If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan...

[pankaj nema]

hi all this is my first post .
I believe India has no choice but to prepare for war on two fronts in all aspects ie MILITARILY, FINANCIALLY and above all PSYCHOLOGICALLY.
because if such a situation arises the biggest problem would be PANIC inside the country.

so the government must assure the people that our armed forces would be able to meet the challenge

also ISI sleeper cells and modules would become active and HUJI /ULFA / MAOSITS would do some damage

 

[LETHALFORCE]

12. China has a far better military satelite infrastructure.
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Blade what makes you feel Chinese have a better military satellite infrastructure?? Is it from the number of satellites they have launched or because they have tested a ASAT weapon??

 

[icecoolben]

Blade what makes you feel Chinese have a better military satellite infrastructure?? Is it from the number of satellites they have launched or because they have tested a ASAT weapon??

India even if it wanted and provided had the capabilities won't do an anti-satellite missile test for fear of escalation and upsetting world's power balance. Chinese military infrastructure would definitely be better compared to India, not just be'cos the ASAT weapon. From its inception, chinese space capabilities have been associated with its long range inter-continental ballistic missile programs. Their satellites needed to be configured to spy on russian, american installations near its borders. There is no reason why these asserts cannot be used against india. India has taken steps like the recent satellite launch with synthetic aperture radar developed with Israel's assistance. Both the countries are mulling an aero-space command, but i believe china with pla will head there first. With India catching up.

A proposal by Indian navy to seek a military satellite of its own has been met with opposition not from china, But from its sister service the iaf, while china under pla goes ahead unhindered.

ISRO has been reluctant to oblige to indian military needs, as it is already under Us sanctions and doesn't want to attract more, from eu, and japan for alleged transfer of any dual use technology. The chinese military space program has no such restriction, does it now?
Considering these Chinese capabilities in the aerospace military prowness should be better than Indian capabilities.

 

[Yusuf]

For all it's might, china cannot think of a war with India, at least a large scale one. India has the terrain on it's side. Asats or not. Spy sats or not, they cannot do a 62 again.

India is more than capable to defend on two fronts. We don't have any aggressive intents so offense is not considered.

 

[ppgj]

For all it's might, china cannot think of a war with India, at least a large scale one. India has the terrain on it's side. Asats or not. Spy sats or not, they cannot do a 62 again.

correct. the terrain is not only a help vis - a - vis the army but more so with the airforce. IAF will be at a greater advantage against PLAAF in a conflict.

India is more than capable to defend on two fronts.

i think will have to wait atleast for another 10 years for that.

 

[Yusuf]

correct. the terrain is not only a help vis - a - vis the army but more so with the airforce. IAF will be at a greater advantage against PLAAF in a conflict.


i think will have to wait atleast for another 10 years for that.

That we have not fought such a simultaneous war already is proof enough of what the enemy thinks of indias capability. Kargil could have been a major war with china joining in if it wanted to and not a cheap shot by pakistan.

 

[Koji]

India even if it wanted and provided had the capabilities won't do an anti-satellite missile test for fear of escalation and upsetting world's power balance. Chinese military infrastructure would definitely be better compared to India, not just be'cos the ASAT weapon. From its inception, chinese space capabilities have been associated with its long range inter-continental ballistic missile programs. Their satellites needed to be configured to spy on russian, american installations near its borders. There is no reason why these asserts cannot be used against india. India has taken steps like the recent satellite launch with synthetic aperture radar developed with Israel's assistance. Both the countries are mulling an aero-space command, but i believe china with pla will head there first. With India catching up.

A proposal by Indian navy to seek a military satellite of its own has been met with opposition not from china, But from its sister service the iaf, while china under pla goes ahead unhindered.

ISRO has been reluctant to oblige to indian military needs, as it is already under Us sanctions and doesn't want to attract more, from eu, and japan for alleged transfer of any dual use technology. The chinese military space program has no such restriction, does it now?
Considering these Chinese capabilities in the aerospace military prowness should be better than Indian capabilities.

You're also forgetting a crucial factor:

Chinese missiles in Tibet are a lot closer to major Indian cities than vice versa. Hence they can lob a lot more missiles than India can lob back (including the fact that the Indian ballistic missile program is hardly mature.

 

[proud_hindustani]

It would be a major doomsday to India if he alone goes for two-front war against Pakistan and India. If Israel, USA and Russia joins with us, then we can defeat both countries easily.

btw such circumstance is never gonna happen.

 

[ppgj]

That we have not fought such a simultaneous war already is proof enough of what the enemy thinks of indias capability.

the nukes are the deterrence.
the better reason may be - china won't be foolish to try and damage herself particularly when they are concentrating to be a world power. even india would not be interested to jeopardise the growth it is posting.

