If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan...

[Vinod2070]

there is something called Islamic summit confrence ....and after Aghfan and Iraq war it was decided that if there is a war against any other muslim countries....they will help by any means...just like bosnian war ;-) so chill out dude im not blabbing around here

What about Bosnia war? Which country's army went to Bosnia to defent those hapless people? Don't watch too much of Zaid Hamid!

Regarding all Islamic countries coming together, it ain't happening. More likely the wars will be between two Muslim states rather than with a non-Muslim one.

Then the simple rule of maths.

0+0+0+0+0.... still equals 0!

 

[WaleedGilani]

What about Bosnia war? Which country's army went to Bosnia to defent those hapless people? Don't watch too much of Zaid Hamid!

Regarding all Islamic countries coming together, it ain't happening. More likely the wars will be between two Muslim states rather than with a non-Muslim one.

Then the simple rule of maths.

0+0+0+0+0.... still equals 0!

im not getting in this arugument and this is my last post on this topic.....Pakistani and Egyptions UN troops were deployed in Bosnia :blum3:

 

[Vinod2070]

Did they take part in any fighting?

How many were they?

The UN did squat there, its the US which saved the lives.

 

[WaleedGilani]

Did they take part in any fighting?

How many were they?

The UN did squat there, its the US which saved the lives.

twenty thousand + pakistani troops and they gave ration weapons and everything to the mujahedeen fighting there.....rite under un nose

 

[Vinod2070]

Again, those "Mujahideen" did nothing to save lives. They killed sme Serbs with equal brutality, that's all.

The lives were saved by the USA.

 

[johnq]

We need 300,000 well-armed and well-equipped troops stationed in the Arunachal, Sikkim, Ladakh area permanently, ahead of any conflict with China. This is so that they are well acclimatized to the high altitude (cold weather, thin air). This number of troops should be in addition to the numbers currently engaged against insurgencies or Pakistan. The main advantage that China now has is the greater number of well-acclimatized troops and equipment stationed in Tibet. We also need to get mobile artillery units inducted and deliveries begun rightaway on an emergency basis, to narrow the gap vis a vis China.

The main problem in 1962 war that Indian troops had was lack of acclimatization and lack of proper equipment to fight with. We urgently need to take care of these problems.

 

[Sabir]

Very true. Specially the North-East is connected with rest of India through a very narrow corridor. Link with Ladakh is also very fragile.So it is important to deploy a researve force there so that any Chinese invasion can be countered even without reinforcement from other parts. The troops deployed there must be well acquinted with the terrain and also with the probable strategy that would be adopted in case of emergency.
Incase of a two front war our strategy will be to get rid of Pakistan as soon as possible (specially there air-force and navy) while holding China at bay. India is increasing the number of Su-30 MKI. Along with it we need long range aircrafts that can carry good load of ammunitions to carrry on attack on Pak ground targets.

Government has taken the very prudent decision of deploying Su-30 MKI in Andamaan. Units of air-defence systems must be deployed in Andamaan to insulate this base from any Chinese attack. Basically Andamaan is a God gifted natural and unsinkable aircraft carrier for India and we have to make full use of it to prevent entrance of Chinese armada in Indian Ocean. (Because in case of a war we need to cut Chinese oil supply and and any assistance to Pakistan via sea rute.) Andamaan must host ASW copters and planes to do the job effectively. Long range strike capability of Sukhoi aircrafts, ASW capabilities , ability to lunch cruise missiles like Brahmos from air-earth-sea and last but not the least-a good control and communication system will be mandatary to keep PLAAN war ships out side Indian Ocean.

We are including 6 Phalcon AEW&C but we need to include our indigenous systems too(even if they are inferior to Phalcons) for more secured vigilance. We need to give thrust in projects like Akash, Barak-2 and if posible to include more sophistacated SPYDER system to guard our cities and other strategic points.

