Army recruits, trains, makes a soldier under go five years military service and then transfer him to CPF.

This will also solve pension burdon issue. When a soldier is transferred to CPF he is under NPS scheme regime and retires without any pension burdon to GOI. Similarly, why can not a CRPF or ITBP officer initially serve in the Army in their field infantry units ? What is special about them ??

Since a Police constable retires at ages beyond 54, all problems of managing ex servicemen, pension , young retirement age etc will be sorted out.

CPF have bloated from ten battalions to thousand battalions but we are crying hoarse about Army. Fine there may be their requirement but let us use that manpower in a fruitful and economic manner for the good of the country.

The Armed manpower under Union of India must be seen and viewed as a single Macro issue rather than singling out Army to poke the Generals. The empire building carried out by Indian bureaucracies at every level must be ruthlessly curbed in consultation and cooperation with each other. Higher bureaucracy must not be allowed to make a fool of our political bosses and that needs cabale political leadership.

 

[Bhadra]

1.
Jawans are treated like servants in some Officers homes. Your average soldier doesn't sign up to wash clothes, cook vegetables and walk madam's dog. An expose was conducted recently and it led to a jawan killing himself out of fear of retribution.

One world answer - Upbringing of an officer.

That is not at all a universal phenomenon. All good units teach their young officers dignity of the soldiers. All good officers grow up in units along with their soldiers in a manner an SF officer grows up with his buddy - eating with him, training with him, in water with him, in air with him and in blood with him. All good infantry units would also make their young officers grow up like that, That officer can never mistreat his soldiers.

All good officers teach their wives and children about rightful behaviour and conduct with the soldiers.

Most important question - Quality of intake ? The quality has be assessed based on all social, education and moral aptitude factors.

This is an internal issue to the Army and they have a find a right answer to it.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Why did not you clear that in the very beginning. That would have saved me lot of nonsensical efforts, foul mouthings and a bad press coupled with a bad mood.

OK find me roles and tasks for SF comparable to SAS or American SFs and we will vigorously campaign for all moons in universe to be given to our SF. You are here in a situation where a huge elephant like those Security Guards in NSG tout themselves to be some super novas but fart in Delhi for 35 years without any operations.

So far. our SFs are indeed super infantry which remained under all false notions of six foot tall and 40 km run culture for a long time and no one has expanded their roles and task envelops. Tell all Army commanders what all you can do or intend to do and they will resize and re - equip the SFs accordingly. Where is the problem.


I ask you , how many intelligence led operations our SF have conducted under DGMI and how many Gaji Baba or Sayeed Salahuddin and LeT or JM heads have you brought from deep inside Pakistan by conducting SF ops?? Why did we not kill Prabhakaran in a month inspite of one lord Dik Shit sitting on the head of SFs ? Why did we had to loose so many brave men when someone was supplying weapons to Prabhakaran? Why have those idiots like Isac Chisi or Muivah or Khaplang , not even Hansi Tangkhuls been caught under their mistress's beds ?

So if you have no role and task to mount Osama kill operations why should any one give you resources. We live in an environment and a country where a small insignificant unit like TSD raised by VK Singh shakes all RAW and RIPES and a traitor journalist shakes establishment with Coup mongerings.

But things might be changing and be ready and have patience :

धीरे-धीरे रे मना, धीरे सब कुछ होय, माली सींचे सौ घड़ा, ॠतु आए फल होय।

Look for all improvement like true SF and shed strong prevalent tendency of Agra Unionism, empire building dreams and narrow constricted views. Show and prove you are the best rather than beating a drum about it.

Above all rise above remaining only SF .... Generalship involves much more than that.

The issue can not be solved by wearing miniskirts made out of a lahanga. How much and how best can one tinker with organisation that has eveolved over years. Solution like TA is not need and task orinted.

We have to look at the issue at Macro level and find an answer how can we maintain and and run a thirty division force ? The issue is of national importance and solutions have to be found at that level only.

Today we have about a thousand battalion strong CPF. Why should they be allowed to recruit directly when a constable has to spend his life on Indo Pak or Indo - Bangladesh or Tibatan or Nepal borders. They are required to perform a semi military role. Then why should that manpower not be routed properly through Army. Army recruits, trains, makes a soldier under go five years military service and then transfer him to CPF.

This will also solve pension burdon issue. When a soldier is transferred to CPF he is under NPS scheme regime and retires without any pension burdon to GOI. Similarly, why can not a CRPF or ITBP officer initially serve in the Army in their field infantry units ? What is special about them ??

Since a Police constable retires at ages beyond 54, all problems of managing ex servicemen, pension , young retirement age etc will be sorted out.

CPF have bloated from ten battalions to thousand battalions but we are crying hoarse about Army. Fine there may be their requirement but let us use that manpower in a fruitful and economic manner for the good of the country.

The Armed manpower under Union of India must be seen and viewed as a single Macro issue rather than singling out Army to poke the Generals. The empire building carried out by Indian bureaucracies at every level must be ruthlessly curbed in consultation and cooperation with each other. Higher bureaucracy must not be allowed to make a fool of our political bosses and that needs cabale political leadership.

One world answer - Upbringing of an officer.

That is not at all a universal phenomenon. All good units teach their young officers dignity of the soldiers. All good officers grow up in units along with their soldiers in a manner an SF officer grows up with his buddy - eating with him, training with him, in water with him, in air with him and in blood with him. All good infantry units would also make their young officers grow up like that, That officer can never mistreat his soldiers.

All good officers teach their wives and children about rightful behaviour and conduct with the soldiers.

Most important question - Quality of intake ? The quality has be assessed based on all social, education and moral aptitude factors.

This is an internal issue to the Army and they have a find a right answer to it.

1. NSG was used during 26/11 and Pathankot AFB attack.

R&AW fucked up in Lanka. They snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

2. CPF other than some decent units like CRPF COBRA, ITBP, BSF and AR are glorified milita. They act as buffer to first wave of enemy to give Army units time to move into position.

Ironically they are better equipped than many army units as well totting X-95 MTAR and MX4 Storm Carbines while Army uses INSAS.

Budget comes under MHA so there's that. I do like the NPS thing but it might cause a massive outcry. Reducing recruitment over the span of 5-7 years is much better. Even USMC is doing so to raise money for deep upgrades.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...g-tanks-howitzers-in-favor-of-drones-missiles

I advocate merely for reducing some manpower and not material strength.

3. You see such incidents happen when unit cohesion is failing. If the company is a family, the Officers are the father, JCOs mother, NCOs elder son and Jawans as youngest.

I don't mind the separation of checkout counters at CSD provided same facilities are given to demarcate 'creed' but making soldiers perform domestic duties is
pure humiliation.

When situation goes out of hand you get fragging incidents and shit like this.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cs...er-carried-out-Thailand-s-worst-mass-shooting

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2061BA

 

[Bhadra]

IGNOU courses must be aggressively pushed to allow for lucrative post retirement civilian packages. Industry placements, MBA/PGD courses will also do well.

This a very serious issue if one understands it well. The issue is recognition of various military skills as education and establishing equivalence. We have one of best trained manpower in The Armed Forces but military skills are not recognised as skills and education and no certification system exist for it.

I will give an example. For a civilian say Mountaineering is a very special skill - highly regarded but there is no recognition for a HAWS trained NCO who become a super specialist in mountain Warfare. I remember training TATA young executives in Adventure Courses at HMI Darjeeling as some civilian organisations consider those activities as highly useful in leadership development. But for Army there in no recognition for such skills.

Skills recognition and certification leads to better organisation of skills, further skill development and higher economic activities in civil life. There were many UNESCO approach papers and advisories on that subject. It is a major focus area for our PM, Narendra Modi. However Army seems to be just sleeping over it. The main problem is certification, recognition and establishing equivalance. Indian Babus accept certification only by Indian education system such as universities. Now tell me if Delhi University is capable of testing and certifying skills such as Free Fall, Deep sea Diving, Marksmanship, Sniping, IED expertise etc. etc..