Kargil could have been a major war with china joining in if it wanted to and not a cheap shot by pakistan.

i think they did try. infact just about that time there was aggressive chinese actions at the border.remember gen. musharraf was in beijing when his conversation was taped and publicised by india.
belgrade bombing of the chinese embassy by the US deterred them(rumoured). though this has never been officially confirmed definitely there is more than what meets the eye.
will try and get some links.

 

[pankaj nema]

It would be a major doomsday to India if he alone goes for two-front war against Pakistan and India. If Israel, USA and Russia joins with us, then we can defeat both countries easily.

btw such circumstance is never gonna happen.

we have a treaty of military cooperation only with Russia .So if we invoke it only
RUSSIA will help initially.others might join later.

this 2 front war can happen when we respond to pakistan' provocation the next time

 

[nitesh]

here is the link which says all about great Chinese capabilities


India Reactivates Air Base Close to China in Kashmir | News | English

Adding that China made 24 attempts to take hold of the Dalulatbeg air base during the last India-Pakistan conflict in Kargil, Stobdan says India has awakened late to the problem.

 

[johnee]

Chinese capabilities are exaggeratted and over-rated!

 

[Yusuf]

the nukes are the deterrence.
the better reason may be - china won't be foolish to try and damage herself particularly when they are concentrating to be a world power. even india would not be interested to jeopardise the growth it is posting.

Whatever the reason, we are not going to face the Chinese in a full fledged war are we?

 

[ppgj]

Whatever the reason, we are not going to face the Chinese in a full fledged war are we?

ofcourse not. i was only giving different reason for that. that is all.
i agreed with you on your post to which i replied.

 

[Yusuf]

we have a treaty of military cooperation only with Russia .So if we invoke it only
RUSSIA will help initially.others might join later.

this 2 front war can happen when we respond to pakistan' provocation the next time

Wrong. Russia will not "join" India in any war. It may pump in arms and ammunition and make money out of it like other major arms exporters, but will not put its soldiers on the ground for India.

On your second point, Pakistan knows it cannot win a war with India. So there will never be another war. It tried a new policy in Kargil and even that failed.

 

[badguy2000]

why can such a absurd thread attract so replies?

In a word, without the support from USA or Russia, India could have not chance to win a long-term war against CHina,let alone a two front war with China and pakistan.

Without the support from China or USA,Pakistan also could have not chance to win a long-term war against India.

that is the simple case: the final of wars is decided by the power banlance, instead of nationlism or patriotism balance.

 

[Yusuf]

BG, this thread is just to discuss scenarios on how and what could happen. Read all the posts by various senior members who keep telling its an unlikely thing that a war will happen between the two countries.

 

[Vladimir79]

It would be a major doomsday to India if he alone goes for two-front war against Pakistan and India. If Israel, USA and Russia joins with us, then we can defeat both countries easily.

btw such circumstance is never gonna happen.

How did Israel get in there? Zios don't give a rats behind about India and in a war against China, neither will USA. Russia is the only possibility and is highly doubtfull we would engage in a shooting match. We would provide arms, ammunition, and cut off energy and weapon supplies to China. This would be enough to cripple the higher end of PLAAF and put a strain on their war effort, probably enough for India to stop them and gain some ground in a counter attack. If India wanted Russia to actually attack, they should have joined CSTO. They were too busy walking the fence for that.

 

[Vladimir79]

In a word, without the support from USA or Russia, India could have not chance to win a long-term war against CHina,let alone a two front war with China and pakistan.

that is the simple case: the final of wars is decided by the power banlance, instead of nationlism or patriotism balance.

Actually, wars are decided by logistics. China gets most of her fuel by sea from the ME and India will easily be able to put an end to that. With that and an embargo from Russia and Chinese economy will come to a crashing halt. You will have to sequester all remaining civilian petrol to run the army campaign depriving the people of their autos. Industries will shut down keeping hundreds of millions out of work. India's first target will be Three Gorges which will kill 74 million people and make hundreds of millions destitute. Tibetan and Uighur revolutionaries will run wild. With the ensuing chaos local governments will fall and working its way to Beijing, the CCP will have no choice but to surrender. Logistics defeated Hannibal, Napleon, Hitler and every other general with a big head and China is in no position to change this fact.

 

[blade]

Blade what makes you feel Chinese have a better military satellite infrastructure?? Is it from the number of satellites they have launched or because they have tested a ASAT weapon??

As we all know its very recently India has decided to have dedicated military satelites of her own. Its though possible that some of her already existing civilian satelites are capable enough to provide some kind of spying but the lack of a genuine military satelite will certainly put India in back foot aginst china.
Now talking about ASAT it may be a big stunt and gimmic as its not a very big issue destrying one's own satelite for which you already have detailed kinetic and positional details.