If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan...

[neo29]

Finally the PM wakes up to China threat.

We must remember that China is not pulling hostility with India coz of border issue, but as a regional power giving competition to it not only militarily but economically also. They just cant digest the fact that the 2nd largest population after them is in the region who is rising.

In India's huge population, every person who looks at a electronic product and it is tagged made is china. Why is the establishment importing goods from a hostile country who is hell bent aggressive with us. Why cant we import from someone else. This change will hugely hit China as it is a export oriented economy.

 

[pmaitra]

Finally the PM wakes up to China threat.

We must remember that China is not pulling hostility with India coz of border issue, but as a regional power giving competition to it not only militarily but economically also. They just cant digest the fact that the 2nd largest population after them is in the region who is rising.

In India's huge population, every person who looks at a electronic product and it is tagged made is china. Why is the establishment importing goods from a hostile country who is hell bent aggressive with us. Why cant we import from someone else. This change will hugely hit China as it is a export oriented economy.

We cannot import from someone else because (1) either there is no one else who makes them or (2) no one makes them as cheap as China.

Take for example Apple iPhone. Why would one buy that if one gets the same features from another US company's product that is manufactured in China?

The labour scenario is China is so bad, that even Indians won't work for such low wages. China is not a rich country, albeit a superpower! Travel outside the cities like Shanghai and Beijing, and our Maoist dominated villages could look better.

Evidence (see the full video(s), and other parts if you so desire):

 

[badguy2000]

We cannot import from someone else because (1) either there is no one else who makes them or (2) no one makes them as cheap as China.

Take for example Apple iPhone. Why would one buy that if one gets the same features from another US company's product that is manufactured in China?

The labour scenario is China is so bad, that even Indians won't work for such low wages. China is not a rich country, albeit a superpower! Travel outside the cities like Shanghai and Beijing, and our Maoist dominated villages could look better.

Evidence (see the full video(s), and other parts if you so desire):

yes, India live a better life quality than CHina... India is richer than CHina.....keep repeating it ,then you can have a good sleep!

 

[pmaitra]

guys we dont need to attack china we need to defend against china ,where as against paki's we need to attack them. we have remember that china has more number of enemy that we have (Taiwan, Vietnam,south Korea,japan , aus,US, even with asean they so many disputes . we need to have strategical relation with all this country's. two front war is a worst case scenario for us, it is hypothetically not possible.

We need to prepare for an all out war against China, every day, every hour, every minute!

Just that we will not initiate a war against China. Nonetheless, we need to prepare as if we are going to declare war on them tomorrow!

 

[Illusive]

PM responding to his critics i guess, its good, he has to act like a leader and take active part in interests of the nation and its threats. When the leaders speak, the world listens and so will China.

 

[Illusive]

yes, India live a better life quality than CHina... India is richer than CHina.....keep repeating it ,then you can have a good sleep!

He didnt mean that India is richer than China , he meant China has world class cities and third class villages.

 

[pmaitra]

yes, India live a better life quality than CHina... India is richer than CHina.....keep repeating it ,then you can have a good sleep!

I like you sarcasm.

I like your "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU" avataar.

Ok, will big brother, for a moment, quit watching me and watch the following video?


Copying, piracy and reverse engineering does not a superpower make!

Respect is a far cry, because it has to be commanded, not demanded.

 

[Anshu Attri]

Govt revises Union War Book to meet current situation - The Times of India

Govt revises Union War Book to meet current situation
:emot159:

NEW DELHI: The government has quietly gone in for a major revision of the Union War Book, a classified voluminous document which lays down the exact role each government ministry, department and wing will play in times of war, to better reflect the current security scenario and ground situation.

The revision in the Union War Book even came up for mention during the annual combined commanders' conference, attended by PM Manmohan Singh and other senior ministers, which ended here on Tuesday.

"The entire government machinery, from the armed forces to the railways, civil aviation, shipping, surface transport, health and the like, has to be mobilised in the event of a war,'' said a top official.

"Times, tactics and doctrines have changed since the Union War Book, which has been in existence since the days of the British Raj, was last revised years ago. Primarily carried out by the defence and home ministries as well as the Cabinet Secretariat, the update caters for all this,'' he added.

The new Union War Book, which is with the Cabinet Committee of Security for the final nod, lays down action plans in minute details to meet any contingency during war.

It spells out, for instance, how air, train and other services will be commandeered in times of national emergency. It also provides the basis for forward deployment of military assets like the movement of a Mirage-2000 fighter squadron from Gwalior to say Ambala or Leh.

