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The Chinese Navy's Emerging Support Network in the Indian Ocean

By: Daniel Kostecka

The ongoing debate in China over whether or not to formalize logistical support agreements for Chinese naval forces in the Indian Ocean is a natural outgrowth of the People's Liberation Army Navy's (PLAN) expanding presence in the region. As China continues to maintain a task group of warships off the Horn of Africa to conduct counter-piracy patrols, it is cultivating the commercial and diplomatic ties necessary to sustain its forces along these strategic sea-lanes. While Chinese government officials and academics debate the underlying issues, a supply network of "places" is quietly taking shape [1]. Regardless of whether or not the PLAN develops its support network through a series of formal agreements that guarantee access, or continues to supply its forces as it has been, that network is developing and will in all likelihood continue to grow in the foreseeable future.

Salalah, Oman – At this point, the PLAN ships deployed to the Gulf of Aden have utilized Salalah more than any other port by making a total of 16 port calls through June 2010. The PLAN counter-piracy patrollers began using Salalah during their second rotation, and from June 21 to July 1, 2009 the three ships on duty made individual port visits. According to the mission commander, Rear Admiral Yao Zhilou, the ships of Task Group 167 coordinated their port calls to ensure that five groups of 54 total merchant vessels were still escorted over the 11-day period in which the port visits took place. Since then, the ships of the third anti-piracy rotation called into Salalah in August 2009, the ships of the fourth rotation did the same in January 2010, and lastly, the ships of the fifth rotation called into Salalah in April and June 2010 (China Military Online, August 16, 2009; January 2; April 1; PRC Ministry of National Defense, June 10).
Overall, Oman and China have a stable and positive relationship and China has been the largest importer of Omani oil for several years, with oil accounting for over 90 percent of all bi-lateral trade between China and Oman (People's Daily Online, April 14, 2008). Given the stable oil trade between Oman and China along with the economic benefits to the host nation of foreign sailors spending time ashore, there is no reason to believe that Oman will discontinue the use of Salalah by the PLAN. In fact, the PLAN's success during its visits to Salalah is an indicator that its current system for sustaining its forces is sufficient (China Military Online, January 2). At the same time, it should not come as an unexpected development if current arrangements evolve into a formal agreement that guarantees access to Salalah for PLAN ships.

Aden, Yemen – Aden represents the first port utilized by PLAN ships during their deployment to the Gulf of Aden. The initial port call was from 21-23 February 2009 during the first counter piracy rotation when AOR-887 accepted diesel fuel, fresh water and food stores in order to replenish the task force's destroyers, and AOR-887 made additional port calls in April and July of 2009 (China Military Online, February 25, 2009; April 27, 2009; July 30, 2009). According to additional press reports, AOR-886 called into Aden in October 2009 and March 2010 during the third and fourth rotations, while AOR-887 made a five-day port call in Aden beginning on 16 May 2010 during the fifth rotation (Xinhua News Agency, October 24, 2009; Chinagate, March 14; May 17).

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our armed forces cannot take on pakistan itself let alone china. Indian army as per it's own report's is only 50% equipped for fighting a war and would achieve full capability only by 2025
 

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Support base alone does not indicate a Navy's armed synergy in an area of proposed conflict. What is the critical issue is the armed capability to contest and defeat an adversary.

So long as the Straits of Malacca is blocked, the main Chinese Navy will be denied access to the Indian Ocean. Therefore, whatever assets China has within the Indian Ocean and at her acquired support areas (bases), will in any conflict with the adversary dwindle. Replacements will not be forthcoming from China since the Straits of Malacca is blocked. China currently is in no position to challenge the might of the US Navy.

If the Straits of Hormuz is also blocked, China's fuel supply to fire its Navy would also diminish.
 

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Support base alone does not indicate a Navy's armed synergy in an area of proposed conflict. What is the critical issue is the armed capability to contest and defeat an adversary.

So long as the Straits of Malacca is blocked, the main Chinese Navy will be denied access to the Indian Ocean. Therefore, whatever assets China has within the Indian Ocean and at her acquired support areas (bases), will in any conflict with the adversary dwindle. Replacements will not be forthcoming from China since the Straits of Malacca is blocked. China currently is in no position to challenge the might of the US Navy.

