If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan...

[Anshu Attri]

IAF inducts second SU-30 squadron in northeast


http://bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=14474


Chabua (Assam), March 1 (IANS) The Indian Air Force Tuesday inducted a second squadron of its frontline Sukhoi-SU30 combat jets in the northeast as part of a strategic deployment of advanced assets close to the Chinese border, an officer said.

A single Su-30 has presently been stationed at the Chabua air base, about 450 km east of Assam's main city of Guwahati, with the strength of the squadron gradually being raised to 18 aircraft.

'The idea is to ensure that the skies and the borders in the east are well protected and secured. The Sukhois can be used for both offensive as well as defensive purposes,' Air Marshal K.K. Nohwar, air officer commanding-in-chief of the Eastern Air Command, told reporters after the formal induction ceremony.

As part of the formal induction, the fighter jet staged an impressive flypast.

The IAF had inducted its first SU-30 squadron at Tezpur in northern Assam in June 2009.

The decision to deploy the Su-30s, the most potent fighter in the IAF inventory, follows repeated instances of Chinese incursions in Arunachal Pradesh in the last few years.

The Tezpur and the Chabua air bases are within striking distance of the India-China border along the mountainous state of Arunachal Pradesh.

According to the defence ministry, there have been about 350 violations by Chinese soldiers in the western, middle and eastern sectors of the border since 2008.

Beijing had in 2003 given up its territorial claim over the Indian state of Sikkim but still maintains that vast stretches of Arunachal Pradesh belong to China.

Arunachal Pradesh shares a 1,030-km unfenced border with China. This frontier is defined by the McMahon Line, a notional boundary that is now known as the Line of Actual Control (LAC). China has never recognised the McMahon Line, and claims 90,000 sq km or almost all of Arunachal Pradesh. India also accuses China of occupying 8,000 sq km in Kashmir.

India and China fought a bitter border war in 1962, with Chinese troops advancing deep into what was then called the North East Frontier Agency (NEFA) and inflicting heavy casualties on Indian troops.

Capable of carrying nuclear weapons and tailor-made for Indian specifications, the Russian designed Su-30 is being manufactured under license by state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). The aircraft was inducted into the IAF in 1997.

'Forty-four Sukhois are being inducted into the IAF, taking the number of the jets to 270,' Nohwar said.

The IAF currently operates six squadrons of the Su-30s, with three stationed at Lohegaon in Pune, two at Bareilly, and one Tezpur. Chabua is the seventh squadron. Each squadron generally comprises 18-20 aircraft.

The Chabua air base was built in 1939 and during World War II was a major supply point for ferrying supplies to allied forces in and around Kunming in China to fight the Japanese. This was known as 'Flying the Hump'.

The Tezpur airfield was constructed in 1942, during the Second World War. It lies between Bhutan, Tibet, China, Myanmar and Bangladesh. Ever since its inception, it has been one of the most active bases in the northeast from where a variety of fixed and rotary wing aircraft have been operating.

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[charmil20091]

I think we can fight with both of them but if other country will also join us in war than it will be very helpful to us.
Jai Hind !

 

[gazi2202]

realistically speaking.... do you really think there is a chance for a major (2 front conflict) in the subcontinent? I dont think any one anywhere is going to allow that. the only driving force behind the world today is business and money. china wouldnt start an armed conflict with india, it would simply cost too much $$$ seeing the growing trade relations between both countries. they are more interested in securing energy sources and trade routes as well as trade markets. Thats what puts $$$ in every ones pockets. this is mainly where india and china will come to disagree with each other (trade, energy and resources and dominance of their back yards)
when it comes to Pakistan, yeah the reasons for conflict are different, but still I doubt conflicts would go any farther than border skirmishes or artillery exchanges (whats new). the present geopolitical situation in the region (pakistani logistical support to nato and us in afghanistan) will prevent either side starting a conflict.

in a situation like this, i think all sides would develop a deterrent military capability (submarines, chinese jets and tanks as well as us drones and f 16's for pakistan) and the continuous development of the indian military from an old soviet style beurocratic force to a more modern efective power. i think this is where things are heading slowly anyways, the pak military is focusing on modernizing everything from its navy and air force, to army and logstics. the indians are doing the same. a couple of hundred su 30's might ward off any one planning to start a war with india, but in no way does it make them a global expiditionary power like the US is.

when it comes to chinese military capabilities, you should remember they focus mainly on heartland china neighborhood, they have japan, south korea, tiawan and US and to some extent russia to deal with all at once, naturally they would have a strong and elaborate military to take care of all those advesories, dont you think? what would you do if the US navy parked the 6th fleet 100 miles off of mumbai ? you also have to remember china is 2X geographically as large and has more than 2X wealth that india has, a larger military is just a side product.

