If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan...

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India starts building nuclear shelters

New Delhi—Working on a new two- front war strategy with Pakistan and China, India has started building nuclear shelters in big cities and military centres. Under a military plan, hundreds of underground big shelters will be built to counter possible "nuclear assaults" from Pakistan and China.

The shelters will also be built along the metro lines in the capital, Mumbai, Chennai and Kolkata. Some big shelters will accommodate command and control centres, hospitals and training centres.

Each big shelter will have capacity to accommodate eight thousand persons in case of hostility. Special shelters will be constructed to accommodate VIPs, VVIPs and other dignitaries.

Indian military set up has recently designed a new war doctrine to confront Pakistan and China simultaneously. India is building up its military muscles and New Delhi has planned to spend $ 30 billion in next five years on purchase of advanced weapons from Russia, Israel, European nations and the United States.





http://asiandefence.blogspot.com/2010/12/india-starts-building-nuclear-shelters.html
 

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^^^^^ So no shelters for common man, but to protect VIPs, VVIPs and dignitaries these shelters are being built, any guess who these VVIPs are? As person who has seen the charm of these VVIPs first hand, its but obvious to me who will get these shelters (with 2G facilities :)) in Delhi, and who will fry and get converted into nuclear waste!
 

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Hehe, moral of the story is to become a politician. Become a minister and you are safe. Safe from nuke attack, safe from the countries laws no matter what you do.
 

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Hehe, moral of the story is to become a politician. Become a minister and you are safe. Safe from nuke attack, safe from the countries laws no matter what you do.
Simply being a politician is not enough. You need to be the politician with radia...oops..right connections. ;)
 

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Nice use of RADIA didi's name.......... were ever u go her network follows everybody in the corporate world.............:emot15::emot15::emot15:
 

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Army raises two new mountain divisions in NE


http://www.zeenews.com/news685626.html

New Delhi: With an eye on China's growing military strength in Tibet, India has "fully raised" two new mountain divisions with 30,000 troops in the northeast as a counter-measure and to shore up its mountain warfare capabilities.

"We have now fully raised the two new mountain divisions in the northeast. They are fully functional. Only some support elements may join them soon," a senior officer at the Army Headquarters here said.

The two new mountain divisions, raised at a cost of Rs 700 crore/ Rs 7 billion each, will be under the command of the Rangapahar-based 3 Corps in Nagaland and the Tezpur-based 4 Corps in Assam of the army's Kolkata-based Eastern Command.

The two divisions with 15,000 personnel each will further enhance the tactical strength of the Indian Army in the strategically important areas along the borders facing its traditional rival China, which claims the whole of Arunachal Pradesh as its territory.

The new mountain divisions have come up at a time when India's security top brass is warily watching the massive upgrade of Chinese military infrastructure along the 4,057-km Line of Actual Control (LAC) - the ceasefire line as there is no demaracated border - in all the three sectors - western (Ladakh), middle (Uttarakhand, Himachal) and eastern (Sikkim, Arunachal).

The other China-specific plans include the raising of the 'Arunachal Scouts' and 'Sikkim Scouts' that was given the nod last year.

India has also deployed a Sukhoi SU-30 air superiority fighter jet squadron in Tezpur as one of the aerial offensive measures apart from upgrading airfields and helipads in the northeast.The Cabinet Committee on Security had approved the raising of the two new divisions in early 2008 and preparations for raising the offensive infantry formations began the same year.

The army, out of its 35 divisions, already has 10 divisions dedicated to mountain warfare and another infantry division earmarked for high altitude operations.

Though the plan for raising the two new formations was to be in two phases over five years, the army has compressed timelines to have them in place within three years, primarily in view of the defence ministry's focus on building military strength in the northeast, the officer, who did not wish to be named, said.



Under the first phase, the two new divisions' headquarters, along with a brigade each, have come up, including the headquarters' support elements such as signals, provost, and intelligence units. Implementation of the second phase will be completed in the first half of this year to make them operationally ready.

The divisions have been armed with state-of-the-art technology such as heavy-lift helicopters capable of carrying 50 troops each; ultralight howitzers that can be slung under the helicopters for transportation; missile and cannon-armed helicopter gunships; utility helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs)
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India is already in the process of purchasing 140 M777 ultralight howitzers worth $647 million through the foreign military sales route from the US under its Rs 12,000-crore ($2.7-billion) artillery modernisation plan.
 
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Actually, if India and China ever go to war, which I think would be sad and vicious, but probable (between 2-5% chance) in another 20 years or so ~2025/2030, the only winner will be private corporations who make and sell weapons. Even the United States will lose as it's prices will rise (China being it's largest consumer goods supplier) and services will fall (India being it's largest support provider). The world economy will be so tied up by 2025/ 2030 that any major war between the large economies will send oil prices soaring, stock markets crashing and in general businesses suffering. The common people worldwide will feel the pinch, and the poor will feel the punch. It will be a harsh economic scenario similar to WW-II, but on a grander scale. Obviously, some rich people will profit and most military-related corporations will flourish.


