If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan...

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The major problem that the Chinese will be facing is the Tibetian and the Uighur unrest. This will most probably keep the Chinese offensive limited. The Chinese cannot risk a boiling Tibet and keep fighting India at the same time.
 

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The likelihood of a Sino Indian war is remote since it will have global repercussions. It will not be bilateral.

It is a moot point if any side will use their strategic missiles. It is no secret that China’s attempts at superpower status are not to liking of the US or Russia (does not appreciate China’s growing clout in the CARs) and they would only be seeking opportunities to thwart or retrograde China’s race to superpower status.

The US is driving hard to develop its ‘strategic relationship’ with major players around the Indian Ocean Rim like India as also with countries that border China as was seen in the keen interest the US developed in Nepal. The aim is obvious, in that, China has restricted use of the Indian Ocean, notwithstanding China’s String of Pearls strategy, as also girdle China with pro US, or at least neutral countries.

In addition, these strategic relationships, by having joint exercises etc, it is increasing the threshold for China where she will have to divert much finances to upgrade her weaponry and strategic arsenal at the expense of her more important issues such as development of the rural sector since there is already signs of unrest in the rural areas because of the economic disparity. There is also disquiet over the economic imbalance between the coastal areas and the interior. In addition, the ethnic issues in Tibet and Xinjiang are serious issues for China in its path to Han-ise these areas. Hence, it is to US’ interest to keep the economic and ethnic cauldron boiling over and divert finances and energy to these non productive impediments to her quest for superpower status. It is the same tactics that brought the USSR down. Up the ante and enter into an economic and weapon race, create poverty and unrest thus, and let the adversary collapse. It is true that the US and the world is in a recession, but the advantage the US has is that it controls the world economy as also the western countries are united in their strategic pursuits. Thus, the western world vs China.

Given these issues, China is shrewd enough to realise war with anyone is not in her interest. Likewise, India is keen to modernise and is attempting to minimise the gap in social and economic wellbeing of its population. Therefore, India, too, will have going to war as its last priority.

However, should war come, no strategic missiles will be used for reasons mentioned earlier. I would prefer not to get into the details for obvious reasons. At best, the war will be confined to the border areas. I would even discount this, since a border war is of no advantage in strategic terms and so it would be a waste in lives and would also affect the modernisation that both countries are aiming at, since finances will be drained in such a fruitless war.

In such a war, China will be more disadvantaged than India, since access to the Indian Ocean will be blocked and China survives on oil. China is aware of this disadvantage and to offset this, they are building a overland pipeline from Gwadar in Pakistan along the KKH into Xinjiang and to hinterland China. That apart, China has a pipeline in the works direct from the oilfields of CAR to Xinjiang and into China. China is actively wooing the Arab oil producing nations so that the access to Gulf oil is guaranteed through the Gwadar port and the overland pipeline from there. However, should a war start, it is a moot point if the US influence on the Arab nations will not work.

In such a war, Pakistan will play a key role for China. From the Chinese standpoint, it would assist her war effort if India is negated from switching a part of her western forces to the East and into Ladakh. The role Pakistan will have to play so that India’s western forces are tied down. Economically, Pakistan is, however, in no position to sustain such a war since her economy is staying afloat on IMF and WB money. If Pakistan does enter this war, she will keel over economically and there will be total unrest amongst the poorer sections of society.

However, there is a catch here in Pakistan’s entering a war to support China. Should Pakistan attack India in conjunction with China, the US will walk into NWFP on some pretext or the other and it could lead to cessation by the Pathans as also the Balochis (the Balochis are more active in their demand for autonomy and even independence. Such a situation will be ideal for the US since it is to US’ advantage to ‘liberate’ Balochistan so as to pressurise Iran from both flanks (Iraq and Balochistan). It will also ensure that the Chinese presence in Gwadar is removed and thereby nullifying the Chinese advantage of using it to ‘listen’ into the electronic and other activities of the US forces in the Gulf.

With all these problems Pakistan is having with the Taliban, there is unrest in complete Pakistan. The Jiyo Sindh movement, the Balwaristan movement can also queer the pitch and there will be total and uncontrollable havoc. The hatred towards the Punjabis in Pakistan by all other communities is legend.

Likewise, a war with India, would also put China in a spot since it would give the Tibetan and Uighur separatists a field day!!

Therefore, a war by China on India is a very remote possibility in my opinion.


In the event it does happen, India is capable of taking on a two front war.
 

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As I had mentioned before which was deleted by mods? That it is in china' s intreast to resolve all issues with India and return back all illigal ocupations and stop claiming AP. Her nexus with pak is immature and short sighted. I mean Friendship with pak at the cost of India or to use pak friendship for destructive means will result in Chinese downfall for sure. The demage is been done RAY sir. China is misusing pak by feeding her anti India flame. They are bullying India with nukes. The war is inevitable if the trend remains the same for few more years. Let's talk about the scenario here.
 