"It's the Bible for us. All commanding officers get extracts, marked secret/top-secret, which flow from the Union War Book about where his unit will be stationed and what role it will play during war,'' said an Army officer.

The Union War Book was last taken up for implementation during Operation Parakram, the 10-month-long forward troop mobilisation launched in the aftermath of the December 2001 terrorist attack, when India almost went to war with Pakistan.

Since then, with the armed forces themselves revising their doctrines, the need was felt to also revise the Union War Book. The Army, for instance, learnt the harsh lesson that slow mobilisation of its strike formations -- it took almost a month for them to mobilise at the `border launch pads' -- would no longer do. Instead, the strategy should be to mobilise fast and strike hard.

And now, as was first reported by TOI, the Army war doctrine is undergoing yet another revision to effectively meet the challenges of a possible `two-front war' with China and Pakistan in a worst-case scenario, deal with asymmetric and fourth-generation warfare, enhance strategic reach and joint operations with IAF and Navy. The revision in the Union War Book is in keeping with the times.

 

[Aathithya2]

Govt revises Union War Book to meet current situation - The Times of India

Govt revises Union War Book to meet current situation
:emot159:

NEW DELHI: The government has quietly gone in for a major revision of the Union War Book, a classified voluminous document which lays down the exact role each government ministry, department and wing will play in times of war, to better reflect the current security scenario and ground situation.

The revision in the Union War Book even came up for mention during the annual combined commanders' conference, attended by PM Manmohan Singh and other senior ministers, which ended here on Tuesday.

"The entire government machinery, from the armed forces to the railways, civil aviation, shipping, surface transport, health and the like, has to be mobilised in the event of a war,'' said a top official.

"Times, tactics and doctrines have changed since the Union War Book, which has been in existence since the days of the British Raj, was last revised years ago. Primarily carried out by the defence and home ministries as well as the Cabinet Secretariat, the update caters for all this,'' he added.

The new Union War Book, which is with the Cabinet Committee of Security for the final nod, lays down action plans in minute details to meet any contingency during war.

It spells out, for instance, how air, train and other services will be commandeered in times of national emergency. It also provides the basis for forward deployment of military assets like the movement of a Mirage-2000 fighter squadron from Gwalior to say Ambala or Leh.

"It's the Bible for us. All commanding officers get extracts, marked secret/top-secret, which flow from the Union War Book about where his unit will be stationed and what role it will play during war,'' said an Army officer.

The Union War Book was last taken up for implementation during Operation Parakram, the 10-month-long forward troop mobilisation launched in the aftermath of the December 2001 terrorist attack, when India almost went to war with Pakistan.

Since then, with the armed forces themselves revising their doctrines, the need was felt to also revise the Union War Book. The Army, for instance, learnt the harsh lesson that slow mobilisation of its strike formations -- it took almost a month for them to mobilise at the `border launch pads' -- would no longer do. Instead, the strategy should be to mobilise fast and strike hard.

And now, as was first reported by TOI, the Army war doctrine is undergoing yet another revision to effectively meet the challenges of a possible `two-front war' with China and Pakistan in a worst-case scenario, deal with asymmetric and fourth-generation warfare, enhance strategic reach and joint operations with IAF and Navy. The revision in the Union War Book is in keeping with the times.

Is this a regular revision or government anticipating something BIG???

 

[EagleOne]

Is this a regular revision or government anticipating something BIG???

well it is something big can say it
by seeing statements of Prime Minster & Defense minster from past few days

 

[badguy2000]

He didnt mean that India is richer than China , he meant China has world class cities and third class villages.

hehe,
the fact may hurt you, that hundreds of CHinese countytowns have better infrastructures than Mumbai......

 

[pmaitra]

hehe,
the fact may hurt you, that hundreds of CHinese countytowns have better infrastructures than Mumbai......

From the videos I posted earlier, your argument does not sound very convincing.

In any event, I must say, I do not trust your views about China, being very aware that you are Chinese yourself, for the simple and globally consensus-ed impression that you lack the basic freedom for expression, protest and media. Especially since you have had the Tienanmen Square massacre in which the Chinese government drove tanks on their own children, when you have frequent executions, malignant unrest and discontent in Tibet and East Turkestan (Xinjiang), I think your conscience should beg the question whether you can afford to be a Chinese Nero and look the other way while your own countrymen suffer.

I must also remind you, that I simply made a claim that no Indian would work for wages as low as a Chinese would work. I did not make claims about Indian cities being better than Chinese cities. Neither did I claim that Indian villages are better than Chinese villages; however, that seems highly probable, at least from the videos I had posted.