Since there is no certification and recognition of military skills, no equivallance Babus in the system specially MoD Babus have a free run as they do not have to pay for those skill, soldiers are not adequately compensated, their pay is fixed much below their skill capabilities. That suits the Babus and peons of MoD and other civil bureaucracy.

I ask you, an Army officer appears in Part B Exams with four written papers and then Par D Exams with six written papers . Are those not exams ? But what is their equivalent in civil side ? Why should civilian recognise those as having acquired higher level of education ? CPF, All India Services, University teachers etc do not have to go through upgradations exams but still get higher grades.

One Havildar of Army is much more trained and skilled than a police sub inspector but Havildar is paid less and graded less because there is no certification and recognition of his skills.

The issue of certification and establishing equivalence should have been the focal points of the personnel Branches of all Services but they are all waiting for NDU banana to fall down their heads one day.

This has created problems within the Army itself. How can a vehicle fitter be higher skilled than CIJW qualified NCO who acquires much more higher skills .

Here the Services General Ships have failed big time.

 

[vampyrbladez]

This a very serious issue if one understands it well. The issue is recognition of various military skills as education and establishing equivalence. We have one of best trained manpower in The Armed Forces but military sills are not recognised as sikks and education and no certification system exist for it.

I will give an example. For a civilian say Mountaineering is a very special skill - highly regarded but there is recognition for a HAWS trained NCO who become a super specialist in mountain Warfare. I remember training TATA young executives in Adventure Courses at HMI Darjeeling as some civilian organisations consider those activities as highly useful in leadership development. But for Army there in no recognition for such skills.

Skills recognition and certification leads to better organisation of skills, further skill development and higher economic activities in civil life. There were many UNESCO approach papers and advisories on that subject. It is a major focus area for our PM, Narendra Modi. However Army seems to be just sleeping over it. The main problem is certification, recognition and establishing equivalance. Indian Babus accept certification only by Indian education system such as universities. Now tell me if Delhi University is capable of testing and certifying skills such as Free Fall, Deep sea Diving, Marksmanship, Sniping, IED expertise etc. etc..

Since there is no certification and recognition of military skills, no equivallance Babus in the system specially MoD Babus have a free run as they do not have to pay for those skill, soldiers are not adequately comensated, they pay is fixed much below their skill capabilities. That suits the Babus and peons of MoD and other civil bureaucracy.

I ask you, an Army officer appears in Part B Exams with four written papers and then Par D Exams with six written papers . Are those not exams ? But what is their equivalent in civil side ? Why should civilian recognise at as having acquired higher level of education ? CPF, All India Services, University teachers etc do not have to go through upgradations exams still get higher grades.

One Havildar of Army is much more trained and skilled than a police sub inspector but Havildar is paid less and graded less because there is no certification and recognition of his skills.

The issue of certification and establishing equivalence should have been the focal points of the personnel Branches of all Services but they are all waiting for NDU banana to fall down their heads one day.

This has created problems within the Army itself. How can a vehicle fitter be higher skilled than CIJW qualified NCO who acquire much more higher skills .

Here the Services Generalships have failled big time.

I believe a major grievance (lack of pension) of SSC Officers can be met if PGD and MBA courses can be expedited. IIT, IIM, IGNOU and other Govt. streams allow for smooth transition to corporate side. Tax credits to industry employing certain percentage of veterans will be promoted.

Unfortunately the issue of accomodation of veterans is something I have seen first hand. US has a GI Bill that gives you college grant if you serve for some years. Maybe we can do something similar to that.

 

[Tupac slayer]

U have better chance of Finding Uranium then supressor in India
They aren't manufactured in OFB not any private firm so mostly import, that's what I believe.
I hope the thing in his right pouch is a radio and not a knife, there is no reason to believe High command doesn't provide Indivisual Radios to SF soldiers.
We are long way from providing Integrated Com set but a radio shouldn't be that hard.



They tend to reduce power of the bullet in long distance which is most likely why there was no consideration of Supressor here.


It's not even about equipment anymore, it's about prioritie of Indian Administration and Army high command.
Looks like the establishment is too happy to play the cat and mouse game with Pakistan.
Pakis can recruit jahil jehadi and send them for Jihad and no one cares there, but we have a face to save we are answerable to every death on border.
That's what bleedin from a thousand cuts is all about.
There is no pro active approach to Pakistan even with this government and that is reflected in its action
They are better than previous ones but that isn't going to put an end to Pakistan u need more way way more radical approach.

How long do we have to tolerate the hijara army?
Why don't we go full out on these motherfuckers, bomb the Paki ******s so much that their pimp daddy America has to beg for mercy.
We missed our chance during Kargil.


Sorry for the outburst that's why I was avoiding this thread

First of all the strategy of Pakistan is to tie down Indian army reserves, Their strategy is to ensure that Indian Army soldiers are constantly fighting against Pakistan sponsored Terrorists in the valley and are exhausted, Once our soldiers are exhausted, Pakistan will mount Infiltration attempts and do some kargil like situation, Once Pakistan army comes In, Our soldiers have to suddenly orient themselves to conventional war, This orientation is very painful, First of all prolonged exposure to counter terrorist or counter insurgency warfare will make soldiers more vulnerable, https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/09/07/another-war-in-lebanon/

Daniel Byman has clearly stated that prolonged exposure to Palestinian groups based counter terror operations had made Israeli soldiers cozy and they were simply not able to respond to Hezbollah semi conventional warfare, Israel was able to save itself, Only due to their Air force,

We must ensure that Indian army has a whole should be removed from Counter Insurgency and Counter Terrorist operations, I agree that this will take time, But It can start now, Our Special Forces must be used to raid against Pakistan army outposts, Headquarters etc rather than hunting a Jihadi who is not worth of Indian solider life, let us remember that for Pakistan it is a very low cost war giving high returns.

Now let us look at the possible options to counter this threat.

1) Increase the size of Para Military Organizations like BSF and CRPF, make them involved in counter insurgency operations, this will free army and it can focus on conventional warfare

2) Equipment's should be purchased for today's war rather than fighting for tomorrow's war, Infantry, Special Forces who are fighting a daily war with Pakistan in terms of ceasefire violations, cross border raids should be given priority

3) Some of our members like @abingdonboy have suggested to reduce the size of army many times, But my opinion is different, while Pakistan has not reduced its size of its army, we need not do the same,

 

[Ujjain]

Your each and every point opens up a pandora's box and therefore needs a separate treatment...
That is very valid point. Army does provide enough chances for desrving soldiers and NCO to jump up the ladder but unlike CPF without resrvation and strictly based on merit.

Army has following entry schemes for soldiers and NCO to be officers -

ACC - written examination and SSB, four years training and direct commission.
RC - Called Regimental Commission.... based on interviews, SSB and short training to serve as officers upto age of officers retirement.
SL Commission - for educated and qualified NCO to perform specialist officers job, in store and logistics and engineering Service..
Engineering Diploma = for NCOs of Corps of Engineers to function as JEs.

Entry level of all soldiers now is 10th standards but most of them are 12th pass or graduates - all are free to appear for ACC which goes under subscribed each year.

Well, Army does not make their NCO the "Jabardast Officers" based on reservation like CPFs to fart on officers cots.

Sir jee, i had seen atleast 3 jawans from my father's unit who were PhD one of them in history other two in science stream and all of them took discharge and went for really good jobs, atleast one of them is working as a mathematician in a prominent research institute. jawans join army as 12th pass but most of them study and go for higher qualifications now a days. Gone are the days when we use to see barely 10th pass guys. Today army encourages them to study.