If the Straits of Hormuz is also blocked, China's fuel supply to fire its Navy would also diminish.
Sir I was reading somewhere that india blocking the mallaca straits means we are violating the freedom of seas and we may invite US retaliation.The iranian Tanker war is a good example of that.What about the CAR region sir China can source oil from that region it is also a viable logistics root isn't it
 

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I always wonder that myself, Can India really block off Chinese oil shipment even if it wanted to?
How can India differentiate between ships carrying oil to China and ships carrying oil to Japan or Taiwan. India really can't hope to shut down the strait itself, that would cause serious damage to relation with other east and south east Asian countries.

In '61 Airforce was one advantage that India had but never used, next time around navy may end up becoming just like that.
 

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@JPraveen,

During war, one can undertake naval blockades.

In any conflict, India will not be in a standalone mode, especially when it is China.

The CAR pipeline will be free to operate, but then there are the Uighurs and Tibetans, who aren't very amenable towards the Han Chinese.

@Phenom,

You board ships and checking the papers and even the cargo one can make out where cargo is bound.

Ships of other nations are allowed to pass.

I presume you are meaning the 1962 Sino Indian Conflict.
 
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actually the strings of pearls are one of the vital cogs of chinese supply in the event of any war that blockades the vital choke points. in fact more for that use than actually being of military purpose.

The chinese will use third party flagged ships and book cargo to SL and then reload from there for eg.
 

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actually the strings of pearls are one of the vital cogs of chinese supply in the event of any war that blockades the vital choke points. in fact more for that use than actually being of military purpose.

The chinese will use third party flagged ships and book cargo to SL and then reload from there for eg.
The string of pearls bases are in the Indian Ocean. Gwadar, Myanmar and Sri Lanka (though not official). If the Straits of Hormuz, Bab el Mandeb, Straits of Malacca are blockaded, then no strategic assets can flow into China.

In so far as third party ships and false flag. all ships will be boarded and cargo and papers checked. One would recall how North Korean ships were boarded in international waters.

This operation would not be with India in a standalone mode.
 

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Sir, a cargo from gulf on third party ship marked to gwadar or hambantota would mean it is not chinese cargo. The chinese may use lankan marked ship with goods destined for Sri lanka from where it could be rebooked. If india seized that cargo it would be an act of war against SL wouldn't it?

I think this is the game china is playing with the string of pearls.
 

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The string of pearls bases are in the Indian Ocean. Gwadar, Myanmar and Sri Lanka (though not official). If the Straits of Hormuz, Bab el Mandeb, Straits of Malacca are blockaded, then no strategic assets can flow into China.

In so far as third party ships and false flag. all ships will be boarded and cargo and papers checked. One would recall how North Korean ships were boarded in international waters.

This operation would not be with India in a standalone mode.

Sir,

Isn't it safe to assume that the Chinese also will not be in a stand alone mode. What will be stand taken by countries like Pakistan, Iran, Yemen etc.

And how much access will SL provide to China keeping India on the opposite side.
 

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@JPraveen,

During war, one can undertake naval blockades.

In any conflict, India will not be in a standalone mode, especially when it is China.
By saying that, i think you just admit if in a China-vs-India scenario, India alone can almost do nothing to counterattack China.

It is interesting to see Indians like you always count on other countries to finish your job. You always expect others to take your side when there is a potential Sino-Indo conflict, if you Indians hold on to that mentality, India will always be a hopeless country.


The CAR pipeline will be free to operate, but then there are the Uighurs and Tibetans, who aren't very amenable towards the Han Chinese.
Another wet dream.
Do i need to remind you, during the last Sino-Indo conflict, nothing had happened in Tibet and Xinjiang. And to tell the truth, many Tibentans contributed a lot during that conflict by providing logistics assistance to PLA.
 
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By saying that, i think you just admit if in a China-vs-India scenario, India alone can almost do nothing to counterattack China.

It is interesting to see Indians like you always count on other countries to finish your job. You always expect others to take your side when there is a potential Sino-Indo conflict, if you Indians hold on to that mentality, India will always be a hopeless country.




