If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan...

[natarajan]

why mms doest want tibet as people there dont want to be in chinese control but our govenment accepted tibet as chinese one

 

[hbogyt]

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why mms doest want tibet as people there dont want to be in chinese control but our govenment accepted tibet as chinese one

OOE has already answered it perfectly.

 

[hbogyt]

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Nope. Drones are corps and divisonal assets.

So is the recent joint counter-terrorism exercise with Russia divisional action? Drones were deployed.

Are the regular hand-launched drones divisional assets as well. They don't seem to be that valueable.


[In a lighter tone]: Yes, you do imply stuff. You often list some facts, and then ask why we can' get the gist.

 

[Ray]

The US is working in the same way as it did to break up the USSR.

In fact, they are doing better with China.

Having encouraged China to 'open up' to capitalism and greed, they have divided the Chinese society - the rural and the urban divide, the remote areas and the coastal area divide.

The CCP is losing the tight control it had on society as they had during Mao's time. There is an article in this very forum that finds sex workers more reliable than the Chinese govt!

Then there is this ethnic divide - the Tibetans and the Uighurs who refuse to be Hanised!

China is in big trouble.

Not only the US is out to do another USSR on China but the AQ has also joined in. Already the Chinese are getting a hiding in Algeria.

China is now facing reality and smelling the coffee!

The US has already drawn China into an arms race like it did to USSR and caused their ruin!

Give the US some time and China will keel over and play dead!

 

[SATISH]

The more aid America is offering Pakistan the Moreit distances itself with China. The Af-Pak strategy is turning out to be encircling China rather than fighting the Taliban. Soon we will see LeT kind of suicide bombings in China.

 

[macintosh]

The US is working in the same way as it did to break up the USSR.

In fact, they are doing better with China.

Having encouraged China to 'open up' to capitalism and greed, they have divided the Chinese society - the rural and the urban divide, the remote areas and the coastal area divide.

The CCP is losing the tight control it had on society as they had during Mao's time. There is an article in this very forum that finds sex workers more reliable than the Chinese govt!

Then there is this ethnic divide - the Tibetans and the Uighurs who refuse to be Hanised!

China is in big trouble.

Not only the US is out to do another USSR on China but the AQ has also joined in. Already the Chinese are getting a hiding in Algeria.

China is now facing reality and smelling the coffee!

The US has already drawn China into an arms race like it did to USSR and caused their ruin!

Give the US some time and China will keel over and play dead!

Sir ji but now-a-days Washington needs Beijing more than ever before as Beijing holds more than 800 Bn $ of US debt. And China also values it's relationship with Washington more than with it's relationship with any other Nation(even Russia). US companies need cheap labor of China and China the markets of US. Indeed on the recent engagement between chinese and US officials the US doesn't even raised the Human right issues for the first time. Germany and Australia are already GaGa over China. Actually considering the Economic and military clout of China except for a few sporadic incidents of violence it is hard to imagine the Disintegration of China. Instead within a few decades the Taiwan will become engaged with china more and more like an autonomus Region if not become one.

 

[macintosh]

The more aid America is offering Pakistan the Moreit distances itself with China. The Af-Pak strategy is turning out to be encircling China rather than fighting the Taliban. Soon we will see LeT kind of suicide bombings in China.

Man that day will never happen as LeT is controlled by ISI and you know ISI will always trust China more than US on any day. As far as your first comment is considered it is taken from a TOI article with which I disagree since US can only use mercenaries against China and there is no point in the comment that "US has almost 98000 soldiers from South korea to Afganistan" as there will never be a direct war between them. China is instead also encircling US by making strong ties with Latin Americans.Moreover why will pakistan distance itself from china??? huh:
After the F-16 ficaso Pakistan has learnt to make use of US to procure as much as possible and to take china's help otherwise.

 

[SATISH]

Man that day will never happen as LeT is controlled by ISI and you know ISI will always trust China more than US on any day. As far as your first comment is considered it is taken from a TOI article with which I disagree since US can only use mercenaries against China and there is no point in the comment that "US has almost 98000 soldiers from South korea to Afganistan" as there will never be a direct war between them. China is instead also encircling US by making strong ties with Latin Americans.

LeT and JuD have aided AQ and Taliban to destabilize Pakistan - Reheman Malik. You think LeT is still controlled by the ISI? They have grown into a monster that cannot be controlled.

