If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan...

[prohumanity]

Re: If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan

I think this assumption that China-Paki will be on one side against India is a foolish and ignorant mind's thought. It might be true that some western country has a wishful thinking that India and China will be enemies and that opportunist country will benefit from this rivalry. Note my words...India and China will never go to war with each other...they will be more and more connected by trade and cultural exchanges. This pipedream of pitting these two giants against each other is going to fail. World is changing fast...old divide and conquer policy is not going to work in 21 st century. As for Paki....hold your breath...its impoding infront of our eyes...becoming useless for any nation to be used against major nations.

 

[Hari Sud]

Re: If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan

Dream on "prohumanity"

There are no permanent political dictums or political philosophies. It is not uncommon to exploit each rivals political disadvantages. War is fought in several ways. The shooting war of 1962 went in Chinese favor. War today would not favor the Chinese. Chinese are mindful of destruction they may suffer in any war hence they would not fight one.

On the other hand Chinese would exploit any political or economic advantage in the Indian Ocean to surround the latter with enemies. India about 20 years late would exploit any political and economic advantage in the South China Sea including Vietnam, Phillipines, Japan and Korea.

Hence Chinese are counter balanced.

A shooting war across the Himalayas would quickly become as a disadvantage to China as India blocks the oil and trade shipping lines in the Indian Ocean. Then Chinese would restore to nuclear intimidation. A counter Intimidation by India will halt any nuclear posture Chinese adopt. India would not wish New Delhi to be nuked and Chinese would not wish Peking to be nuked in return. Hence there is no pint of fighting a shooting war across the Himalayas. All Chinese advantages of 1962 have been balanced. Even a limited war which India wishes to have in the Arunachal Pradesh of the 1962 type with the Chinese troops in Tibet is a disaster for them. Chinese would not have a walkover of the type in 1962, hence their hype and might of invincibility would be severely crippled. That would help India regain its military pride which it lost in 1962.

So it is fool hardy to believe that Chinese would not attempt a limited war across the Himalayas. It is loose, loose, loose for the Chinese, hence they may hold off and retain their pride intact. Start a war and loose it all.

 

[sgarg]

Re: If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan

I predict that two front war will not happen.

A India - Pakistan war is certain before 2020. China has other pre-occupations in this time-frame that will make its involvement in India/Pakistan war very unlikely.

India should focus on economic and cultural integration with China. China has many cultural similarities with India despite its very different language. India will do well to organize a lot of cultural events in China to make more Chinese appreciate Indian culture. The hate comes due to ignorance of other cultures. The ignorance must be removed.

A India/China war will be very costly for India and must be avoided.

 

[sgarg]

Re: If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan

China is an aggressive country. It is not that it is only aggressive with India. It is aggressive with all countries it deals with. I can bet 90% of Pakistanis do not like Chinese.

The Tibet issue cannot be resolved by India. India has taken a policy of non-interference in Tibet issue which is right policy.

As long as India keeps clear of Tibet, China will not mount too much pressure in North-east. The situation may not be too friendly but it will not become too hostile either.

 

[sgarg]

Re: If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan

I think the Ladakh situation has to do with something between Modi and Xi conversations. Modi is a strong willed person and this is the first time China is dealing with a strong Indian Prime Minister.

The situation will eventually settle down as military confrontation is not right for China either. China has superior forces no doubt and can win a war in Ladakh, but that does not give China any strategic advantage in the bigger picture. India has a lot of leverage specially in the Indian Ocean region which is a far bigger problem for China.

China has moved to supply Pakistan with more ships and subs but Pakistan is boxed by geography. It does not have space to operate.

 

[sgarg]

Re: If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan

I predict that this standoff will dissipate. I am sure diplomats are talking and problems will be resolved.

 

[sgarg]

Re: If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan

I want to add: This is true that the Chinese strategic think-tanks consider India as an adversary. However it is unlikely that China can engage all its adversaries at once. Even if China wants to fight India at some point, that point is a long way off.

China is most comfortable using India's other neighbours as proxies. The biggest and most obvious is Chinese support to Pakistan.

However is Pakistan China's "Israel"??

My deep study of Chinese psyche says that Chinese are not at all similar to Pakistanis. There are fundamental differences between Chinese race and Arab/Turk/Persian strains that are dominant in Pakistan.
While Jews control a large part of commerce in USA, there is hardly any penetration of Pakistanis in China.

This relationship may look strong on surface but can never be strong deep down. It is a marriage of convenience.

China has always been looking for corridors to Indian ocean. It courted Myanmar and Pakistan to provide the corridors. The Pakistan corridor is far more tricky and actually requires India's cooperation to be effective.

The Chinese are aggressive but pragmatic people who understand that India can be defeated in war in the short term but cannot be suppressed. India is too big a target.

I see a Pakistan/India war in the next six years. However I do not see China joining this war except some pressure on the border.

However I warn Indians that the war with Pakistan will be completely unlike past wars. India should be prepared. India should come out of self-delusion. One must always prepare for an all-out war. India will need support of people and industry to be successful.

 

[Kharavela]

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I fail to understand :
1) Why India is not mass producing Su-30 MKI & LCA instead of going for Dassault Rafale ? HAL has license to produce Su-30 MKI & LCA is its own product.
2) Why DRDO is not converting LCA to a highly capable UCAV, operated from Command Centers by experienced Pilots ? Given its size, LCA could be a terrific UCAV & can be rolled out in large numbers. Again no human cost (pilots) would be there in case some UCAV LCA are lost to enemy fire.