Now, as a humble advise to you, please do not misquote, place false accusations or deliberately misinterpret my comments.

To make your reasoning more respectable and argumentatively acceptable, make some effort to 'copy, paste and quote' exactly what I had posted in my first comment, and then put your views forward. If you want to provoke me into mud-slinging, then good luck; because I refuse to participate.

 

[nitesh]

What slums are doing here in middle of two front war thread?

 

[neo29]

The Forces and Govt is not stupid enough to declare their doctrine and war book plans in case of emergency/war. This is just an official policy to declare. The real scenario behind is totally different which they will never declare like this.

 

[pmaitra]

The Forces and Govt is not stupid enough to declare their doctrine and war book plans in case of emergency/war. This is just an official policy to declare. The real scenario behind is totally different which they will never declare like this.

You are probably right. However, unless they declare it, how will the railways, fire brigade, police, paramilitary etc., practise or prepare contingency plans? Also, assuming the government will never declare the War Doctrines, when will the stakeholders know about it? After start of hostilities? Doesn't sound quite encouraging to me.

 

[neo29]

You are probably right. However, unless they declare it, how will the railways, fire brigade, police, paramilitary etc., practise or prepare contingency plans? Also, assuming the government will never declare the War Doctrines, when will the stakeholders know about it? After start of hostilities? Doesn't sound quite encouraging to me.

All the so called public utility services always do get instruction from the top brass. Obviously the people working in these sectors dont know but the ministers do know this. Once emergency/war declared then the ministers of the public services do get standing instructions from PMO or Army depending upon the what type of doctrine or planning is implemented which the general public will never ever know.

For the sake of national security such things are not declared and if mandatory to declare then some false information is provided. For eg most people dont exactly know much Nukes India has. There has been attempt to find out approximate number of nukes by spreading news rumors like India nuke tests failed and Pakistan has better weapons. India has remained quiet on such reports and news and will continue to do.

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

Respected BG,
YOU have only seen the upper layer of INDIA'S strength. YOU haven't seen the entire strength of INDIA. Remember that INDIA is protected by a force that safe gaurds it from any attack made by any country.

 

[badguy2000]

From the videos I posted earlier, your argument does not sound very convincing.

In any event, I must say, I do not trust your views about China, being very aware that you are Chinese yourself, for the simple and globally consensus-ed impression that you lack the basic freedom for expression, protest and media. Especially since you have had the Tienanmen Square massacre in which the Chinese government drove tanks on their own children, when you have frequent executions, malignant unrest and discontent in Tibet and East Turkestan (Xinjiang), I think your conscience should beg the question whether you can afford to be a Chinese Nero and look the other way while your own countrymen suffer.

I must also remind you, that I simply made a claim that no Indian would work for wages as low as a Chinese would work. I did not make claims about Indian cities being better than Chinese cities. Neither did I claim that Indian villages are better than Chinese villages; however, that seems highly probable, at least from the videos I had posted.

Now, as a humble advise to you, please do not misquote, place false accusations or deliberately misinterpret my comments.

To make your reasoning more respectable and argumentatively acceptable, make some effort to 'copy, paste and quote' exactly what I had posted in my first comment, and then put your views forward. If you want to provoke me into mud-slinging, then good luck; because I refuse to participate.

guy, I have to show some sympathy to you, because you have nothing to boast,but blah "we have freedom,we can express freely".

guy, when can you proudly delclare that "we have less illteracy...my people can afford more household appliance....I can finally pull my people out of mid-age life-style....I make hunger away from my people"?

 

[badguy2000]

Respected BG,
YOU have only seen the upper layer of INDIA'S strength. YOU haven't seen the entire strength of INDIA. Remember that INDIA is protected by a force that safe gaurds it from any attack made by any country.

nobody in china wants to attack India,whether India is powerful or not.

however, obvioulsy many Indian people here not only know nothing about CHina, but also know little about India, their own country.

 

[Tshering22]

^^ And do you call the recent aggression in diplomacy that your government tried in Arunachal and then moved to Kashmir as "love"? Because then trust me, your definition of love is very different from the entire world. We recognized Tibet out of mutual agreement that you won't meddle in our internal affairs in 2003. But then again your government backtracked in recognizing us as a part of India, placing us still as a separate kingdom.

Should we also do that for Xingjiang and Tibet? We don't need to know the Chinese people because your government's actions are a problem to us. The belligerence is really not appreciable and the onus of peace really rests on you.

Before claiming that China is a friend and not an enemy, please tell this to PLA generals as well because their actions don't exactly constitute the word "friendly".eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee