Ifter bluffing a lot, Vhina is once again buying Chopper from Russia.

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China is a great country. They buy 4th generation plane from Russia inspite of having 5th generation planes. They buy S400 eventhough they have HQ1 to HQ100. Now after blufging a lot about Z10 and other choppers, they are going to buy Russian Choppers. This is the quality of Chinese weapons.
 

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China is a great country. They buy 4th generation plane from Russia inspite of having 5th generation planes. They buy S400 eventhough they have HQ1 to HQ100. Now after blufging a lot about Z10 and other choppers, they are going to buy Russian Choppers. This is the quality of Chinese weapons.
maybe, they just want to copy some critical subsystem/ technology like Su27, Su35. Russians are masters at Coaxial rotor technology and these choppers are good for shipborne operations.
 

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Some Chinese military KOL thought it's rumor, the navy version of Ka52 is not ready yet, the ocean radar is tested on it yet. Even if China orders some, it's not a question, the production of Z20, WZ10, WZ9, Z8 is full speed now, but still not enough.

China is a great country. They buy 4th generation plane from Russia inspite of having 5th generation planes. They buy S400 eventhough they have HQ1 to HQ100. Now after blufging a lot about Z10 and other choppers, they are going to buy Russian Choppers. This is the quality of Chinese weapons.
China bought Su35 only with 24, after that didn't order for 5 yrs, maybe it's good for PLAAF and PAF treat it as enchenced version of Su30MKI.

S400 is a long range missile, good to have it as one of many options, we buy first, it also blocks India's purchase somehow, or we also knows the specification of Indian version would transfer to PAF.

Oil and Weapon are the only two stuff Russia would balance the trade with China, it's also a political issue.
 

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Some Chinese military KOL thought it's rumor, the navy version of Ka52 is not ready yet, the ocean radar is tested on it yet. Even if China orders some, it's not a question, the production of Z20, WZ10, WZ9, Z8 is full speed now, but still not enough.



China bought Su35 only with 24, after that didn't order for 5 yrs, maybe it's good for PLAAF and PAF treat it as enchenced version of Su30MKI.

S400 is a long range missile, good to have it as one of many options, we buy first, it also blocks India's purchase somehow, or we also knows the specification of Indian version would transfer to PAF.

Oil and Weapon are the only two stuff Russia would balance the trade with China, it's also a political issue.
China is also planning to buy Su 57.
 

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Some Chinese military KOL thought it's rumor, the navy version of Ka52 is not ready yet, the ocean radar is tested on it yet. Even if China orders some, it's not a question, the production of Z20, WZ10, WZ9, Z8 is full speed now, but still not enough.



China bought Su35 only with 24, after that didn't order for 5 yrs, maybe it's good for PLAAF and PAF treat it as enchenced version of Su30MKI.

S400 is a long range missile, good to have it as one of many options, we buy first, it also blocks India's purchase somehow, or we also knows the specification of Indian version would transfer to PAF.

Oil and Weapon are the only two stuff Russia would balance the trade with China, it's also a political issue.
You do understand you are getting downgraded Su 35 and S 400 . 🙂

The question of Batmunchers providing blah blah... Info to Porks abt it is silly at best.

Your choppers include copy of Dauphine and wannabe blackhawk.. they are in noway near around russian Ka 52 ..... That's a fact.
 

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Some Chinese military KOL thought it's rumor, the navy version of Ka52 is not ready yet, the ocean radar is tested on it yet. Even if China orders some, it's not a question, the production of Z20, WZ10, WZ9, Z8 is full speed now, but still not enough.



China bought Su35 only with 24, after that didn't order for 5 yrs, maybe it's good for PLAAF and PAF treat it as enchenced version of Su30MKI.

S400 is a long range missile, good to have it as one of many options, we buy first, it also blocks India's purchase somehow, or we also knows the specification of Indian version would transfer to PAF.

Oil and Weapon are the only two stuff Russia would balance the trade with China, it's also a political issue.
Ah so we forced you to buy billions dollars worth of Russian weapons lol. What will u transfer to PAF lol 😂 both s400 and su 30 mki are different from baseline versions considering the relationship of India and Russia. Keep buying.
 

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I don't understand something; the Ka-52 Aligator is an old platform from the 90s. It is versatile and all, no doubt about its capabilities, but why the heck is PLA buying it when it has brand new Z-10s?
The Ka-52K is significantly heavier than China's indigenous Z-10 helicopter, which has a maximum take-off weight of around 7 tonnes. As the Ka-52K weighs around 12 tonnes, it can carry a heavier payload of weapons and also more armor to protect the crew from enemy fire.

Plus, the early variants of the Z-10 were believed to be incapable of carrying a heavy weapons load due to the poor performance of their WZ-9 engines. Some reports claimed the inadequate engine performance was one of the reasons why Pakistan rejected the Z-10 in favor of the Turkish-built T-129 attack helicopter. The WZ-9 engine is believed to have a power output of 1,300HP, nearly half the 2,500HP capacity of the Klimov VK-2500 engines that power the Ka-52K.
 

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I don't understand something; the Ka-52 Aligator is an old platform from the 90s. It is versatile and all, no doubt about its capabilities, but why the heck is PLA buying it when it has brand new Z-10s?
Because Z10 is a shit and China is unable to operate it in Himalayas and faces multiple problem because of very poor T/W ratio. They have deployed them against India in Himalaya and and over 2/3rd are facing quality issues because of poor operating capabilities. This is the real quality of China. They sell their weapons to Idiot countries like Pakistan and purchase weapons from Russia. Their J 20 is an another shit which forced china to buy forth generation Su 35 from Russia inspite of having fifth generation plane. They buy forth generation planes, BMDs, Submarines and Choppers from Russia. Tiny Gripen C humiliated Chinese J 16 in BVR combat with over 30 sorties in which J 16 could not win even a single combat.
 
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The Ka-52K is significantly heavier than China's indigenous Z-10 helicopter, which has a maximum take-off weight of around 7 tonnes. As the Ka-52K weighs around 12 tonnes, it can carry a heavier payload of weapons and also more armor to protect the crew from enemy fire.

Plus, the early variants of the Z-10 were believed to be incapable of carrying a heavy weapons load due to the poor performance of their WZ-9 engines. Some reports claimed the inadequate engine performance was one of the reasons why Pakistan rejected the Z-10 in favor of the Turkish-built T-129 attack helicopter. The WZ-9 engine is believed to have a power output of 1,300HP, nearly half the 2,500HP capacity of the Klimov VK-2500 engines that power the Ka-52K.
Z10 can not lift over 500 kg beyond 10000 ft because of weaker engine and Heavy weight. It has more than double the weight of ALH yet has a weaker engine than ALH. So its power to weight ration less than half of ALH. How can it mess with ALH in Himalaya? It is a little bit useful low level flight for ground attack. After realizing the uselessness of Z 10 in Himalaya against India, China decided to go for Ka 52 chopper of Russia. India was offered the same but it lost to Appache in technical evaluation.
 

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