If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan...

[hbogyt]

Does Indian army deploy drones?

 

[Daredevil]

Does Indian army deploy drones?

No. But, India has UAVs (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles) used for spying/reconnaissance.

 

[hbogyt]

The Chinese army deploys drones.

Does it make a difference.

 

[SATISH]

I dont think Chinese Army has UCAVs capable of any serious considerations.

 

[tharikiran]

Israel Sells Drones to India
Israel sells Drones to India

this was back in 2005

From what I have read about Herons. They can
be used for precision targeting too.

 

[Adux]

India has been deploying drones for a long time, Heck there is talk of UCAV development now,did you forget one of our drones crash landed in Pakistan.

 

[tharikiran]

India has been deploying drones for a long time, Heck there is talk of UCAV development now,did you forget one of our drones crash landed in Pakistan.

yes, Have read about Pakistani F16 shooting down an Indian drone.

 

[Officer of Engineers]

And the east bloc soldiers live with that reality. Unreal.

Elites live with the responsibilities of the Elites. Soviet Air Assault have a very specific tasking vis-a-vi NATO. Their responsiblity was to disrput REFORGER left, right, and centre.

Did this happen in the early 80s or late 80s sir? If it was the late 80s then Siachen may have been a deterring factor for any action from both sides.

circa 1986.

I don't understand. Do you imply our media was playing it down or were incompetent?

I'm a military man. I don't imply anything. I state things outright. Indian research of the 1962 War is pitiful. You couldn't even tell me what is company level and what is battalion level PLA actions.

True they fought each other.

You're not understanding. The majority of the Tibetans have already chosen sides ... and they're not choosing India. The War of the Gods (Mao and Dali Lama) has been decided ... and BAYWATCH won.

I really want you to think about what I have just written.

That's one reason why Pakistani doctrine specifically states the use of Nuclear Weapons against India if large scale subversive activities are reported. Never underestimate the determination of a few people untied in one goal. It always bites back when it's least expected.

I ain't impress about Pakistani nuclear bluff and I do mean bluff.

You mean People's Armed Police force. Are they Tibetans or some other minority? I don't know.

The CAPF (China Armed Police Force) is local recruited. It is POLICE, not an occupation force. Police has been and always will be a local enforcement, meaning the Police in Tibet are Tibettans, not Han-Chinese.

They number more than a million. I am sure majority of them will be Han Chinese.

The majority is Han Chinese mainly because they police Han Chinese but Uyghars police Uyghars and Tibettans police Tibetans.

I will not deny anything. All of this is true. We even had serving officers coming out with criticism some years ago. Something about using WW2 strategies and tactics even today.

You're not understanding. The Chinese went off the curve. I would have thought it obvious. The battalion-brigade-group army model is doomed to failure.

We are also working on new modular assault rifles, better winter clothing and food. The new rifles will have the basic single shot, burst and automatic firing capability and capable of firing 3 different calibers.

Stupidity and it shows that who design this spec is a freaking idiot.

I am not able to comment on it. But, we have conducted quite a few exercises that involved NBC and net centric warfare(Though it's not yet reached Corps level).

Stop!

I have stated often that the US FM 3.0 is THE DOCUMENT to read. Cold Start and WZC are poor cousins trying to replicate that document. Read FM 3.0 first, then you can understand why India and China are trying to do what they're doing.

 

[Officer of Engineers]

What has that to do with the document.
The document is for every one to have a look at.The guy has written facts and the Indian artillery did a good job.

The document is written by a Captain with limited understanding of the brigade/divisional requirements.

 

[Officer of Engineers]

The Chinese army deploys drones.

Does it make a difference.

Nope. Drones are corps and divisonal assets.

 

[Kabuli]

Colonel,


As per my previous posts, neither India not China is interested in a war right now!


We have to remove our poverty, inequalities and modernise and that is only feasible if there is peace!

Exactly, the only ones who benefit from your conflict are your enemies.

 

[Officer of Engineers]

Exactly, the only ones who benefit from your conflict are your enemies.

War benefits no one, not even the victors.

 

[hit&run]

at OoE The battalion-brigade-group army model is doomed to failure. so what's the salvation. Do you think unified command will help. Won't u give benifit of doubt to the former as far as India Is concerned?

 

[Officer of Engineers]

Vis-a-vi the Chinese? In the end, they will go the Western/Indian model of brigade-division-corps model. The reason why battalion-brigade-group army will fail is the lack of proper reserves at the brigade level. Group Army does not hold enough reserves for brigade to exploit.

In essence, the Chinese will have to adapt our reserve model (3 up, 1 back) instead of theirs (7 up, 1 back). They still prefer theirs (1 General can decide 3 regimental action rather relying on 3 Colonels) but the battalion-brigade-group army relies on an officer corps ... that in fact in Asia, exists only in India.

 

[hit&run]

So it is a test of bravery verses logistics. Uffff... How long it will take for India if we start today.or is it merely a question of mentality?

 

[F-14]

Sir this brigade-division-corps that we follow is a direct result of the IA's close relation with the British Army does the Canadian forces Land command follow the brigade-division-corps model to please enlighten me sir

 

[Adux]

OoE,

Is there terrain advantages inside lets say Tibet for an advancing Army to exploit? How would envisage a war for Tibet? However far from reality it may sound? Do bear with me,

I think it was a stroke of genius when Field Marshall Manekshaw decided to to take on Pakistani's in East Pakistan(Bangladesh) December when the pass's on the Chinese border with India are closed. Negating a Chinese intervention, How could India do the same to China for Tibet? Also, What are the glaring security gaps you see in the Indian Defence forces, (for example I see: I see network centric warfare and Close Air Support gunships etc)

 

[p2prada]

I'm a military man. I don't imply anything. I state things outright. Indian research of the 1962 War is pitiful. You couldn't even tell me what is company level and what is battalion level PLA actions.

Understandable.

You're not understanding. The majority of the Tibetans have already chosen sides ... and they're not choosing India. The War of the Gods (Mao and Dali Lama) has been decided ... and BAYWATCH won.

I really want you to think about what I have just written.

Sir, I understood your point. 2 factions fighting each other. One faction helps CCP gain control over Tibet by routing the other faction that takes refuge in India and other states. So, we must not really expect the indigenous populations in Tibet to support India. But, that cannot take away the fact that most Tibetans are not soldiers even if they are acclimatised. On our side we have acclimatised soldiers on the Chinese side of the border and are experienced in fighting.

I ain't impress about Pakistani nuclear bluff and I do mean bluff.

Sir, Could you give out some details about Pakistan's Nuclear capability if possible.

The CAPF (China Armed Police Force) is local recruited. It is POLICE, not an occupation force. Police has been and always will be a local enforcement, meaning the Police in Tibet are Tibettans, not Han-Chinese.

The majority is Han Chinese mainly because they police Han Chinese but Uyghars police Uyghars and Tibettans police Tibetans.

And the Iraqis police Iraqis and the Afghanis police Afghanis. My point was how many soldiers from Tibet are recruited annually by PLA. Soldiers matter, not police.

Stupidity and it shows that who design this spec is a freaking idiot.

This design may be a prototype meant for our F-INSAS program. So expect it to be used only after 2012-14 period.

As for why it's stupid, I cannot comment on it.

 

[Adux]

Prada,

If you think back on the M-16 Rifle and its first deployment, you would get what OoE is trying to say regarding the F-INSAS.

 

[amitkriit]

I have learnt through some Nepalese media that India has recently opened an Airstrip close to bhutan border, and is negotiating with Nepal to get Nepalese land for the purpose of construction of "Airstrip" nearby kalapani. Can anybody add on to it?