 

[Bhadra]

I believe a major grievance (lack of pension) of SSC Officers can be met if PGD and MBA courses can be expedited. IIT, IIM, IGNOU and other Govt. streams allow for smooth transition to corporate side. Tax credits to industry employing certain percentage of veterans will be promoted.

Unfortunately the issue of accomodation of veterans is something I have seen first hand. US has a GI Bill that gives you college grant if you serve for some years. Maybe we can do something similar to that.

Superficial solution to real problems ... There is no dearth of IIM unemployed and low garde paid executives... MBA are by dime a dozen and one can employ an MBA in India for as low as Rs 5000 pm.

Why can not dispensation be given to SCC to appear in All India Service and Class A services in terms of age of entry and say two percent in merit... because in India we are too many and hundreds are ready to jump the fray at present conditions... What is so good with services like IPS. Officers cadres in CPF and Indian Forest service where these SSC officers can be very gainfully employed... give them a chance to compete ... take them through competition. ... just see how they wipe out all in line...

The Civies undoubtedly are very apprehensive about an animal called Army Officers .... and none of them would like anyone near them as then they appears as pygmies.... that is my impression and I might be wrong..

If we were less they would be running after every one to join the Army and pay them four times more... Indian Baudom has exploited that situation like the best Baniyas...

 

[LurkerBaba]

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[LurkerBaba]

@Bhadra @vampyrbladez @WARREN SS @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR

You can continue discussion related to the thread title here

 

[vampyrbladez]

Superficial solution to real problems ... There is no dearth of IIM unemployed and low garde paid executives... MBA are by dime a dozen and one can employ an MBA in India for as low as Rs 5000 pm.

Why can not dispensation be given to SCC to appear in All India Service and Class A services in terms of age of entry and say two percent in merit... because in India we are too many and hundreds are ready to jump the fray at present conditions... What is so good with services like IPS. Officers cadres in CPF and Indian Forest service where these SSC officers can be very gainfully employed... give them a chance to compete ... take them through competition. ... just see how they wipe out all in line...

The Civies undoubtedly are very apprehensive about an animal called Army Officers .... and none of them would like anyone near them as then they appears as pygmies.... that is my impression and I might be wrong..

If we were less they would be running after every one to join the Army and pay them four times more... Indian Baudom has exploited that situation like the best Baniyas...

Ex Defence Officers are in very high demand to their professionalism, discipline and ethos. Compared to a civilian, military Officers are more trustworthy and reliable. Average salary is not less than Rs. 40,000/month which combined with pension is really good.

Young SSC Officers as Admin and Security Officers are also very much in demand. IAF and IN Officers are also in demand as teachers in University.

MBA/PGD will help them break into Corporate roles which will give more employment opportunities. This will screw the IAS big time!

I personally want a Military Industrial Complex where there is a rotating door for Officers/men to join companies and act as advisor, contractors and entrepreneurs.

 

[LurkerBaba]

@south block has been permabanned. I have more free time during the lockdown. Moderation is going to get tougher.

Please don't troll or flame-bait. Let's improve the overall quality of discussion

 

[WARREN SS]

Sorry sir but please bear me..

Everything you said is right but like i brought out this initially and many members have supported my thinking that why so many tanks?

What for do we need so many tanks?

Pakis have a decent Armoured corp i agree but will they have the money to fuel their machines like spare parts,missiles etc..i know they can get oil by bending on their back.

China cannot sustain a long tank battle in a two front war.

So why dont we use that money to fund our troops.


i am seriously thinking of running a campaign and asking for donations from common indian to help us equip our SF.
I am helpless but we Indians can do it.If we get a approval from the govt and the donations help with tax rebates we can fund them in an year to world class standards.

We Need Re organize And Revamp Military Structure from Scratch of this British Era organization

That includes Training,Motto ,operational strategy ,recruitment process ,Size
Roles etc

If We monetize Assets of Army And Land We can generate heavy revenue

All you need To dedicate 5 billion $ for R&D of Infantryman & AFSOD from budget each year(Excluding salaries & Pension cost)