Hope within next couple of years Agni -III will be deployed which has the capability to target farther areas in China thus providing a fitting reply to Chinese missiles.

Fotunately, there are lot of projects undertaken to be in a position to effectively counter both of our neighbours in necessity. Inclusion of Sukhoi PAKFA/FGFA, MCA, mark-2 versions of LCA, MMRCA aircrafts, Scorpene and other 6 Submarines, the aircraft carriers , 6 ATVs and leased SSN (Advance Akula-II) , joint ventures with israel to develop barak-2 - a long list is there. Only we have to ensure they would come up in time. Private players like Tata, Mahindra, Godrej, L&T are comeing in defence industry, a lot of Jvs with global majors like Boeing, Dassualt, Saab -we can expect our defence industry to be more matured and more efficient in coming days. So if every thing goes on properly we will not onl leave Pakistan much behind we can match China too (atleast in our den) and also a qualititive advantage over them. So keep fingers crossed.....

 

[nitesh]

I thinkw e should consider these developments here

India's naval buildup a tryst with destiny - upiasia.com

Strangely though, some of the most compelling reasons for India’s naval expansion may actually be land related. It is now widely known that India’s naval moves in the summer of 1999 helped end the Kargil conflict with Pakistan. When faced with the prospect of a long drawn-out naval blockade, Pakistan backed off and realized just how easily the Indian navy could gain sea control.

Policymakers in India sat up and took notice as well. They realized that the Indian Navy could prove a decisive factor in resolving a stalemate in the mountains. Defense Minister Jaswant Singh publicly stated in 2001 that the government had made the development of the navy a key priority. That support has continued even though the governing dispensation in New Delhi has changed.

India’s naval moves also play a central role in ongoing military tensions and long-term rivalry with China. India and its island territories sit astride some of the busiest shipping lanes in the world, through which most of East Asia’s oil flows. The ability to interdict these supplies gives India a strategic bargaining tool that can be used vis-à-vis its northern neighbor in the event of a conflict over the northeastern state of Arunachal Pradesh in the Himalayas.

In a recent seminar held at Port Blair, former Indian president and missile scientist Abdul Kalam suggested permanently basing naval assets such as carriers and nuclear submarines in the island chain, upgrading air defenses, and setting up a 250-megawatt nuclear reactor. It looks like India is set to future-proof itself against Chinese moves in the Indian Ocean.

and
New N-E division with eye on China? - India - NEWS - The Times of India

 

[johnq]

Sabir,

The first thing I expect PLA to do is a saturated (conventional) ballistic missile and cruise missile attack against all our military installations, so that all the MKIs, other military equipment, and military infrastructure is destroyed. For this we need massive quantities of ABMs that can intercept ballistic missiles with ranges up to 5000 km; and anti-cruise missiles controlled by AWACS. Since cruise missiles have very low rcs, we need large quantities of AWACS that can detect low rcs targets very far away and guide anti-cruise missiles (with terminal IIR seekers) to intercept them. The other part of the strategy would be to do the same kind of thing to PLA, i.e. a saturated ballistic missile/cruise missile attack against PLA bases. Plus having all these missiles aimed at PLA bases would also act as a deterrent.

Nitesh,

We need at least 3 aircraft carriers, with several nuclear attack submarines to protect each carrier from Chini attack submarines. We also need missile defence against cruise missiles/ballistic missiles for each carrier battle group.

If we can keep our navy protected from Chini missiles, then a naval blockade by Indian navy would also deter China.

 

[ahmedsid]

The Chinese wont launch BM attacks, because they know that we might think its a Nuke BM and Nuke them back. There is no way to identify a conventional BM or a Nuke tipped BM, atleast as far as I know.

Cruise missiles will be used by both China and Pakistan, and It will be a headache, but its something we can still counter. Our fighter jets and SAMs et al can take care of it, but still we need to beef up our SAM systems, because the threat of the cruise missiles is increasing day by day.