Would you guys please stop war mongering! if India and china ever go to war, there would be only one winner, the united states.
The fact is that if current trends don't change, both india and china will have the weight to leverage US on a global stage. don't even think they yankees are happy to see india powerful enough to compete for resources with them like china is doing today, instigate potential challengers to go to war and they make profit by supply weapons, that is what the yankees always do.
So indians should wake up from your dreams, US is never your ally and never will be, for them, you're just a tool to contain china. we both should seize the opportunity to develop ourselves instead of sarcrifice ourselves to support the yankees hegemony.
 
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India can defeat China and Pakistan at the same time

FOREIGN Office spokesman on Thursday very categorically and convincingly responded to the threats being hurled by India. Reacting to the statement of the Indian Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor that his country can fight wars with Pakistan and China simultaneously and that India would finish Pakistan within 96 hours of a war, the spokesman declared at the weekly news briefing that our eastern neighbour must not undermine Pakistan's capability to defend itself against aggression.

The statement of the Indian Army Chief has shocked not only people in Pakistan and in the region but also to some circles in India that were keen to see improvement in relations between the two countries. In fact, this was not a casual or off-the-cuff remark by General Kapoor but part of the new military doctrine and, therefore, it should be taken very seriously by the authorities concerned in Pakistan and also in China. In the first place, India is alarmingly increasing its military muscle as it has not only started local production of lethal weapons of all sorts through foreign collaboration but has also embarked upon a defence shopping spree. Encouraged by the keenness of the United States and other countries of the West to enter into closer nuclear cooperation with India, the policy makers in New Delhi have also started giving loud thinking to their plans to go for more nuclear tests as part of the programme to give new dimensions to their nuclear and missile programmes. All this confirms widely held belief that the United States is preparing India to take up responsibilities as mini superpower in this part of the world to browbeat not only Pakistan but also keep China under check. It is with this objective that Americans are trying their best to help India consolidate its political, economic and strategic influence in Afghanistan. Secondly, the threat from the Indian Army Chief comes at a time when Pakistan was passing through the most critical juncture of its history and the statement is obviously aimed at multiplying woes of the country. The spokesman has, therefore, done well by inviting attention of the world community towards hegemonic and jingoistic mindset of India that could threaten regional and global peace. Though in the given situation it is unlikely that the influential capitals of the world would pay any serious heed to the caution by Islamabad yet we must mount an aggressive diplomatic campaign to unmask India's real face. At the same time, our strategists and analysts should go deeper into the statement of General Kapoor and take necessary steps to safeguard vital security interests of the country.

http://www.pakobserver.net/201001/02/Editorial01.asp
 

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i think india can finish pakistan in 72 hours as opposed to 96 hours.
I am sure the general knows what he is talking about when he gives a timeline. But I sure do want to know on what basis you give a timeline?
 

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All our preparations are meant to keep Chinese away while we put some "sense" in the brains of Pakistani Army

When this two front war doctrine came up for the first time Lt Gen Lamba of ARTRAC said that " A massive armored thrust into Rawalpindi within 48 hours will quiten the pakistanis"

All our preparations so far have been to give a few hard kicks and blows to Pakistan below its Nuclear threshold

The Chinese will keep " away " once they realise that we can hurt them badly too
 

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We badly need Agni 5 to be successful in its very first test, we badly need it.

BrahMos, Shaurya and Nirbhay to built in numbers.

Induct Tejas Mk2 and MMRCA as quickly as possible.

Get AMCA going and induct FGFA in large numbers.

Need to have atleast 10 Arihant class subs and 3 CBG by 2025.

We need to raise our economic clout in our neighbourhood and have some political influence too. And we do not need to show as clearly as this that we are siding with the Americans, that will be disaster for Indian foreign policy,

We need to see in the eyes of China while we squeeze some pakistani ba***

This will be good enough.
 

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Now Look at Chinese Missile Range.
Now if the pacifists were to ask why does china need to have all those countries in range ? surely there immediate threat is russia and India.

I only wish we dont hold back because of lack of foresight....our history is littered with events where our rulers have thought that there military was apt and sat back and as a result got ran over many times.
 

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Actually the biggest threat to China are it's eastern neighbors - Taiwan, SK, Japan and USA. Russia and India are less of a concern for China - at least for now.
 

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Illusion of "China's Attack on India Before 2012"


By Chen Xiaochen, Beijing
The 2000 km border between China and India has been a notable absence from press headlines in the years since then-Indian PM Vajpayee's 2003 visit to Beijing. Tensions, however, have risen again as India announced last month a plan to deploy two additional army divisions and two air force squadrons of Su-30 Fighter Unit, some 60,000 soldiers in total, in a disputed border area in the southern part of Tibet, which India claims as its state of Arunachal Pradesh.

