If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan...

[pmaitra]

guy, I have to show some sympathy to you, because you have nothing to boast,but blah "we have freedom,we can express freely".

guy, when can you proudly delclare that "we have less illteracy...my people can afford more household appliance....I can finally pull my people out of mid-age life-style....I make hunger away from my people"?

Firstly, do not show sympathy for us. Show empathy, because your countryside is as backward and destitute like India's.

Secondly, to answer your question, we can proudly declare all that you have mentioned when we actually achieve them, while you can never declare as long as you have censored and repressed media!

 

[pmaitra]

nobody in china wants to attack India,whether India is powerful or not.

however, obvioulsy many Indian people here not only know nothing about CHina, but also know little about India, their own country.

China did attack India and it is worse than a fairy tale to claim that "nobody in China wants to attack India".

Many Indian people don't know much about China, but then do the Chinese themselves? All they know is from Government controlled media. We have free media in India. In fact, an average Chinese probably knows more about India than about China.

 

[pmaitra]

great difference exist BTW Tibet and KA claimed by India.

some parts of KA claimed by India are controled by CHina and Pakistan,while Tibet is completely controled by CHina..

India actually can not affect situation of Tibet ,but CHina can easily affeact situation of KA claimed by India,by building infrastructures there or deployed troops there or supply arms to Pakistan.

The only difference between Kashmir and Tibet/East Turkestan is that the latter two should never have been part of China because historically they never were part of China, and that the former has always been part of India since times immemorial.

Furthermore, I have doubts about Inner Mongolia and Manchuria, who are not Han Chinese; but that would be digressing.

 

[Solid Beast]

The only strategy India should follow is to make many small incisions in China before a two-front war is possible. Pakistan is not financially capable of fighting India for more than 5-7 business days. China will not fight long if the US and Russia side with India. I don't see the big fuss either when clearly overt war is being avoided and we all know that nobody in Asia is stupid enough to make a drastic move before things settle down in the west.

 

[pmaitra]

As a matter of fact, speaking about 1962 here's what i found ...

Have the Chinese decided now to wipe out Indo-China war history? They did publish a war documentary; but I am not sure if it was for domestic or international consumption. It probably was created in Chinese because there are english subtitles, but the videos I have posted below have English commentary.

 

[Yusuf]

Stop all the BS now. This thread is not for chinese propaganda. it is discussing something else. anymore BS here will invite infractions/suspensions.

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

One thing CHINA should remember that INDIA did not use its AIRFORCE during the 1962 war. If not for the then Prime minister's decission for not using the Air force, INDIA could have crushed the chinese hands down and there would not been any border dispute between INDIA and CHINA.

 

[Illusive]

Future warfare will be far more sophisticated than we can assume now, information is key, UAV's will be key in this war, China is honing its skills in cyberwarfare, they can take out our satellites and surveillance UAV's. Assuming that China by 2025 will have its own GPS satellites could be a disadvantage for India since India would have to rely on US or Russia for that unless and until we have our own. India needs to develop drones like the one US posses MQ1-RQ1 predator to deter any Chinese invasion from the NE region. As for Pakistan we need Afghanistan, Af is very imp place in the future for India for this very reason, but for that a strong Afghan govt. is imp. If India is successful in having military bases in Aghan region then Pak cannot fully divert it troops to the eastern border.

Like i said intel is key to this war since locating the enemy won't be easy in hostile terrain and envoirnment.Drones are impotant and we need to secure our satellites from being hacked. I would prefer that our future systems wont be in english. If our programming need to be done in a secret code or language to make it difficult if not impossible to hack.

 

[ace009]

Why did this thread get hijacked for a India-China pissing match? I thought this thread was supposed to discuss a rational view of a improbable, but possible war scenario - why do the moderators allow the patriotic trolls to hijack the thread? Please stop any trolling ....

 

[badguy2000]

One thing CHINA should remember that INDIA did not use its AIRFORCE during the 1962 war. If not for the then Prime minister's decission for not using the Air force, INDIA could have crushed the chinese hands down and there would not been any border dispute between INDIA and CHINA.

well,IAF in 1962 was just a sitting duck in the front of PLAAF equipped with 3000+ Mig15/17/19.Furthermroe , CHina had set up full defence industry chains in Manchuria whiie India could not product any jet bird.

 

[SHASH2K2]

well,IAF in 1962 was just a sitting duck in the front of PLAAF equipped with 3000+ Mig15/17/19.Furthermroe , CHina had set up full defence industry chains in Manchuria whiie India could not product any jet bird.

And your 3000 + Mig15/17/19 would have been flying from Beijing ? and regarding your cheap quality copies and rip off of russian planes we have dedicated thread . I will Love to see you debating there. forget making a plane . China still has to import Russian engines.
Your planes avionics and systems are so good that Pakistanis are looking to upgrade in very first year.

:emot15:

 

[ace009]

I am still not sure why the pissing match is going on - the Troll from China is inciting people to meaningless rhetoric and people are responding - seems like I wasted my efforts here and should not post my sections 4 and 5 - nobody seems interested anymore in the topic in the header. Ace out ...