I believe a lot of these military funds in both india and pakistan can be diverted to training and equiping modern police agencies. both nations seem to lack effective policing, and internal threat (not external) is both our largest concerns. there is enough evidence of police corruption and atrocities both sides of the border.

 

[SHASH2K2]

realistically speaking.... do you really think there is a chance for a major (2 front conflict) in the subcontinent? I dont think any one anywhere is going to allow that. the only driving force behind the world today is business and money. china wouldnt start an armed conflict with india, it would simply cost too much $$$ seeing the growing trade relations between both countries. they are more interested in securing energy sources and trade routes as well as trade markets. Thats what puts $$$ in every ones pockets. this is mainly where india and china will come to disagree with each other (trade, energy and resources and dominance of their back yards)
when it comes to Pakistan, yeah the reasons for conflict are different, but still I doubt conflicts would go any farther than border skirmishes or artillery exchanges (whats new). the present geopolitical situation in the region (pakistani logistical support to nato and us in afghanistan) will prevent either side starting a conflict.

in a situation like this, i think all sides would develop a deterrent military capability (submarines, chinese jets and tanks as well as us drones and f 16's for pakistan) and the continuous development of the indian military from an old soviet style beurocratic force to a more modern efective power. i think this is where things are heading slowly anyways, the pak military is focusing on modernizing everything from its navy and air force, to army and logstics. the indians are doing the same. a couple of hundred su 30's might ward off any one planning to start a war with india, but in no way does it make them a global expiditionary power like the US is.

when it comes to chinese military capabilities, you should remember they focus mainly on heartland china neighborhood, they have japan, south korea, tiawan and US and to some extent russia to deal with all at once, naturally they would have a strong and elaborate military to take care of all those advesories, dont you think? what would you do if the US navy parked the 6th fleet 100 miles off of mumbai ? you also have to remember china is 2X geographically as large and has more than 2X wealth that india has, a larger military is just a side product.

I believe a lot of these military funds in both india and pakistan can be diverted to training and equiping modern police agencies. both nations seem to lack effective policing, and internal threat (not external) is both our largest concerns. there is enough evidence of police corruption and atrocities both sides of the border.

After a long time finally some sensible post free from Jingoism . You have raised some valid points and if there is peace between India and Pakistan we both can prosper and use funds properly .But that aint gonna happen with use of terror as states foreign policy . so India has to prepared for worst possible scenario including nuclear one as well.

 

[Sikh_warrior]

India has no worries on the pak front, as it will no longer be there, but exist only in four smaller countries, two of which would be part of the Indian Federation.

let me explain.....

current country of pakistan would break up, giving independence to Balochis, Sindhis and Punjabis. Pashtuns of Afghanistan and pakistan would be given their own country, carved out of Af-Pak.

Sindh and Punjab would be allowed to join indian federation for trade and economical reasons, but will have their own independent govts and security forces.

so we dont need to worry about a 2 front war.

lets catch up with china in terms of economical and military developments. and china is not fool enough to attack india directly. we might have localised border wars with china and nothing else.

once pakistan breaks up, china will give up on pak as it was being used as a counter weight against india.

 

[Iamanidiot]

@Sikh_warrior ji I would prefer to keep the Pakjabi people at an arms length from Indian citizens.They are the scum who are responsible most of our terror woes.Those scum should not be a part of the indian republic atleast the people.I wouldn't mind the land though

 

[Sikh_warrior]

@Sikh_warrior ji I would prefer to keep the Pakjabi people at an arms length from Indian citizens.They are the scum who are responsible most of our terror woes.Those scum should not be a part of the indian republic atleast the people.I wouldn't mind the land though

Praveen saab, you are absolutly right about keeping pakistanis at arms length from indians.

please read my post again....Sindh and Punjab would be allowed to join indian federation for trade and economical reasons, but will have their own independent govts and security forces.


i would advise indian govt to make borders more secure to ensure the inlfux of refugees coming towards india, due to the breakup of pakistan, dont get admitted into india, like the lakhs of bangladeshis living in india since 1971....and still coming in!

and one more thing.....im no lover of pakistanis!