 

[amitkriit]

The Chinese wont launch BM attacks, because they know that we might think its a Nuke BM and Nuke them back. There is no way to identify a conventional BM or a Nuke tipped BM, atleast as far as I know.

Cruise missiles will be used by both China and Pakistan, and It will be a headache, but its something we can still counter. Our fighter jets and SAMs et al can take care of it, but still we need to beef up our SAM systems, because the threat of the cruise missiles is increasing day by day.

As long as NATO is present in Asia, China is not going to disturb the tranquility of this region, even if Indo-China battle takes place, it will be fought around Siliguri Corridor, Arunachal and Himachal. No exchange of BMs will ever take place in civilian areas, because India has got sufficient capability to retaliate, and at that point, situation can spiral out of control, which may not be in benefit of China.

Pakistan won't support China blindly either, they silently voted in favor of India in recent Indo-China showoff for the Arunachal funds at ADB.This time, India won't stop Dalai Lama - India - NEWS - The Times of India

 

[ahmedsid]

As long as NATO is present in Asia, China is not going to disturb the tranquility of this region, even if Indo-China battle takes place, it will be fought around Siliguri Corridor, Arunachal and Himachal. No exchange of BMs will ever take place in civilian areas, because India has got sufficient capability to retaliate, and at that point, situation can spiral out of control, which may not be in benefit of China.

Pakistan won't support China blindly either, they silently voted in favor of India in recent Indo-China showoff for the Arunachal funds at ADB.This time, India won't stop Dalai Lama - India - NEWS - The Times of India

I never said they will use BMs, read my post again. BMs are a possibilty, and only a fool would discount pak or china using it!

 

[AkhandBharat]

The Chinese wont launch BM attacks, because they know that we might think its a Nuke BM and Nuke them back. There is no way to identify a conventional BM or a Nuke tipped BM, atleast as far as I know.

Cruise missiles will be used by both China and Pakistan, and It will be a headache, but its something we can still counter. Our fighter jets and SAMs et al can take care of it, but still we need to beef up our SAM systems, because the threat of the cruise missiles is increasing day by day.

Fighter Jets and SAMs don't take out missile barrage. Which is why India is developing its missile shield knowing full well, that we need it more than the United States given our geo-politicial situation.

 

[ahmedsid]

Fighter Jets and SAMs don't take out missile barrage. Which is why India is developing its missile shield knowing full well, that we need it more than the United States given our geo-politicial situation.

lol read up mate! Figher Jets take out Cruise Missiles! They dont take out ballistic missiles! Do do a bit more reading before making such claims! The Russians claimed their Mig31s could have taken out like 90% of tomahawks fired at Iraq!!!! Our Su30s can do the same, better!

Cruise missiles are highly vulnerable to fire, since they travel below mach.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

As long as NATO is present in Asia, China is not going to disturb the tranquility of this region, even if Indo-China battle takes place, it will be fought around Siliguri Corridor, Arunachal and Himachal. No exchange of BMs will ever take place in civilian areas, because India has got sufficient capability to retaliate, and at that point, situation can spiral out of control, which may not be in benefit of China.

Pakistan won't support China blindly either, they silently voted in favor of India in recent Indo-China showoff for the Arunachal funds at ADB.This time, India won't stop Dalai Lama - India - NEWS - The Times of India

any mischief by the Chinese will guarantee a pro USA policy by India for decades to come.

 

[AkhandBharat]

Did you read what I just wrote?

Fighter jets don't take out missile barrages.

By the time India scrambles its fighter jets those missiles will be raining in our territory. We need a missile shield to counter it, not fighters. Fighters will be used next, to ensure air superiority.

Moreover

Cruise missiles are highly vulnerable to fire, since they travel below mach.

is not true anymore. It was back in the days. Learn to apply your mind before blurting out responses like these.