Adding fuel to the flames is an article by Bharat Verma, editor of Indian Defense Review, predicting that China will attack India before 2012, leaving only three years to Indian government for preparation.
According to Mr. Verma, "growing unrest in China" due in part to economic downturn will leave the Chinese government looking for something to "divert the attention of its own people from 'unprecedented�?internal dissent, growing unemployment and financial problems." China will also want to strike India before the latter becomes powerful, which is the reason for the 2012 "deadline." India, with its growing affiliation with the West, is yet weak under China's fire.
But a "China's attack" is not going to happen, and one wonders at the basis for Mr. Verma's thinking. First, although it is true that China's macro-economy has taken a hit from the global financial crisis, the extent of the damage is under control. Recent statistics shows China's economy grew 7.1% in the first half of 2009, while its foreign exchange reserve has exceeded $2 trillion. China's stimulus plan has been effective and given people confidence. China will survive the global downturn as well or better than the rest of the world's economies.
And even if China's economy was really all that bad, would the government try to distract "unrest" by taking military actions against India? Mr Verma's reasoning rests on a lack of documentation. Looking into the past 60 years, China has no record of launching a war to divert public attention from anything. Moreover, while Mr. Verma supposes the Chinese Communist Party has no cards to play other than "invading India," the Party, widely experienced in dealing with domestic disputes, will hardly in only three years have run out of all options facing potential social instability. Moreover, even if Chinese leaders considered such an option, they would certainly be aware that an external war would severely jeopardize domestic affairs.
Other reasons the author mentions in the article are also vague. The Western powers would not take kindly to a Chinese conflict with India, leaving China rightfully reluctant to use force in any case other than extreme provocation. US forces well deployed in Afghanistan and Pakistan could check any China's military action in South Asia. And then there is also the nuclear problem: there has never been a war between two nuclear equipped nations, and both sides would have to be extremely cautious in decision-making, giving more room for less violent solutions.
Further, it is important to realize there is no reason for China to launch a war, against India in particular. Economic development, rather than military achievement, has long been the consensus of value among China's core leaders and citizens. Despite occasional calls to "Reoccupy South Tibet (occupied Chinese territory)," China's decision-making is always cautious. It is not possible to see a Chinese "incursion" into India, even into Tawang, an Indian-occupied Buddhist holy land over which China argues a resolute sovereignty.
Last but not least, China's strategy, even during the 1962 border war with India, has been mainly oriented towards the east, where Taiwan is its core interest, while the recent Xinjiang unrest highlights China's growing anti-terrorist tasks in the northwest �?both issues are more important than the southwest border. If China were to be involved in a war within the next three years, as unlikely as that seems, the adversary would hardly be India. The best option, the sole option, open for the Chinese government is to negotiate around the disputed territory.
However, there is one scenario where there is possibility for war: an aggressive Indian policy toward China, a "New Forward Policy," may aggravate border disputes and push China to use force �?despite China's appeal, as far as possible, for peaceful solutions.
Consider the 1959-1962 conflict, the only recorded war between China and India in the long history of their civilizations. After some slight friction with China in 1959, the Indian army implemented aggressive action known as its Forward Policy. The Chinese Army made a limited but successful counterattack in 1962.
Now, it seems "back to the future". Mr. Verma asserts another war will happen before 2012, a half century after the last, regrettable one. India has started to deploy more troops in the border area, similar to its Forward Policy 50 years ago. Is Mr. Verma's China-bashing merely a justification for more troops deployed along the border? Will India's "New Forward Policy", as the old one did 50 years ago, trigger a "2012 war?"
The answers lie mainly on the Indian side. Given China's relatively small military garrison in Tibet, Indian's 60,000 additional soldiers may largely break the balance. If India is as "pacific" as Mr. Verma says, and is sincere in its border negotiation, China-India friendship will remain. After all, China shares a long and mostly friendly cultural exchange with India as well as other neighbors. Now China is seeking deeper cooperation, wider coordination, and better consensus with India, especially in the global recession, and peace is a precondition for doing so. China wants to say, "We are on the same side," as the Indian Ambassador did in a recent interview in China. Thus, "China will attack India before 2012" is a provocative and inflammatory illusion.
(Chen Xiaochen serves as a journalist of editorial and comments in China Business News.)


http://www.chinastakes.com/2009/7/illusion-of-chinas-attack-on-india-before-2012.html

 

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Well, China attacking India before 2012 was hogwash for sure - it was an effort by India's limited millitary-industrial complex to create an imaginary dragon to buy/ sell more weapons and equipment.
Having said that, it does not mean that India should not be prepared. Especially since China still calls Arunachal pradesh as "Southern Tibet" and asserts it's claim there. Also, they have shamelessly bartered Ladakh from Pakistan in exchange for missile technology (and Nuclear technology?). So, it is in the best interest of India to be prepared, not to be caught with pants down by a PLA thrust into Arunachal Pradesh. Also, for China a prepared India will give it's rogue leaders/ generals pause before they decide to go for a misadventure to further their own political/ millitary careers.
 

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