 

[Blackwater]

If India has to go two front war .Iam sorry to say, As Indian, i feel deep pain in saying this, India ki phat jani ha, Untill and unless we precure latest stuff soon.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

If India has to go two front war .Iam sorry to say, As Indian, i feel deep pain in saying this, India ki phat jani ha, Untill and unless we precure latest stuff soon.

Well does anyone think NATO would come to our aid or would they go to the Major non-nato ally Pakistan and banker Chinas aid leaving us to do the fighting ourselves? I am sure the Russians would be thrilled at the prospect of minting money over our arms purchase. So who would really ally with us?

At the least US and NATO will watch on fearing a larger nuclear conflict which may engulf them as well. So all we have is Rajani Kanth and he to is in Hospital now.. Dammmmeeeeeee....

 

[Sikh_warrior]

If India has to go two front war .Iam sorry to say, As Indian, i feel deep pain in saying this, India ki phat jani ha, Untill and unless we precure latest stuff soon.

have you also 'rehearsed' the scenario, like ISI has done it?

how can you say 'India ki phat jani hai'? (this shows you lost the war before it even began)!!!

2020 still has 8 full years to go, and we dont know how pakistan would fare at that moment!

you can see the desperation with which China is trying to inject life saving drug into pakistan to save it from collapsing into a break up!

china doesnt want a direct conflict with india, as i said we might have localised border war with china, but not a direct conflict.

with pakistan, yes they are more dangerous than china in terms of surprise!

remember one things, in todays economic development era, no country wants a direct war with anyone, accept uncle sam.

conflict or a war, leaves the economy in shreds and set backs a country 25-50 years.

why do you think pakistan favors a low intensity proxy war against india by supporting terrorists? why china support maoists/naxals in india? why china brought in commies in Nepal?

lets make ourselves stronger internally and externally, and do away with NFU policy.

JAI HIND

 

[Blackwater]

have you also 'rehearsed' the scenario, like ISI has done it?

how can you say 'India ki phat jani hai'? (this shows you lost the war before it even began)!!!

2020 still has 8 full years to go, and we dont know how pakistan would fare at that moment!

you can see the desperation with which China is trying to inject life saving drug into pakistan to save it from collapsing into a break up!

china doesnt want a direct conflict with india, as i said we might have localised border war with china, but not a direct conflict.

with pakistan, yes they are more dangerous than china in terms of surprise!

remember one things, in todays economic development era, no country wants a direct war with anyone, accept uncle sam.

conflict or a war, leaves the economy in shreds and set backs a country 25-50 years.

why do you think pakistan favors a low intensity proxy war against india by supporting terrorists? why china support maoists/naxals in india? why china brought in commies in Nepal?

lets make ourselves stronger internally and externally, and do away with NFU policy.

JAI HIND

Well my comments were based on the news reports, personal contacts in Air force and army and old military stuff we have. The delays in every field to procure latest stuff has forced me to make this statement. Well my friend nothing is hidden u know Wat India has right now. Forget two front war, if we sustain pak attack on western border that will be more than enough..

 

[cw2005]

realistically speaking.... do you really think there is a chance for a major (2 front conflict) in the subcontinent? I dont think any one anywhere is going to allow that. the only driving force behind the world today is business and money. china wouldnt start an armed conflict with india, it would simply cost too much $$$ seeing the growing trade relations between both countries. they are more interested in securing energy sources and trade routes as well as trade markets. Thats what puts $$$ in every ones pockets. this is mainly where india and china will come to disagree with each other (trade, energy and resources and dominance of their back yards)


when it comes to Pakistan, yeah the reasons for conflict are different, but still I doubt conflicts would go any farther than border skirmishes or artillery exchanges (whats new). the present geopolitical situation in the region (pakistani logistical support to nato and us in afghanistan) will prevent either side starting a conflict.

