If India has to go for a two fronts war against China and Pakistan...

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Oh very much count the Americans in. They will back India in a war against what it sees as its next big challenge. They wouldnt mind India making them bite dust.
 

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Whoever comes in support of India will not receive chinese missiles on India's behalf. So India has to make its own preparation.
India is investing heavily in air defence and anti-submarine warfare. note, submarines are backbones of both PN and PLAAF. and within few years India will have most extensive air defence network after USA and Israil. So in long run India can withstand against missiles of neighbours and it will remain formidable power in Indian Ocean.

Any Guess,what India should do to incapacitate China in short time without nuke?
 

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well India can't do war with both .India must include USA,Isreal,EU in this by signing war pact and alow US to establish base in north east or alow them to put missile shield there.. also India should precure any outstanding millitary buy as soon as possible(mrca,missile programme,)
 

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It is very clear that if ever China and India goes into war, then pakistan will surely try to use the situation for its advantage. It will surely try to occupy Kashmir. So Whatever procurement we are doing today from foreign industries, we should keep this factor in mind. we should have enough military armaments to take both of them at same time.
buying few AWACS wont help. we need more.........
 

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Assume it's year 2020. China and India ready to face each other and Pakistan has Joined their old alley. How India should counter enemies simultaneusly..what should be the proper strategy?

Dont say, You dont want a war. Wars are started by the politicians and fought by the soldiers. Suggest what would be your strategy if you are the decision maker.

(chosen 2020 as by the time military modernization programme of both China and India will be near completion. So take care of future inductions too, but logically)
more specific info is needed. why would china wanna attack, why would they wanna ally with pakistan.

once India knows China-Pakistan are in open military alliance against her,we will see unprecedented Indian military expansion, the kind we saw only after Indo-China war since independence. 60s was the best decade for our military expansion, India increased numbers by more than double and till date we continue with same numbers either its warships or fighters or tanks.

India will increase the numbers weapons, equipment and platforms being purchased, more importantly India will increase production of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles to deter our enemies.

there will be regular war excercises, mobilization, deployment on gigantic scale, the scale never seen before to frighten the enemy. something like operation brasstacks.

there will be more missiles tests, SSBN Patrols, Ballistic missiles with nuclear weapons will be deployed in ready to fire mode, fighters will regularly practice how to drop nuclear weapons.

Besides India may even sign military agreements with US and other western countries to get supply of equipment of ammunition, diplomatic support during war, ask western countries to put some pressure and break the alliance.

we may even dump no-first use policy warning enemies that if India is forced to conventional war on multiple fronts, we will use nuclear weapons to neutralize enemys war fighting capability. no first use policy is something India unilaterally following, just like unilateral moratorium on nuclear testing but when time comes both will go forgotten and dumped.
 

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Whoever comes in support of India will not receive chinese missiles on India's behalf. So India has to make its own preparation.
India is investing heavily in air defence and anti-submarine warfare. note, submarines are backbones of both PN and PLAAF. and within few years India will have most extensive air defence network after USA and Israil. So in long run India can withstand against missiles of neighbours and it will remain formidable power in Indian Ocean.

Any Guess,what India should do to incapacitate China in short time without nuke?
You think by sending a carrier group to the South China Sea in an offensive posture to put pressure on China will result in China firing nukes at the US? No you are wrong. China will feel that Taiwan may take advantage of this to declare independence. Then what? Will it fight a war on two fronts with the US backing Taiwan?

Also capability to withstand enemy missile doesnt make India formidable. Its our ability to inflict punitive damage that will.

India cannot incapacitate China or vice versa, and never in a short time. Yes we can put a lot of pressure on them by choking the Malaccas.But both are very large countries an cannot be incapacitated. A war of attrition with China is also not going to happen as it will hurt it economically as it will India and that is not acceptable to both.
 

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It is very clear that if ever China and India goes into war, then pakistan will surely try to use the situation for its advantage. It will surely try to occupy Kashmir. So Whatever procurement we are doing today from foreign industries, we should keep this factor in mind. we should have enough military armaments to take both of them at same time.
buying few AWACS wont help. we need more.........
may be India will open another front with the armor units still deployed in Indo-Pakistan front like in the 65 war. even if Pakistan tries something and succeeds in kashmir, after Indo-China is over, India can get back to Pakistan. unlike 1948, our military is much bigger and destructive.
 

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Why do you think India is doing all that it is doing in A-stan? What is India doing with an air base in Tajikistan? It is a nightmare for Pakistan as it knows this is Indias move to encircle it. Pakistan will have to fight on two fronts as well as its very much likely that we will have India troops in Astan on whatever pretext in the next few years after the Americans are tired.
 