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Our demand should be that China should forgo Tibet. Create unrest and forment internal trouble for them. If they move nuke'em. They have already showed their intent by giving nuclear weapons to Pakistan.
 
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Indians dont use S-300 first of all, we have our derivaties of Arrow-2 system, The very best. It doesnt matter wether it is 1 megaton or 15 kilo ton, 5 Agni-3 on Beijing will make it a glass bowl.
Er no.... a 15 kT nuke is puny. It's a battlefield weapon. Against a city it will destroy everything within 684 meters radius.

A 1 megaton weapon will destroy everything within 2.7 kilometers.

India doesn't have Agni-III, maybe in 8 or 10 years. Even Agni-II is still being tested by the army. And Agni-II can hit maybe Lhasa (if not already destroyed since it is bulky and not very mobile).

India does use S-300. Arrow-2 is only for poor country's ballistic missiles. It doesn't work against aircraft, cruise missiles or China's mach 6 SRBMs.


The Tech difference between the Indian Airforce and PLAAF is so huge, that it isnt even funny.
Oh you got that right :wink:


The major problem that the Chinese will be facing is the Tibetian and the Uighur unrest. This will most probably keep the Chinese offensive limited. The Chinese cannot risk a boiling Tibet and keep fighting India at the same time.
LOL. A few criminals back home is not going to stop PLA's army advance.
 
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In such a war, China will be more disadvantaged than India, since access to the Indian Ocean will be blocked and China survives on oil. China is aware of this disadvantage and to offset this, they are building a overland pipeline from Gwadar in Pakistan along the KKH into Xinjiang and to hinterland China. That apart, China has a pipeline in the works direct from the oilfields of CAR to Xinjiang and into China. China is actively wooing the Arab oil producing nations so that the access to Gulf oil is guaranteed through the Gwadar port and the overland pipeline from there. However, should a war start, it is a moot point if the US influence on the Arab nations will not work.
China has strategic oil reserves. The oil price plummet since mid 2008 has been great for China.

We will have enough aviation fuel to maintain air superiority to allow our armored formations to air drop and strangle Indian logistics from behind.

India cannot hide behind the Himalayas anymore. You are used to thinking China is so far away and we cannot really strike at you. So you think you can do things that harm our interests. But now we have a modern air force and we can cross the Himalayas and strike at will.
 

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China has strategic oil reserves. The oil price plummet since mid 2008 has been great for China.

We will have enough aviation fuel to maintain air superiority to allow our armored formations to air drop and strangle Indian logistics from behind.

India cannot hide behind the Himalayas anymore. You are used to thinking China is so far away and we cannot really strike at you. So you think you can do things that harm our interests. But now we have a modern air force and we can cross the Himalayas and strike at will.
Air superiority is difficult for PLA-AF, they are not modern enough or large enough, the air lift capability of PLA is not sufficient to attack a small island let alone dropping troops behind enemy lines and providing them supply, this when the enemy has almost all its supply will be akin to sending them off to jump off a cliff.

How will a AF with planes that show up on radar and EW systems that have not proven themselves in any war gain superiority over another AF with same generation equipment?

And how can anyone be ignorant enough to talk of airdropping armour behind enemy lines.
While you are at it, you might as well airdrop a arms and ammunition factory begind enemy lines.
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China has strategic oil reserves. The oil price plummet since mid 2008 has been great for China.
Strategic oil reserves will absolutely nothing when NO SHIPS go to China.

We will have enough aviation fuel to maintain air superiority to allow our armored formations to air drop and strangle Indian logistics from behind.
Air Superiority with those rust buckets. Really.
What do you think we are. Armoured Formations over High altitude, Vietnam gave you bashing , you think we will sit around, this is not 1962 son nor is this nehru and his cronies.

India cannot hide behind the Himalayas anymore. You are used to thinking China is so far away and we cannot really strike at you. So you think you can do things that harm our interests. But now we have a modern air force and we can cross the Himalayas and strike at will.
India is hiding, really. We have sitting on land you claimed by you for 50 years , Come get it. Make my day and let me make Bejing a Glassbowl.
 

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Air superiority is difficult for PLA-AF, they are not modern enough or large enough, the air lift capability of PLA is not sufficient to attack a small island let alone dropping troops behind enemy lines and providing them supply, this when the enemy has almost all its supply will be akin to sending them off to jump off a cliff.

How will a AF with planes that show up on radar and EW systems that have not proven themselves in any war gain superiority over another AF with same generation equipment?

And how can anyone be ignorant enough to talk of airdropping armour behind enemy lines.
While you are at it, you might as well airdrop a arms and ammunition factory begind enemy lines.
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All this while you didnt say about our capacity in the area. Shoot out of their airforce is going to be like the Israeli's shot out the Egyptians. 100 to 3 or something.
 