NB: If our ISRO scientists can control Mangalyaan from Ground Station at Bangalore, 102 million km away from it, it should be lot easier to control an aircraft (LCA as UCAV) some thousand kms away from Command Center.

If above propositions can be done, I suppose, there would not be much to worry about two-front war with China & Pakistan.

 

[sgarg]

Re: If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan

LCA can be produced at much higher rate than is currently being done. The reasons are many:

a. Lack of interest of the user. The production is driven by demand from the user (IAF and IN). The IAF has projected only a small demand so far of six squadrons.
b. DRDO is very cautious in product development due to heavy criticism from users as well as opposition from other vested interests.
c. HAL is not particularly efficient in its work. The slow absorption of TOT in case of Su-30 project in HAL is a testimony to inefficiency. This affects the production of Tejas. I have said in another thread that it is possible to churn out 15 Tejas per year with the current facilities.
d. Converting of Tejas to UCAV - I think India does not have adequate space assets etc. to direct UCAVs at this time. A better idea is to convert obsolete planes still sitting in storage to UCAVs with limited range. Controlling Mangalyan and controlling UCAV are two different things. Mangalyan can be controlled from ground. UCAV will need space based assets.

 

[lena65923]

Re: If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan

i hate war,w wish the World Peace......

 

[josh67]

Re: If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan

Catastrophic scenario.....:shocked:

 

[jay singh]

Re: If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan

Pakistan will try to use foggy environment of monsoon to master its armored (so we can not use our air superiority against them) on a single point from where they can access in deep of indian lands meanwhile the remaining troops will be held in passiveness to subdue any of our forces attack simultaneously China will Join pakistan from North. together they will try to break our command and control system and thus cripple down our forces and then they will go to bargain with us in a manner mostly benificient for them in umberala of United Nations peaces process

 

[sgarg]

Re: If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan

@jay singh, the largest part of India-Pakistan border is hilly where armored columns are not very meaningful. Other large part is desert where monsoon is not significant. The rest is filled by man-made obstacles (like ditches and canals) built by Pakistan itself.

Any thrust from Pakistan will be infantry led rather than armour led. Pakistani armour will not do well against Indian army and air force. The element of surprise as you envisage is NOT POSSIBLE.

 

[Aravind Sanjeev]

Re: If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan

This is why we should separate US from Pakistan first.

By the way, if this happens, India will have to annex Pakistan and use their military from the other side. If that's not possible, then we will be left with nuclear as the only option left.

 

[no smoking]

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This is why we should separate US from Pakistan first.

India is the most important reason that Americans support Pakistan. As long as India has the capability to dominate south Asian, everyone needs Pakistan.

By the way, if this happens, India will have to annex Pakistan and use their military from the other side. If that's not possible, then we will be left with nuclear as the only option left.

India is not powerful enough to annex Pakistan but Indian forces are powerful enough to defeat Pakistan in any battlefield. Nuclear is Pakistan's only option not India's.

 

[t_co]

Re: If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan

India is the most important reason that Americans support Pakistan. As long as India has the capability to dominate south Asian, everyone needs Pakistan.

Quite true.

India is not powerful enough to annex Pakistan but Indian forces are powerful enough to defeat Pakistan in any battlefield. Nuclear is Pakistan's only option not India's.

Any full-scale Indo-Pak war would turn nuclear within the first 12 hours. China would not get involved unless India attacked China. Should India launch anything China's way as "revenge" for Chinese assistance to Pakistan's nuclear program, China would loose hundreds of megaton-scale warheads on India and probably annex NE India for itself.

Should China remain neutral in the conflict China would most likely act as the designated diplomatic mediator between India and Pakistan, and push for an international settlement to restore the status quo ante bellum. Should India not accept China's peace proposal China would then lean on India while India is in a weakened state with non-military pressure, with the aim of inducing Indian state collapse.

 

[sayareakd]

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Any Indo-pak nuke exchange (with 7-8 Indian top cities nuked) will result in top chinese commerical and industrial heart land and infrastructure nuked. Even if Chinese nuke our every inch. We will make sure Chinese who supportef Pak will pay for it and will never be superpower it dream of.

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

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THE GREAT DRAGON is getting jittery.............

When China claims to be so strong, why do they support the pakistanis?

This clearly shows that China cannot take India HEAD ON.......

 

[PredictablyMalicious]

Re: If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan

India cannot even win a one front war against China. A two front one would be disastrous. It's best to live in peace and grow stronger in times of feast. I doubt India will be able to match China in the next 50 years so going to war with it is one hell of a bad idea.

 

[sayareakd]

Re: If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan

Should China remain neutral in the conflict China would most likely act as the designated diplomatic mediator between India and Pakistan, and push for an international settlement to restore the status quo ante bellum. Should India not accept China's peace proposal China would then lean on India while India is in a weakened state with non-military pressure, with the aim of inducing Indian state collapse.

If we are going down we will take China with us, surely China wont want to go down because of Pakistan.

If 50-60 nukes going mushroom cloud in China is going to take them back to 20-30 years.

Wonder if they can afford that.