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may be India will open another front with the armor units still deployed in Indo-Pakistan front like in the 65 war. even if Pakistan tries something and succeeds in kashmir, after Indo-China is over, India can get back to Pakistan. unlike 1948, our military is much bigger and destructive.
Are you sure about this. After finishing with China ( w/o Nuke) we would be drained almost. And I not sure our Politicians would go after Kashmir. Just like PoK.
 

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Why do you think India is doing all that it is doing in A-stan? What is India doing with an air base in Tajikistan? It is a nightmare for Pakistan as it knows this is Indias move to encircle it. Pakistan will have to fight on two fronts as well as its very much likely that we will have India troops in Astan on whatever pretext in the next few years after the Americans are tired.
would be nightmare to resupply anything in Afghanistan, its has to go through a long route via Iran. what if Iran denies access to India saying we have become too close to US? what if Afghanistan themselves dont want Indian military to fight Pakistan from their land because they just wouldn't want to be unecessarily dragged into Indo-Pak conflict.

if Tajikistan and Afghanistan are allowing Indian military to be based on their lands to fight Pakistan means Pakistan can and will attack both these countries. are they ready to be dragged into war and fight back Pakistan for India, a war they have nothing to do with?. in worst case scenario Pakistan may even nuclear weapons against these nations.

for all this Tajikistan, Afghanistan, India has to be in NATO like military alliance. I actually dunt see anything like that.
 

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No those bases are a reminder to Pakistan to refrain from any misadventure or else it might have to fight war on two fronts. Why else has it gone hammer and tongs over India in those places?

And do you think Pakistan can fight on so many fronts as well? What about its own loose provinces as well. Balochistan and Sindh? Those guys will rise as well. A lot of things have changed over the years. War doesnt seem to be likely.
 

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Are you sure about this. After finishing with China ( w/o Nuke) we would be drained almost. And I not sure our Politicians would go after Kashmir. Just like PoK.
we have to resupply the troops. some of our military will still be deployed in Indo-Pak boder because not the entire army is suited to fight in mountain terrain on Indo-China border.

our 3 armoured divisions and armoured brigades having thousands of tanks were prepared to fight in plans on Punjab and deserts of Rajasthan. So like in 1965, may be we will open second front down there.

even if a full-scale war like 1971 - India had forces split on three fronts, western front, chinese front, eastern front.
 

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it will be war of worlds . i doubt now that - our people are so blind and opressed that we accept what ever goveremnt feed us - we take it pinch of salt!!!

noway - we like to keep peace on both the side but if it will come to that - we are ready to go all the way - no hold back this time around - because what disgrace we suffered in 1962 - this time it will be worst than that - so its better to live with your head up high or not at all.

A war scenario is not as easy as some mightthink - india is not somebody's property - and a war between china and india means more harm to chinese economy.

we will suffer but china which got so high with all this hard work- i doubt they would like to go back to their stoneage for a lame arse region which is not their.
 

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we have to resupply the troops. some of our military will still be deployed in Indo-Pak boder because not the entire army is suited to fight in mountain terrain on Indo-China border.

our 3 armoured divisions and armoured brigades having thousands of tanks were prepared to fight in plans on Punjab and deserts of Rajasthan. So like in 1965, may be we will open second front down there.

even if a full-scale war like 1971 - India had forces split on three fronts, western front, chinese front, eastern front.
1- No guarantee that Pak will stop with Kashmir during this war.
2- we don't have the troops to split up on both fronts. we would need even us to fight the PLA.
3- 1971 war was not two front and we had no problems splitting up becuase the Pak Army is not as big as PLA.

I mean we cant give a blind eye towards Pak during this type of war.
 

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1.)Pakistan will open front at IB exerting its maximum force to target North India/new Delhi with possible use of nuclear tipped missiles.
2) will engage Indian arm forces at LOC with low level teasing Kargil like infiltration.
3) will insulate its Littoral waters and will try avoid any misadventure to attack distant Indian ports. (may use subs. in deep water to engage IN navy at its western shores).

1) china will fight Pakistan's war for 1971 will open front from AP Burma arc.
2) will try to capture maximum North east territories, target Assam, west Bengal (will use PLA primarily with air support (re insurging Bangladeshi terrorist out fits may infiltrate and cause low level insurgency in urban north east india)
3) Aggressive chines naval attack, isolate Indian supply routs and aid from allies(?US)
 

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1.)Pakistan will open front at IB exerting its maximum force to target North India/new Delhi with possible use of nuclear tipped missiles.
2) will engage Indian arm forces at LOC with low level teasing Kargil like infiltration.
3) will insulate its Littoral waters and will try avoid any misadventure to attack distant Indian ports. (may use subs. in deep water to engage IN navy at its western shores).