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PLA has hundreds of 4th generation fighters than India. India has around 30 4th generation fighters (MKI only).
Sammy, I hate to spoil your party, but 98 MKIs are in service... and you're grossly underestimating the Mirage-2000s... they are 4th generation too...
 

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Er no.... a 15 kT nuke is puny. It's a battlefield weapon. Against a city it will destroy everything within
Erm, India's highest tested weapon size is 40KT, and we will be raining them on you.

India doesn't have Agni-III, maybe in 8 or 10 years. Even Agni-II is still being tested by the army. And Agni-II can hit maybe Lhasa (if not already destroyed since it is bulky and not very mobile).
Really. OMG, WOW. You know how easy it is jerry rig for a country which sends satellites, Moreover We are talking about Agni-5 here already, Agni-3 will be operational in 2 years time. Come and get your land now chicom

India does use S-300. Arrow-2 is only for poor country's ballistic missiles. It doesn't work against aircraft, cruise missiles or China's mach 6 SRBMs.
hahah.


Oh you got that right :wink:
how did you get the EP-3 again, yup by crashing into it.lol
 

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India has around 30 4th generation fighters (MKI only).


Somebody stop this GREAT FELLOW... please. Mods please help us from this crap.
Before we lose our sanity.
 

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PLA has hundreds of 4th generation fighters. India has around 30 4th generation fighters (MKI only).




Right now, China has minimal heavy air lift. But our heavy and medium transports will enter service soon. Once that happens, India won't be able to hide behind the Himalayas anymore.
J-10 is fourth gen, hahaha, so is your SU-30MKK with those N-001 Radar, Hey nitwit we threw those radars away 10-years ago, we are here talking about AESA, Irbis and we are operational with N-011M Radar, The most powerful Russian Radar on existence.
 
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Strategic oil reserves will absolutely nothing when NO SHIPS go to China, you idiot.
LOL. Once the war is over, ships will return to China. Strategic oil reserves will be enough for us to finish the war.

Erm, India's highest tested weapon size is 40KT, and we will be raining them on you.
India never weaponized 40 kT. Biggest existing warhead is 15 kT. We have 1 megaton and above. Who wins?
 

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LOL. Once the war is over, ships will return to China. Strategic oil reserves will be enough for us to finish the war.



India never weaponized 40 kT. Biggest existing warhead is 15 kT. We have 1 megaton and above. Who wins?
I want to ask how you know which is the highest capacity warheads in existence in the Indian arsenal ???

Are you the Department of Atomic Energy's consultant and advice them on which capacities to weaponise ???
 

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sammy please take in to consideration the Geographic locations what your talking about the Himalyan mountains are one of the Highest in the world and to fly over the "Hump" puts a lot of stress on the man and mechiens the qustion is wather you can fly the IL76's and J-11's Over the Hump and please do not under estimate us we might be small and punny compared to you but please for Mao's sake look at history what did the USSR get in afghanistan ??? or the US in Nam so if you want a chinies Vietnam please go a head
 

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LOL. Once the war is over, ships will return to China. Strategic oil reserves will be enough for us to finish the war.
You will loose money and oil, son when there is no economy activity at all. It is a geo-strategical positioning. Technologically speaking we are far ahead of you in so many fields, its not even funny. Dont kill yourself using those rustbuckets.
Finish the war, Without making Beijing a glass bowl. Good luck with that.

India never weaponized 40 kT. Biggest existing warhead is 15 kT. We have 1 megaton and above. Who wins?
Actually No. Also Indians have enough warheads and missiles, to make a china a wasteland for so many centuries to come.

We have access to Supercomputers you cant even dream off. Not those Chinese tricycles that you make and claim fastest ones in the world, the real stuff.
 
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I want to ask how you know which is the highest capacity warheads in existence in the Indian arsenal ???

Are you the Department of Atomic Energy's consultant and advice them on which capacities to weaponise ???
India never did a fusion test. It only did fission. That's how strategic analysts around the world know that India's warheads are low yield.
 

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~100 MKI + 50 (very outdated, decrepit) Mirage ??

China has hundreds of 4th generation fighters -- J-10s and flankers. It's not even a close match.
Those Flankers who were so obselete, that we told Russia take them back and they sold to Belarus. And those Lavi's with those shitty Chinese toy avionics and radar. The best radar access China has to is N-001 Radar, which we replaced 10 years ago, 10 years ago.
 

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India never did a fusion test. It only did fission. That's how strategic analysts around the world know that India's warheads are low yield.
India did a Thermonuclear test, and not to mention continues to do so on Super computers with far higher capacities than you lot can ever dream off.

Now post more so the CCP will give you more Yuans.
 

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