 

[Agantrope]

I am still not sure why the pissing match is going on - the Troll from China is inciting people to meaningless rhetoric and people are responding - seems like I wasted my efforts here and should not post my sections 4 and 5 - nobody seems interested anymore in the topic in the header. Ace out ...

Losers Blab buddy....

 

[Pintu]

We are here in this thread to discuss a probable 'War Scenario' , certainly not a 'War' which was already fought , anymore reference to that history will simply invite infraction or ban , ace , please continue with your post.

Regards

 

[ace009]

Section 4:
South-western front (Sea battle)

PN and PLAN tactics:
The sea battle in the Arabian sea and Persian gulf will be primarily between the western fleet of IN and the PN and PLAN. The PN does not have a carrier or a nuclear submarine. However, they do have several frigates and destroyers, together with the PLAN nuclear submarine that can damage Indian merchant marine. The PLAN may send over a task force to the PN naval bases to harry the Indian supply lines (Oil from ME, engineering imports from EU and USA etc). The objective for PLAN and PN in the Arabian Sea/ Persian Gulf sector would be destroy as much Indian merchant marine as possible, sink a few IN ships and try to land commando missions at or near the IN naval bases in the western sector. If the PN/ PLAN can keep the IN western fleet on the defensive and draw in the southern fleet towards the defense of the Indian mainland and significantly reduce threat to the pak/ chinese merchant marine. This might also help the PLAN SSBN to slip through the IN in the Bay of Bengal to attack the IN naval bases and docks.

IN tactics:
The IN western command would like to blockade the Karachi harbor like they did in 1971. They surely have the ability to overcome any challenges posed by PN alone. However, if the PLAN sends help to the PN, the roles might be reversed and IN maybe playing defense. So, the deial scenario would be to send in the submarine fleet with support from a carrier to sink some merchant marine ships and maybe one or two PN frigates to block the approach to Karachi harbor as soon as possible. Once this is achieved it will be difficult for the PN or a PLAN task force to operate any deep draft vessel out of the largest Pak base. Since neither the PN or the PLAN task force would be a true blue water navy, forming a fleet to work independantly away from a large naval base, not to mention with no air cover (away from Karachi, with no carriers) would be impossible for the PN/PLAN combine.

In the end, a swift and decisive action by the IN can end the PN/ PLAN threat in the arabian sea/ Persian gulf, exposing the soft supply line for China and Pak merchant marine to any hunter vessel (Frigate or submarine) sent out by IN southern command. A failure to do so early on, and any loss of control by IN will lead to a reversal of fortunes with IN defending the shorelines and the Indian merchant marine at the mercy of PLAN/ PN hunters.

 

[ace009]

Any comments anyone or am I preaching to a dead interest group? :-D

 

[Sabir]

In my opinion , battle in IO region will start and end as 'advantage India'. Noway PLAN can help out Pakistan coming so far from mainland especially crossing the chock point of Malacca strait. Presence of Andaman Naval base blocking the Malacca strait is a huge advantage for India. The ship route and major Chinese bases in our neighbouring countries are within range of modern fighters of IAF. India will certainly have best anti-submarine warfare system among three thanks to import from USA. Remember Submarine hunters (planes and choppers) flying over the IO in our backyard will be all Indian. So PLAN submarine fleet will have dual threat- submarines of IN (probably more sophisticated being of European origin) and P8 and other platforms hunting for Chinese submarines. There is very less chance that China will step in a venture where they have to burn hands.

 

[neo29]

^^^ IOR is all ours. Thanks to Thailand and Malaysia that are geographically located in such a way that PLAN will have to come all around. They have South China sea issues, Taiwan, SK and Japan for their navy to be busy. They cant afford to look elsewhere with so much issues on the coast. The string of pearls is just refueling ports for their oil lines coz they dont want to depend on India for that. Even if a warship docks there during a war, it will take India less than an hour to destroy the ports.

 

[vikramrana_1812]

In my opinion , battle in IO region will start and end as 'advantage India'. Noway PLAN can help out Pakistan coming so far from mainland especially crossing the chock point of Malacca strait. Presence of Andaman Naval base blocking the Malacca strait is a huge advantage for India. The ship route and major Chinese bases in our neighbouring countries are within range of modern fighters of IAF. India will certainly have best anti-submarine warfare system among three thanks to import from USA. Remember Submarine hunters (planes and choppers) flying over the IO in our backyard will be all Indian. So PLAN submarine fleet will have dual threat- submarines of IN (probably more sophisticated being of European origin) and P8 and other platforms hunting for Chinese submarines. There is very less chance that China will step in a venture where they have to burn hands.

If China attacks India then it wont be thru sea route.......It will be all out Missile Attack.....what India need is the one of the best missile defence shield....currently we are vulnerable to chinese missiles.....

 

[The Messiah]

Any comments anyone or am I preaching to a dead interest group? :-D

You are not preaching to walls...please do continue.