1) china will fight Pakistan's war for 1971 will open front from AP Burma arc.
2) will try to capture maximum North east territories, target Assam, west Bengal (will use PLA primarily with air support (re insurging Bangladeshi terrorist out fits may infiltrate and cause low level insurgency in urban north east india)
3) Aggressive chines naval attack, isolate Indian supply routs and aid from allies(?US)
Pak
1) Pakistan will not use nukes till its nuke threshold has passed. Just to thrust into North India it cannot and will no use nukes.
2) In an all out war, there will be no infiltration. There will be a major thrust from either side.
3) India has complete dominance of the sea. We will blockade Pakistan.

China
1) It cannot. Maintaining supply line is the biggest challenge. They stopped the 62 war because they were stretched.
2) They dont have the capacity to come to West Bengal. Indian Air Force is more stronger than Chinese though they have numbers.
3) We have their number in the Malaccas.
 

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1) Pakistan will not use nukes till its nuke threshold has passed. Just to thrust into North India it cannot and will no use nukes.
yeh pakistan will not use nukes for sure- But that goes out to india too - but snce engagment on one front it will be hard to keep upper hand over pakistan since we will loose the number supremacy.
2) In an all out war, there will be no infiltration. There will be a major thrust from either side.
why there will be no infiltration ???? i think that time will make sure - that terrorist organisation - will also prepare their next big attack - save ammunition and start a riot inside the country

3) India has complete dominance of the sea. We will blockade Pakistan.
yes india do have complete dominance of the sea - and we all know pakistan navy is not strong but - remeber - we will be keeping most of our strong resource on our west. so may be who knows.

China
1) It cannot. Maintaining supply line is the biggest challenge. They stopped the 62 war because they were stretched.
china in 62 was one of the most poppulated and poor country with lot of issues of their own to solve. this is super power china who world is afriad of.
and chinese do have a big strech heard of their ports around india. those ring of pearls? they do have a good relation with srilanka and bangladesh.
2) They dont have the capacity to come to West Bengal. Indian Air Force is more stronger than Chinese though they have numbers.
loooooool who told u that ? do u have some proof ? of that , till the last time heard we had no clue about chinese air force and most - defence analyst on television were singing chinese songs.

3) We have their number in the Malaccas.
please elebaorate.

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i am not saying indian forces are weak but never underestimate a enemy who you know is too strong for us to handle. although i hate this thread its war monger's place- because i dont see such end of world happening on current situation. but still ............:113:
 

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yeh pakistan will not use nukes for sure- But that goes out to india too - but snce engagment on one front it will be hard to keep upper hand over pakistan since we will loose the number supremacy.
Why will we lose our numbers supremacy?

why there will be no infiltration ???? i think that time will make sure - that terrorist organisation - will also prepare their next big attack - save ammunition and start a riot inside the country
We are talking of Pakistan attacking India while India is at war with China. So no time to start any riots in India.

yes india do have complete dominance of the sea - and we all know pakistan navy is not strong but - remeber - we will be keeping most of our strong resource on our west. so may be who knows.
You mean east? Because Pakistan is in the west. And if we have all our resources in the west, then they will not sail out from Karachi. But since we are talking in a distant future, we will have atleast 2 battle groups on either sea board.

China
1) It cannot. Maintaining supply line is the biggest challenge. They stopped the 62 war because they were stretched.
china in 62 was one of the most poppulated and poor country with lot of issues of their own to solve. this is super power china who world is afriad of.
and chinese do have a big strech heard of their ports around india. those ring of pearls? they do have a good relation with srilanka and bangladesh.
Even the US the sole super power is struggling to maintain supply lines against terrorists when they have complete domination in air and sea. They are even willing to talk with Iran to use that country and Indian made Chhabar port for their supplies to Astan. You can imagine how difficult it will be for the Chinese against a well oiled Indian force to maintain supply lines. Remember for once you will manage to fight with a hungry soldier, but not with hungry guns.

loooooool who told u that ? do u have some proof ? of that , till the last time heard we had no clue about chinese air force and most - defence analyst on television were singing chinese songs.

refer above regarding maintaining supplies.
please elebaorate.
Malaccas is the choke point for the Chinese. Their oil goes from here and their manufactured goods go from here. India can squeeze that. China will suffer.
 

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Regarding the String of Pearls,

It is a tool that China will use to maintain its oil supply. Since the IN or the USN can choke it at the malaccas, it has come up with these ports so that it can use non Chinese flagged vessels to ship oil. You cannot mount ships on high seas as its an act of war.
 

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