in a situation like this, i think all sides would develop a deterrent military capability (submarines, chinese jets and tanks as well as us drones and f 16's for pakistan) and the continuous development of the indian military from an old soviet style beurocratic force to a more modern efective power. i think this is where things are heading slowly anyways, the pak military is focusing on modernizing everything from its navy and air force, to army and logstics. the indians are doing the same. a couple of hundred su 30's might ward off any one planning to start a war with india, but in no way does it make them a global expiditionary power like the US is.

when it comes to chinese military capabilities, you should remember they focus mainly on heartland china neighborhood, they have japan, south korea, tiawan and US and to some extent russia to deal with all at once, naturally they would have a strong and elaborate military to take care of all those advesories, dont you think? what would you do if the US navy parked the 6th fleet 100 miles off of mumbai ? you also have to remember china is 2X geographically as large and has more than 2X wealth that india has, a larger military is just a side product.

I believe a lot of these military funds in both india and pakistan can be diverted to training and equiping modern police agencies. both nations seem to lack effective policing, and internal threat (not external) is both our largest concerns. there is enough evidence of police corruption and atrocities both sides of the border.

Sensible comments. But, why you have to spoil everybody's fun here. Afterall, this is a defence forum and people would love to talk about weapon, war etc., not peace, money and friendship.

 

[Sikh_warrior]

Sensible comments. But, why you have to spoil everybody's fun here. Afterall, this is a defence forum and people would love to talk about weapon, war etc., not peace, money and friendship.

Money money money, is rich man's honey!

its business my dear watson, nothing personal! i gave the economic reasons in my post as a non-starter to the war with china.

pakistan is a completely different matter, its on a suicidel course. which is dangerous for iran, afghanistan, india and china. the direct neighbours of pakistan.

china being the manufacturing factory to the world, cannot afford a direct war! it just wants to earn 'a few dollars more'!

 

[Iamanidiot]

The Chinese cannot afford a war which they can start but which doesn't end on their terms.Bang on target Sikh_Warriorji .Plus the CCP is going through a precarious period politically and economically

 

[mki]

What I believe...
If we are at war with pakistan, and china will join pakistan and open north east front against us, Russia will open the front against china.

because india and Russia have good relation, i think defence treaty as well. russia already did once when in 1971 war, when US sent its one of the naval fleet against india.

Russia and china also have some disputes and indo-china war might be escalate that dispute in the sense of mutual enemy.

 

[debasree]

Go for a massive bombing raid on pakistan and level up all millitary and comunication installation & block port of karachi this have to be done in between 2-3 days then concentrate on china ,in this sector our air defence capabillity on easter front have to be upgraded then try to block their sea lane to cut their oil supply,thus force them to declare ceasefire.

 

[Yan Luo Wang]

If the Indian government was clever, they would ally with one side, against the other.

If India and Pakistan were allies for example, and both were hostile to China, that would be an incredible headache for us. Especially since we need Pakistan for geostrategic reasons.

Luckily, the Indian government hasn't done that.

 

[nitesh]

^6 Actually GoI is much clever, they know that China is not capable of helping pakistan, the examples are 1965, 1971 and 1999. And pakistan is any way not capable of helping China.

 

[JBH22]

If the Indian government was clever, they would ally with one side, against the other.

If India and Pakistan were allies for example, and both were hostile to China, that would be an incredible headache for us. Especially since we need Pakistan for geostrategic reasons.

Luckily, the Indian government hasn't done that.

The real question is whether China would want to get involve in a war for Pakistan surely not unless India is suffering terribly then Chinese would step in to give the last blow.Furthermore China seems to forget it has a potential Islamic insurgency with Uighur as everyone knows our neighbour is the epicentre for terrorist activities i believe China must not be blinded by so called "short-term gains"..

The real thing for China would be a strong Pakistan which can keep India distracted while it races to the top of the world..

 

[nitesh]

The real question is whether China would want to get involve in a war for Pakistan surely not unless India is suffering terribly then Chinese would step in to give the last blow.Furthermore China seems to forget it has a potential Islamic insurgency with Uighur as everyone knows our neighbour is the epicentre for terrorist activities i believe China must not be blinded by so called "short-term gains"..

The real thing for China would be a strong Pakistan which can keep India distracted while it races to the top of the world..

To be honest, I feel like China and US are paying protection money to pakistanis, so that the terrorists don't strike them. It is a monkey trap set up, you can not go away, even if you want to