Another wet dream.
Do i need to remind you, during the last Sino-Indo conflict, nothing had happened in Tibet and Xinjiang. And to tell the truth, many Tibentans contributed a lot during that conflict by providing logistics assitance to PLA.
You guys Don't include your pet in equations when it comes to India? If not then why the hell you keep on supplying weapons and missiles to Pakistan? when it comes to India we should be thinking of fighting you alone and China despite being bigger military force still needs help of Pakistan in conflict against India .
 

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You guys Don't include your pet in equations when it comes to India? If not then why the hell you keep on supplying weapons and missiles to Pakistan? when it comes to India we should be thinking of fighting you alone and China despite being bigger military force still needs help of Pakistan in conflict against India .
As far as i am concerned, China's assistance to Pakistan was never targeted at India, thought it may harm Indian interest due to the hostility between India and Paksitan. So if you think we help Pakistan because we needs their help during a potential Sino-Indo war, then you are wrong.

And more importantly, we do not bank on Pakistan to finish India if ever a Sino-Indo conflict breaks out, but any help from Pakistan will be warmly welcomed. Unlike you, we don't not talk about a war with India if we can not win by ourself.
 

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So you guys have provided those missiles and bombs to Pakistan just for charity ? You guys were feeling like doing social service to protect a weak and inferior country against India ? Regarding Finishing India . I know you have numerical advantages compared to us but Trillion dollar question is that will you be able to mobilize all your resources against us. You have far more hostile neighbors than we do and your resources are very very stretched. You can only dream of overpowering India now. Wet dreams May be .
 

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India should consider supplying Vietnam with weapons just like China supplies Pakistan. If you look at Vietnam's military, it is mostly outdated Soviet equipment, but for obvious reasons they can't aquire Western equipment, especially not from America.

They are a very good potential market for Indian arms. Japan and Taiwan are American puppets so India doesn't have much chance of selling anything to them.

India may have two fronts to worry about, but China has at least four (Russia, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam).
 

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So you guys have provided those missiles and bombs to Pakistan just for charity ? You guys were feeling like doing social service to protect a weak and inferior country against India ?
For charity or morality, we don't expect these weapons to play an important in a Sino-Indo conflict.

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Regarding Finishing India . I know you have numerical advantages compared to us but Trillion dollar question is that will you be able to mobilize all your resources against us.
You got me on this one, but i never said we are able to do that, that is why i think we don't have much to brag about, and that is also why we dont brag. I just pointed out you are not able to do that alone,


You have far more hostile neighbors than we do and your resources are very very stretched.
You are right again, but so what, do you expect all of them to help you when a war between China and India breaks out? I think i just pointed out that is a pathetic thougt.

You can only dream of overpowering India now. Wet dreams May be
Maybe, but it is better to dream about the rest of the world being your friend and helping you.
 
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India should consider supplying Vietnam with weapons just like China supplies Pakistan. If you look at Vietnam's military, it is mostly outdated Soviet equipment, but for obvious reasons they can't aquire Western equipment, especially not from America.

India may have two fronts to worry about, but China has at least four (Russia, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam).
u forgot america bro....may be not directly but will definitely provide assistance to any country going to war with china.....
vietnam had asked for missiles form us....we screwed it....
 

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You guys talk like India China conflict will have only Pakistan in the equation. You forget that almost 3 billion people are involved in the war. It is almost like a world war. Half of the world population will be at war at the same time. If ths happens then it will be catastrophic. It is almost like the world is at war.
 

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India should consider supplying Vietnam with weapons just like China supplies Pakistan. If you look at Vietnam's military, it is mostly outdated Soviet equipment, but for obvious reasons they can't aquire Western equipment, especially not from America.
They are a very good potential market for Indian arms. Japan and Taiwan are American puppets so India doesn't have much chance of selling anything to them.
I think you need to check out what you have in your inventory for sale first.

India may have two fronts to worry about, but China has at least four (Russia, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam).
That counts for nothing in a Sino-vs-Indo scenario.
 

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u forgot america bro....may be not directly but will definitely provide assistance to any country going to war with china.....
Yes, i know this will happen, US finally comes into the discussion. Why not change the title to China-vs-the-rest-of-world. I will give up on that one.
 

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