Here are a few links to keep you abreast of the latest developments in cruise missiles. Just compare them with the top speed of the fighters we have and apply simple math and you'll get the point.

Modern cruise missiles can travel at supersonic or high subsonic speeds, are self-navigating, and fly on a non-ballistic very low altitude trajectory to avoid radar detection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_missile

BrahMos is a supersonic cruise missile that can be launched from submarines, ships, aircraft or land. It is a joint venture between India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Russia's NPO Mashinostroeyenia who have together formed the BrahMos Aerospace Private Limited

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmos

A hypersonic version of Brahmos is already in development.

Supersonic

These missiles travel faster than the speed of sound, usually using ramjet engines. The range is typically 100-500 km, but can be greater. Guidance systems vary.
BrahMos at the Indian Republic Day Parade

Examples:

* Supersonic Low Altitude Missile (SLAM) (not to be confused with the similarly named subsonic Standoff Land Attack Missile) and SM-64 Navaho were U.S. early-cold-war era projects for strategic long-range cruise missiles. Neither was accepted into service.
* P-500 Bazalt (Soviet Union/Russia)
* P-270 Moskit "Sunburn" (Soviet Union/Russia)
* P-800 Oniks (Soviet Union)
* P-700 Granit (Soviet Union/Russia)
* 3M-54 Klub (Russia) supersonic terminal stage only
* C-101 (China)
* C-301 (China)
* C-803 (China) supersonic terminal stage only
* C-805 (China)
* KD-88 (China)
* YJ-91 (China)
* BrahMos (India/Russia)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_missile#Supersonic_cruise_missile

Repeat after me: Fighter jets do not take out modern cruise missiles. To avoid such missile barrages, India needs an effective Missile shield system

 

[LETHALFORCE]

The Chinese wont launch BM attacks, because they know that we might think its a Nuke BM and Nuke them back. There is no way to identify a conventional BM or a Nuke tipped BM, atleast as far as I know.

Cruise missiles will be used by both China and Pakistan, and It will be a headache, but its something we can still counter. Our fighter jets and SAMs et al can take care of it, but still we need to beef up our SAM systems, because the threat of the cruise missiles is increasing day by day.

Cruise missiles use may also be limited in the moutain terrain of the Northeast, also Chinese are fighting at a disadvantage from lower ground to higher ground, in most cases.

 

[ahmedsid]

Did you read what I just wrote?

Fighter jets don't take out missile barrage

By the time India scrambles its fighter jets those missiles will be raining in our territory. We need a missile shield to counter it, not fighters. Fighters will be used next, to ensure air superiority.

I did!!! You do know that our Fighters can engage many targets at once then take on more?? You do know that Cruise Missile launches can be detected!

Our current defences not that great, but in a decade, our Satellites and other equipements like AWACS will be scouring for any such launches, and thus our fighters and sams will go into action!

If Russians can say they can take off 90% Of tomahawks fired at Iraq (thats a hell of of CMs) then with 240 Su30s and the MRCAs and Sams, we too can accomplish a much better deal!

 

[ahmedsid]

Cruise missiles use may also be limited in the moutain terrain of the Northeast, also Chinese are fighting at a disadvantage from lower ground to higher ground, in most cases.

The Pakistanis have an advantage here! They can use CMs with much success. Hence my concerns on this. We need to strengthen our defences against these threats.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

I did!!! You do know that our Fighters can engage many targets at once then take on more?? You do know that Cruise Missile launches can be detected!

Our current defences not that great, but in a decade, our Satellites and other equipements like AWACS will be scouring for any such launches, and thus our fighters and sams will go into action!

If Russians cant say they can take off 90% Of tomahawks fired at Iraq (thats a hell of of CMs) then with 240 Su30s and the MRCAs and Sams, we too can accomplish a much better deal!

AESA radar, and MMR radar on LCA should pick up most of if not all of the cruise missiles even if AWACS are not in the vicinity and act on the information.