 

[amitkriit]

China will pay for it's over-aggressive diplomacy in long-run. I have seen a profound change in Sri Lankan/Nepalse/Bhutanese/Bangladeshi attitude towards India, they have recognized the fact that only reason China is helping them is because China wants to use them as a bait against India, they are not as innocent as they pretend to be. Our hostile neighbours will also recognize this fact today or tomorrow. Indian soft-power is returning dividents.

This is no secret that there are dis-satisfactions and unrests inside India as well, but they are manifested on time due to open nature of our society/state; In this respect China is sitting on a time bomb, waiting to go off when government is most vulnerable.
[One loophole remains in this theory though, China is more homogenous compared to India, so China can actually decide to bear with these unrests while mobilizing all resources on Indian front, Han nationalism can act as a strong uniting factor.]

Logistics and management of resources may prove to be another major problem for China in wake of war, because they will have to keep their eyes open on their eastern and western borders as well. Too much secrecy and inconsistancy sometimes harms the source more than anybody else.

I really doubt that Pakistan will ever join this war, they have their own share of problem, which are sufficient to keep them busy. Recent news suggest that rebels in Balochistan have already decided to declare formal independence. Indian and western presence in Afghanistan will also act as a deterrance.

But what if China decides to use WMDs against civilian population, to break our morale?

 

[macintosh]

LeT and JuD have aided AQ and Taliban to destabilize Pakistan - Reheman Malik. You think LeT is still controlled by the ISI? They have grown into a monster that cannot be controlled.

You Believed that.
Really ??? :dazed: :dazed:

He is trying to fool everyone in the International community so that LeT and ISI are seen as distanced. He also said ISI was purged of all the bad elements. It is their trick my dear. Don't trust them.

 

[p2prada]

Prada,

If you think back on the M-16 Rifle and its first deployment, you would get what OoE is trying to say regarding the F-INSAS.

I don't know what happened.

 

[Yusuf]

The use of nukes is highly unlikely according to me and even military pros like Brig Ray and Col OoE who have far more understanding than us say so.

 

[tharikiran]

I don't know what happened.

M16 Jammed a lot.

 

[macintosh]

The use of nukes is highly unlikely according to me and even military pros like Brig Ray and Col OoE who have far more understanding than us say so.

Man just one question and no offence is intended.

Why on earth you believe that we should not even discuss it???
I mean if you have them then atleast discuss it.
If the army says lets forget about the discussion on Nukes since it is Highly Unlikely to be used then only they will be unprepared.

So kindly .....

Regards.

 

[natarajan]

after all we are human beings and tends to change at anytime so once a action done cannot be reversed like japan nuked by usa

 

[Yusuf]

Man just one question and no offence is intended.

Why on earth you believe that we should not even discuss it???
I mean if you have them then atleast discuss it.
If the army says lets forget about the discussion on Nukes since it is Highly Unlikely to be used then only they will be unprepared.

So kindly .....

Regards.

But we are discussing it. Some are saying nukes will be used. Some are saying no.

Just because we have it we are not going to use it. My opinion. You are entitled to yours.

The army is prepared for everything including nuclear war. They train fir all situation. Infact the Indian army is one of the better prepared armies in the world to fight a NBC war.

 

[Adux]

The use of nukes is highly unlikely according to me and even military pros like Brig Ray and Col OoE who have far more understanding than us say so.

The Colonel said that in the context of a border war, A Two front war will hit at the very heart of India's survival, the gravity of a border war and a two front war are both very different. So decide on which you need to debate.

 

[Adux]

America's has promised the Chinese that they will pay nearly $1 Trillion and a little more at a future date. At more than 70% of their Reserves, who is in more trouble? China or US. If it was around 10-15% of Reserves, it would have been a choke on US, but when it is a trillion and more, it is China who is in trouble. Those I OWE YOU notes will be worth less than tissue paper if US decides so.

 

[Yusuf]

The Colonel said that in the context of a border war, A Two front war will hit at the very heart of India's survival, the gravity of a border war and a two front war are both very different. So decide on which you need to debate.

The next war if at all it happens between India and china will also be a border war.

 

[Adux]

The next war if at all it happens between India and china will also be a border war.

You cannot say that, and also the topic of discussion is on the eventuality that India will face when a two-front war is thrust on her. Your point is off topic for the topic at hand.